who is in charge of offers?

[medic269]

I guess this is geared towards the recruiters on here.  I did a search through the forums and couldnt find too much.  Im just wondering once you've been accepted and are awaiting you're offer, who is in charge of that aspect? I know the recruiting centre is playing the waiting game as much as I am, so I'm curious as to who I else, if anyone I can contact.  I was told I'd get my offer in a few days and that was 3 weeks ago.  I've called the CFRC and get the same response, (hence the waiting).  Is there anyone I can talk to who can get the ball rolling a little better?

 

[kincanucks]

I guess this is geared towards the recruiters on here.  I did a search through the forums and couldnt find too much.  Im just wondering once you've been accepted and are awaiting you're offer, who is in charge of that aspect? I know the recruiting centre is playing the waiting game as much as I am, so I'm curious as to who I else, if anyone I can contact.  I was told I'd get my offer in a few days and that was 3 weeks ago.  I've called the CFRC and get the same response, (hence the waiting).  Is there anyone I can talk to who can get the ball rolling a little better?

You will not talk to anyone besides the CFRC/D that is handling your file.  Offers are generated from CFRG HQ and they will be done when they get done but they will be done in time fr you to make proper arrangements.  You are not the only applicant waiting for an offer and any CFRC/D that tells an applicant that they will be getting an offer in a few days is blowing smoke up the applicant's ass.

 

[medic269]

...and any CFRC/D that tells an applicant that they will be getting an offer in a few days is blowing smoke up the applicant's ***.

Dandy, at least that's clear now.  Thanks for the help I appreciate it...

 

[Collin.t]

yeah been told the same, however I'm walking on a tight rope here, I've been on non-paid leave for months from my reserve unit, my file has been approved and recommended, and I've been waiting since march for my offer....

 

[bbob]

and yet they want to revamp tha RECRUITING process? how about working on retainment and keeping your current members happy?

 

[exsemjingo]

Yeah bbob!  For years the army has been... uh... has been...
What exactly has the CF done to drive off it's members?  Can you show us the reasoning behind your criticism?

 

[tannerthehammer]

Yeah bbob!  For years the army has been... uh... has been...
What exactly has the CF done to drive off it's members?  Can you show us the reasoning behind your criticism?

How about having admin from hell, that's a start...Everyone who is in knows that..

 

[aesop081]

How about having admin from hell, that's a start...Everyone who is in knows that..

.....and what would you be refering to ?

 

[tannerthehammer]

.....and what would you be refering to ?

The fact that files are constantly being lost, the fact that recruiting is/can be an extremely long and drawn out process when it could be done much more efficiently, the fact that things change by the minute such as courses and postings, shall I go on??

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

So offer solutions....

 

[Trinity]

The fact that files are constantly being lost, the fact that recruiting is/can be an extremely long and drawn out process when it could be done much more efficiently, the fact that things change by the minute such as courses and postings, shall I go on??

Yeah.. please do...

Because despite the downfalls in the system.. I know MANY RMS clerks who are hard working people
doing the best they can in the system that exists.

And by taking pot shots at the system you also insult those within the system. The same
hard working individuals.

My pers file was lost once for 2 months.  I've been over paid accidentally twice.  That's all in 13 years.
Seems the system is ok to me.  Expect a mistake here and there... but I'm sure a good portion of
the administrative MESS UPS are also the cause of the member submitting paper work late, not filling
it in properly, to think of a few things.

It's not just the system.  Garbage in.. garbage out.  If you are constantly having problems.. maybe
its not just the system.

 

[Meridian]

Just to take a civilian perspective on the RMS clerking thing....

I work as an SAP Business Analyst in the civvy world.  (Those of you in Logistics at the very least probably hate SAP by now ). 
I am an HR and Financials Specialist..  as a result, I deal a lot with HR folks and their core business processes; and the speed in which they tend to respond to anything.

Let me tell you, Civilian HR departments (including payroll) tend to be some of the most maligned out there.  Usually there are so many policies, legal requirements, reporting periods and internal/external deadlines to meet (and very few staff, relatively speaking) that even the most spirited HR associate gets a little wayward in their duties after time.

Many of them have to wait for documents from other people (employees, other departments, management, external recruiters or payroill firms,  software/IT problems, etc). And much as they want to care for every case that comes up, it can be frustrating after awhile to show empathy to those you are serving when you yourself have already taken the problems of the system so personally that you yourself feel wronged by it all.

Now, in general, I've always been a bit of a go-getter, so personally I tend to get really annoyed with bureaucracy just for the sake of bureaucracy. A file sitting on one desk extra specially long and the like.  But thats life.  You'll get it in the civvy world just like you'll get it in the military.

 

[tannerthehammer]

So offer solutions....

Completely remove Clerks from the army and get an outside civy contracted company to do all Admin for the army...I work for a large corporation and the admin is nothing short of outstanding...If any large corporation had the same admin as the army does, they would be out of business quick...

Personally I think the state of admin in the military is a disgrace...I don't know if it is the fault of the people that do the job or the fault of the people who establish policy because I don't know the dynamix of it but what I do know is what I see...What I see is a trade in a great deal of disorganization and confusion...Chances are it probably isn't the fault of the people who do the job but the way the system is set up...

Funny thing is if we hired an outside company who specialized in admin we would probably save money in the long run and it would be run more efficiently because you would have people that are specialized in this field rather than keep as system of admin that has clearly failed in my opinion...

 

[tannerthehammer]

And by taking pot shots at the system you also insult those within the system. The same
hard working individuals.

This is not true at all...Taking shots at the system is not the same as taking shots at the individuals who do the job because if that were the case then that would mean that it is the fault of the individuals as to why the system does not work well at all...That is not what I am trying to say at all...

I'm saying the system sucks and clearly the army is incapable of maintaining a good system of admin so lets contract it out and alter the clerk trade so they can do other jobs so we don't lose some good personnel...

 

[aesop081]

Completely remove Clerks from the army and get an outside civy contracted company to do all Admin for the army...I work for a large corporation and the admin is nothing short of outstanding...If any large corporation had the same admin as the army does, they would be out of business quick...

Personally I think the state of admin in the military is a disgrace...I don't know if it is the fault of the people that do the job or the fault of the people who establish policy because I don't know the dynamix of it but what I do know is what I see...What I see is a trade in a great deal of disorganization and confusion...Chances are it probably isn't the fault of the people who do the job but the way the system is set up...

Funny thing is if we hired an outside company who specialized in admin we would probably save money in the long run and it would be run more efficiently because you would have people that are specialized in this field rather than keep as system of admin that has clearly failed in my opinion...

Funny how civvy clerks wouldnt do camp security when deployed, or serve on warships.........you know, soldier stuff

btw...its spelled "dynamics"

 

[Collin.t]

Actually I think that is a very bad idea, well first of all here's a civvie example, I work for First Canadian Title and we are rated among one of the best company across the country on many perspective, our bigger brother company is First American Title and part of the fortune 500. That being said we could really use some military admin experience and models, our communications are chaotic, documents are constantly lost, banks creating unecessary delays etc etc. Fortunatly we deal with money so in a way I guess it helps.

In fact I think that admin in the military should rely less on civvy pers and tools, such has computer software and such. Linux, and open standards for document formats should be the way to go, and canadian forces's propriatery (sp?) design for human ressource management should be encourage IMO

 

[tannerthehammer]

btw...its spelled "dynamics"

Thank you spelling police  :