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SYR Refugees to Canada (split fm SYR refugees thread)

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Using the UNHCR's statement, Canada with 10,000 plus another 25,000, will stand to take 22.5% of all pledged Syrian refugees. If we stuck with 10,000, we'd be at 6.5%, which is still double what the numbers would be if everyone took an equal number of 5168.

I somehow still feel there will be cries that Canada's not doing enough. Maybe we can cram a few more in the Weatherhavens at Meaford in January.
 
PuckChaser said:
Using the UNHCR's statement, Canada with 10,000 plus another 25,000, will stand to take 22.5% of all pledged Syrian refugees. If we stuck with 10,000, we'd be at 6.5%, which is still double what the numbers would be if everyone took an equal number of 5168.

I somehow still feel there will be cries that Canada's not doing enough. Maybe we can cram a few more in the Weatherhavens at Meaford in January.
Hey, even the World Socialists complain about Mulcair/NDP not being socialist enough, so SOMEONE's gonna be unhappy, right?
 
A bit more "target realignment" on Canada's commitment to taking 25,000 refugees -- here's the promise from the platform ....
.... we will expand Canada’s intake of refugees from Syria by 25,000 through immediate government sponsorship ....
.... and what was said ....
.... The Liberals would accept 25,000 by Jan. 1, 2016 ....
... compared to what the Immigration Minister's mandate letter says - highlights mine:
.... Lead government-wide efforts to resettle 25,000 refugees from Syria in the coming months ....
 
Given the events in Paris tonight, perhaps a pause is in order before we start importing all these people. The idea of bringing them over without any prior screening at the point of departure or country of origin is sheer madness (what happens when they are already here and you can't identify them because the records are destroyed or corrupt, or you do identify a terrorist suspect? No one in the new government has apparently thought this through).

Step back, make a real plan, and then we can execute.
 
If anything we should speed up their arrival.

Placing them in military bases is a great idea.  All the fences,  locked buildings and and armed guards make it very secure.
 
Jarnhamar said:
If anything we should speed up their arrival.

Placing them in military bases is a great idea.  All the fences,  locked buildings and and armed guards make it very secure.
Yep, just what we need, Boer War style concentration camps or WWII Japanese detention camps.
:sarcasm:
 
tomahawk6 said:
How about not taking any of these so called refugee's ?

Political suicide - it was one of the Liberal Government's top campaign priorities. 
 
tomahawk6 said:
How about not taking any of these so called refugee's ?
How about sticking to Christians and Yezidis - you know, folks from Syria getting butchered by ISIS because they're infidels.  I'm sure the Iranians can help the Shia and Alawites much better than we can.
 
cavalryman said:
How about sticking to Christians and Yezidis - you know, folks from Syria getting butchered by ISIS because they're infidels.  I'm sure the Iranians can help the Shia and Alawites much better than we can.

I don't think only the Yezidis and the Christians are considered infidels... anyone that does not share their beliefs is considered an infidel.
 
Alpha dog said:
I don't think only the Yezidis and the Christians are considered infidels... anyone that does not share their beliefs is considered an infidel.

Yes, including the other sects of Islam. 
 
cavalryman said:
How about sticking to Christians and Yezidis - you know, folks from Syria getting butchered by ISIS because they're infidels.  I'm sure the Iranians can help the Shia and Alawites much better than we can.

That is a good compationate compromise in my mind.
 

1,000 Syrian refugees to be flown daily to Canada


Posted by: CIJnews Editor November 13, 2015

Trudeau’s Liberal government reviewed on Thursday, November 12, the plan which is still undergoing development, to resettle 25,000 Syrian refugees in Canada till the end of the year.

Based on the government and media reports, the plan seems to contain the following components:

Identification – All refugees will be identified on site before arriving in Canada. 10,000 refugees have already applied to Canada.

Health checks will be conducted in the refugee-hosting countries. The government intends to restore the Interim Federal Health Program that provides limited and temporary health benefits to refugees and refugee claimants.

Security screening – Initial security checks will be conducted at phase one and completed after the refugees are already settled in Canada. Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale affirmed that some security screening will be conducted on Canadian soil. “My officials are satisfied that, to the extent that there are security issues, that they can be properly managed within the frame that the government is considering, and that Canada can fulfil the objective of receiving and settling 25,000 refugees in an expeditious way,” Goodale said.

Transportation – Three daily flights out of Amman, Jordan will bring every day 1,000 Syrian refugees to Toronto, Montreal, Edmonton and the military base in Trenton, Ont. Air Canada offered its help in airlifting the Syrian refugees.

Sponsorship – The 25,000 Syrian refugees will be admitted through immediate government sponsorship and more refugees to be brought to Canada by private sponsors.

Integration – The refugees will stay 3 months in “Interim Lodging Sites” as part of the “community integration” process. 6,000 of them are expected to resettle in Quebec.


Source BBC:
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34131911
Where do the migrants come from?

The conflict in Syria continues to be by far the biggest driver of the migration. But the ongoing violence in Afghanistan, abuses in Eritrea, as well as poverty in Kosovo are also leading people to look for new lives elsewhere.
European Union has posted its latest statistics:

85,000 Afghanistan
62,000 Kosovo
55,000 Iraq
52,000 Albania
30,000 Pakistan
20,000 Eritrea
18,000 Nigeria
15,000 Serbia
14,000 Ukraine
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350,000 + "refugees" are NON-Syrian = < 66%
[size=24pt]178,000 "refugees" alleged to be Syrian = < 34%[/size]

However, over half the "Syrian refugees" claiming to be Syrian have destroyed their passports and ID,
and refuse to be fingerprinted.

It is believed that the number of actual Syrians may only be about 15 % of the total number
of "refugee" claimants.

A significant majority of migrant "refugees" appear to be middle-class workers and familes from
a large number of non-European and non-Nato countries, including Turkey.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34377798

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34173252

Many may already be settled immigrants and "refugees" that have already received
asylum in countries that they perceive has having less economic opportunities,
or slimmer handout packages or welfare systems, such as Turkey and Eastern Europe.

http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/144FA/production/_86549138_eu_asylum_application_origi.png

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Now the Kicker:

New survey: 13% of Syrian refugees in Europe support ISIS

Posted by: Ilana Shneider November 11, 2015

As the new Liberal government scrambles to fulfill its election promise of bringing 25,000 Syrian refugees to Canada by December 31 (or roughly 6,000 refugees a week), the first-of-its-kind survey of Syrian refugees entering Europe found that 13% support the Islamic State (ISIS).

In the largest public opinion poll ever conducted in the Arab region by the Doha-based Arab Center for Research and Policy Studies which included a sample made up of 600 respondents from Tunisia, Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon and Iraq as well as 900 Syrian refugees, the poll revealed that 22% of Syrian refugees viewed Israel as the greatest threat to the security and stability of the Arab region, while only 10% of Syrian refugees viewed Islamic militancy as the greatest threat.

Additionally, 10% of Syrian refugees named the United States to be one of the two biggest beneficiaries of the military campaign against ISIS, while 27% named Israel as one of the two parties who stood to gain the most.

15% of Syrian refugees did not regard ISIS as a direct threat to the security of their home country, and 10% and 16% cited declaration of the Islamic Caliphate and commitment to Islamic principles as the main cause of ISIS strength and support, respectively.

66% of Syrian refugees believe that ISIS was created by foreign actors and 31% of Syrians said they oppose or strongly oppose the military airstrikes against ISIS by the US-led international coalition.

Finally, the survey also found that 13% of the displaced Syrian refugees have a positive or somewhat positive view of the terror group.

The poll should raise alarms about the potential of 13% of incoming refugees either already supporting ISIS or being susceptible to ISIS recruitment. However, to date the Liberals have not provided any details about what, if any, screening mechanisms have been put in place in order to identify potential security risks by bringing 25,000 Syrian refugees to Canada in a span of less than 2 months, in spite of serious concerns voiced by immigration lawyers and security experts.

Toronto-based Immigration lawyer Guidy Mamann warned that accepting 25,000 refugees and landing them in Canada before December 31 is a “very, very tall order”. According to Mamann, who has been practicing immigration law for close to 30 years, “something is going to have to be missed in order to do what Prime Minister-designate Justin Trudeau said he is going to do.”

In an interview with Radio Canada International (October 29, 2015), Kyle Matthews of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute said that Trudeau’s promise is going to be very difficult to meet, particularly when it comes to security screening. “The sad reality is that, yes all refugees are civilian, but there could be a few bad apples among the refugee population. So they’re going to have to check everyone’s background and that’s not a process that you could simply enter into a Google search and get the answer”.

Also on October 29, CIJnews reported that Syrian intelligence database seized by the rebel forces clearly demonstrated the severity of the risk embodied in admitting thousands of refugees without proper security checks. One of the databases, obtained by CIJnews, contained detailed information on around 130,000 Syrians, of whom thousands are described as “armed militants” and many others as operatives in rebel groups, including the radical Islamist organizations or involved in violent activities. Names and pictures of alleged Syrian war criminals, taken in Syria as well as several western countries where those alleged criminals found refuge, were posted in a Facebook group called “Criminals, Not Refugees”.



quick calculation gives:

1000 per day brought in by Trudeau
15% support ISIS =
about 150 Syrian terrorists / supporters will be imported into Canada DAILY by Trudeau and the Liberal sellouts.


 
The post by "Citizen who supports the CF" is the leading edge of a wave of Canadian public sentiment (and reading some social media and newspapers like the Winnipeg Free Press shows this is a pretty broad and deep wave) that isn't too far behind that of Europe. Events in Paris are certainly not going to make Canadians, Americans or Europeans more accommodating or understanding, and the political elites who dismiss or close their eyes to this public sentiment are being naïve at best and willfully ignorant or arrogant at worst.

And every follow up attack the Jihadis manage to make will only inflame public sentiment against humanitarianism even further, and it won't take too long before things become very ugly in Europe, and I suspect that here in North America people won't be too far behind.
 
citizen who supports CAF said:
Source BBC:
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Now the Kicker:
Here's the links providing the information in question, in case one wants to peruse and analyze them ....
As for the stat shown, I've attached a chart from the study in question, showing the response to "In general, do you have a positive or negative view of ISIL?".  I found nothing there about the ISIS supporters being "terrorists" (which IS something I agree has to be tracked/monitored/screened before refugees come here).

I'll bring another stat into perspective:
milnews.ca said:
So now we  have a range of between one out of 102K and one out of 8 - discuss  ;D

Thucydides said:
The post by "Citizen who supports the CF" is the leading edge of a wave of Canadian public sentiment (and reading some social media and newspapers like the Winnipeg Free Press shows this is a pretty broad and deep wave) that isn't too far behind that of Europe .... it won't take too long before things become very ugly in Europe, and I suspect that here in North America people won't be too far behind.
Until I see more evidence of this, I'm going to continue to be more optimistic about not seeing Canadians burning down military barracks/refugee centres.  I'm also in this camp:
PPCLI Guy said:
We have radicals here (in the West) now.  They are either home-grown or plants - likely the former, as the latter requires a degree of sophistication so far lacking in ISIL tactics - it is so much easier to turn someone in place, than to train and dispatch them.  Either way, we have mechanisms and institutions charged with protecting us from that threat.  So far, they have done a bloody good job.

I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt as well.
 
milnews.ca said:
Until I see more evidence of this, I'm going to continue to be more optimistic about not seeing Canadians burning down military barracks/refugee centres.  I'm also in this camp:

Edward posted an article in the Globe and Mail in a different thread which says exactly that:

Re: Canada's New, Liberal, Foreign Policy

« Reply #18 on: Today at 20:48:38 »

In this column, which is reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions of the Copyright Act from the Globe and Mail, Lawrence Martin, no friend to Prime Minister Stephen Harper or the Conservatives, suggests that Prime Minister Justin Trudeau may need to abandon or, at least, modify some of the polices on which he campaigned and move closer to the Harper/Conservative foreign policy:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/after-paris-attacks-trudeaus-soft-power-already-under-fire/article27264347/?click=sf_globefb


After Paris attacks, Trudeau’s soft power already under fire

LAWRENCE MARTIN
Special to The Globe and Mail

Published Saturday, Nov. 14, 2015

The credibility of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s foreign policy has taken a serious hit just as he embarks on his first foray to world capitals.

The Paris terror attacks are seen by many as testament to the need for hard power when dealing with the Islamic State – this while the new Canadian Prime Minister has been preaching, and was elected on, a soft power Liberal line.

Mr. Trudeau has pledged to withdraw Canada’s fighter jets from the U.S.-led mission against the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria. His plan instead is to increase humanitarian aid as well the number of Canadian soldiers training local forces like the Kurdish Peshmerga.

Former prime minister Stephen Harper frequently mocked this approach, saying at one campaign stop that “if your policy is humanitarian assistance without military support, all you’re doing is dropping aid on dead people.”

With 129 dead in Paris as a result of one of the worst terror outbreaks in decades, the pressure on Mr. Trudeau to change his position will now be enormous.

Canada’s contribution to the air strike campaign is a small one that does not put our military personnel in grave danger. It was hardly a big ask from the Conservatives to have the opposition parties come on board, but neither Liberals nor the NDP did so.

The Paris attacks also serve to put in question the Liberal government’s plan to quickly bring in 25,000 Syrian refugees. The Conservatives did not wish to go near that number in the short term, citing security concerns. Those concerns have just been dramatically heightened and if the Liberals push ahead with their plan, they are going to have a much harder time convincing the public that it is wise to move so quickly.

From the tone of comments posted on online news articles, public opinion is running strongly against the dovish Liberal plans. “Canada stands with the French people and is now in the process of gathering up all of our unicorns, rainbows and hugs to send to the French people,” said one poster. “Just don’t expect us to do anything, you know, like whip out our F18s or fight for our freedom.” Another wrote: “Good to know the Trudeau government and unmuzzled scientists and first ministers will be heading to Paris at the end of the month to talk about climate change, sunshine and butterflies.”

There were many calls for Mr. Harper, who may well be feeling a sense of vindication over what has happened, to return to the job.

An argument for Mr. Trudeau sticking to his pledges is that is that by a larger engagement against IS Canada becomes a higher priority target for its terror. The motive cited by one of the Paris terrorists was retaliation for the French government’s actions against Muslims. There is also the legacy of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. Neither are favourably viewed by Canadians.

Mr. Trudeau’s position is particularly sensitive because he is a newcomer on the world stage. In the campaign there were questions about whether he had the foreign policy chops. He put some of those fears to rest with his performance at the Munk debate on foreign policy.

The Paris attacks took place on the very day the Trudeau government publicized its mandate letters for newly appointed cabinet members. For Defence Minister Harjit Sajjan there was little in the way of specifics, but the letter spelled out one top top priority – end Canada’s combat mission in Iraq and Syria. Conservatives were quick to call for a debate and a vote in Parliament on the issue. That was hours before the Paris attacks.

A top adviser to Mr. Trudeau says his position on the airstrikes and the refugees will not change in view of the Paris bloodbath. But as the pressures ramp up, as they surely will, the new prime minister might indeed alter course. He won’t want to be seen as a flip-flopper. But when circumstances change, leaders of statesmanlike quality need to show a readiness to change with them. With the terror from Islamic State escalating, and with France promising to expand the war against the terror network, circumstances have indeed changed.

I most certainly do not advocate for the burning of refugee centers, nor welcome this as a response to the government's plans. I am, however, being realistic based on human nature and history. People are opposed to this plan, and if the "elites" arrogantly ignore public sentiment or exhibit willful blindness by virtue signalling without any real, concrete plan they communicate to the public (which answers public concerns), then some people will start crossing lines. We have already seen this process in Europe, so why should we, of all people, believe that this sentiment won't take root here if the soil is prepared? Many of us saw the results of "us vs them" thinking in Bosnia and former Yugoslavia, and most of us are aware of the ever increasing popularity of Nativist political parties in Europe. We should all remember the rhetoric and actions of the PQ/BQ; our own, home grown nativist political movement.

So while we should all hope for the best, experience should tell us to be prepared for the worst.
 
This seems too ignorant not to be a hoax.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/11/13/watch-migrants-dislike-food-demand-tvs-threaten-go-back-syria/

In a performance of ingratitude so staggering it should almost be satire, a group of newly arrived migrants in the Netherlands have declared their accommodation so poor they want to go back to Syria.

Clearly used to appearing in front of a television camera, a glamorous, well-coiffured and made up Syrian migrant launches into a tirade against the generosity of Western European states. Gesturing to the modern accommodation building behind her, the clearly middle-class Syrian complains in perfect English: “This is not a life when you get inside to a room without a TV. Just a bed, there is no fridge, no lockers, no privacy”.

Telling the television crew why the group of 15 had walked out on their free accommodation and food, the woman said: “we’re going to stay outside because we don’t want to eat this food, and we don’t want to stay in the room. We’re running away from our country because of the situation, and now we live in a jail.


 
I would tell them what I would tell a guest in my house if they complained my home is not...lavish enough for them;  the door locks people out, not in.
 
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