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SYR Refugees to Canada (split fm SYR refugees thread)

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Humphrey Bogart said:
The deal would need to be sweetened of course, perhaps every community handling the refugees would receive a large pot of Federal money, part of which would go towards the refugees and the rest could be used for other projects needed in the community it self.  They would basically receive a subsidy in exchange for looking after the influx of refugees.  Teams of experts could also be surged in to these communities to provide a variety of social services.
First step:  "reaching out" to provinces & large municipalities, which is what Minister McCallum is telling reporters he's going to be doing (according to Twitter posts from a news conference now under way).

As for housing refugees in military facilities?  Still a maybe, according to various reporters:

More from Info-machine Red here:
The Honourable John McCallum, Minister of Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship, today announced the creation of a new Cabinet ad hoc committee to help bring Syrian refugees to Canada.

An Ad Hoc Committee on Refugees will be a driving force in delivering on the government’s commitment to bring 25,000 Syrian refugees to Canada by the end of 2015.

The ad hoc committee will include the following members:

    The Honourable Jane Philpott, Minister of Health, Chair;
    The Honourable Mélanie Joly, Minister of Canadian Heritage, Vice-Chair;
    The Honourable Ralph Goodale, Minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness;
    The Honourable Stéphane Dion, Minister of Foreign Affairs;
    The Honourable John McCallum, Minister of Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship;
    The Honourable Scott Brison, President of the Treasury Board;
    The Honourable Marie-Claude Bibeau, Minister of International Development and La Francophonie ;
    The Honourable Harjit Singh Sajjan, Minister of National Defence; and
    The Honourable Maryam Monsef, Minister of Democratic Institutions.

The ad hoc committee will hold its first meeting on November 10, 2015.

The Government of Canada has made the following commitments related to refugees:

    expand Canada’s intake of refugees from Syria by 25,000 through immediate government sponsorship, and also work with private sponsors to accept even more;
    fully restore the Interim Federal Health Program that provides limited and temporary health benefits to refugees and refugee claimants;
    invest at least an additional $100 million this fiscal year to increase – without reducing standards – refugee processing as well as sponsorship and settlement services capacity in Canada; and,
    provide an immediate, new $100 million contribution to the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) to support the critical relief activities in Syria and the surrounding area. ....
 
And the calls for calm/tolerance begin - this from the 2 Div Info-machine, via 45enord.ca after reports that Valcartier may be host to some refugees - Google translation below ....
Message à l’intention de tous les membres de la 2e Division du Canada et de la Force opérationnelle interarmées (Est)
Brigadier-général Stéphane Lafaut

Commandant, 2e Division du Canada/Force opérationnelle interarmées (Est)

Comme vous le savez au cours des derniers jours, plusieurs articles de journaux et médias ont fait état de la possibilité que les bases militaires du pays soient mises à contribution pour supporter l’accueil gouvernemental de réfugiés au pays. Ces informations ont déjà suscité beaucoup de questionnement de la part de militaires ou de leur famille. Malgré tout, je sais que l’équipe de la défense demeure professionnelle et toujours prête à aider, à servir et je vous en remercie. Malheureusement, j’ai aussi été témoin de commentaires offensants dans les médias sociaux d’une minorité qui étaient non seulement contre l’utilisation de nos installations militaires, mais qui poussaient aussi l’audace à critiquer ouvertement l’arrivée de familles migrantes, alors que leurs pays sont ravagés par des guerres qui n’en finissent plus. À l’instar de plusieurs militaires, je dois vous avouer que j’ai été personnellement attristé et offensé par certaines des idées véhiculées qui ne font pas honneur à l’uniforme que nous portons si fièrement et les idéaux pour lesquels nous nous sommes déployés et parfois battus sur plusieurs continents.

J’aimerais rappeler à tous les membres des Forces armées canadiennes, à nos employés civils, ainsi qu’à toutes nos familles qui fréquentent ou vivent sur nos installations militaires, que l’emploi de nos ressources en vue de l’accueil potentiel de réfugiés au Canada n’est encore qu’une possibilité. Plusieurs autres moyens sont aussi explorés par notre gouvernement et les organisations non gouvernementales. Si jamais notre contribution était demandée par le Gouvernement, nous répondrions fièrement à l’appel et ce soutien serait fait dans le plus grand respect des familles qui vivent sur nos installations militaires. Soyez donc assurés que de l’information pertinente serait alors fournie.

À l’aube des célébrations du Jour du Souvenir, j’aimerais aussi rappeler à tous que nous, militaires et employés civils, avons participé activement à plusieurs conflits armés et opérations de toutes sortes dont le but premier était de démontrer non seulement l’engagement de notre pays, mais aussi de défendre et exporter, dans des zones dévastées, les valeurs démocratiques qui nous sont si chères. Des valeurs telles que la tolérance, le respect et la compassion envers autrui, peu importe les croyances et l’ethnicité des populations aidées. J’ai personnellement connu des militaires, dont des amis, qui sont malheureusement décédés en entrainement pré-déploiement ou en mission et aussi des gens qui souffrent toujours de blessures de toute nature. J’aimerais encore pouvoir dire à leur famille, que leurs êtres chers n’ont pas juste mené des opérations de combat, entrainé des forces de sécurité étrangères ou bien construit des écoles, mais qu’ils ont servi leur pays parce qu’ils croyaient et défendaient avant tout les idéaux qui ont permis de bâtir nos communautés. Ces mêmes valeurs qui nous permettent aujourd’hui d’évoluer dans une société ou la tolérance et la liberté d’expression se côtoient dans le plus grand des respects.

Je vous remercie encore de votre compréhension et surtout de votre soutien indéfectible envers nos missions, quelles qu’elles soient.
Google English:
Message to all members of the 2nd Canadian Division and Joint Task Force (East)
Brigadier General Stéphane Lafaut
Commander, 2nd Canadian Division / Joint Task Force (East)

As you know in recent days, several newspapers and media articles have reported the possibility of the military bases in the country are put to use to support the government's reception of refugees in the country. The information has already generated a lot of questioning on the part of military or their families. Still, I know that the defense team remained professional and always ready to help, to serve, and I thank you. Unfortunately, I have also witnessed offensive comments in social media of a minority that were not only against the use of our military installations, but also pushed the audacity to openly criticize the arrival of migrant families, while that their countries are ravaged by wars that never end. Like many soldiers, I must admit that I was personally saddened and offended by some of the ideas conveyed that do not honor the uniform we wear so proudly and ideals for which we deployed and sometimes beaten on several continents.

I would remind all members of the Canadian Forces, our civilian employees, our families and all who visit or live on our military installations, the use of our resources to welcome potential refugees Canada is still a possibility. Several other methods are also explored by our government and nongovernmental organizations. If ever our contribution was requested by the Government, we proudly would respond to the call and what support would be done with the utmost respect for the families that live on our military installations. Rest assured that relevant information would be provided.

On the eve of Remembrance Day celebrations, I would also remind everyone that we, military and civilian personnel have actively participated in several armed conflicts and operations of all kinds, the primary aim was to demonstrate not only the commitment of our country, but also to defend and export in the devastated areas, democratic values ​​we hold so dear. Values ​​such as tolerance, respect and compassion for others, regardless of creed and ethnicity of the assisted populations. I have personally experienced soldiers, including friends, who unfortunately died in pre-deployment training or mission and also people who always suffer injuries of any kind. I would still be able to tell their families that their loved ones have not only conducted combat operations, trained foreign security forces or built schools, but they have served their country because they believed and above all defended the ideals that have helped build our communities. Those same values ​​that allow us to evolve in a society where tolerance and freedom of expression coexist in the highest respect.

Thank you again for your understanding and your continued support especially towards our mission, whatever they are.
 
milnews.ca said:
Meanwhile, here, an consultant's vote for Kapyong as a temporary home ....

I suggested as much when the topic was brought up in more local news groups.  General consensus is the City needs to focus on their homeless and the poverty issues before this occurs.  Yes, the First nations and ownership will also be a concern moving forward but this is a temporary thing which no one seems to understand. No one is going to start demo'ing and rebuilding tomorrow or in December either. 

Of course there is a rather affluent area right there....NIMBY is rampant!
 
Not everybody supports this move.  I've read thru some news articles and comments from (assumingly) average Canadians.  Many voice concerns and point towards the chaos in Europe and ask what is going to be done by the government to ensure this does NOT happen in Canada.

 
milnews.ca said:
First step:  "reaching out" to provinces & large municipalities, which is what Minister McCallum is telling reporters he's going to be doing (according to Twitter posts from a news conference now under way).

As for housing refugees in military facilities?  Still a maybe, according to various reporters:

More from Info-machine Red here:
Next step:  name someone at PCO as the refugee lead ....
Malcolm Brown, currently Deputy Minister for International Development, becomes Special Advisor to the Clerk of the Privy Council on the Syrian Refugee Initiative. - See more at: http://www.pm.gc.ca/eng/news/2015/11/09/pm-announces-change-senior-ranks-public-service#sthash.IlWVNh4n.dpuf
More on Brown here.
Eye In The Sky said:
I've read thru some news articles and comments from (assumingly) average Canadians.  Many voice concerns and point towards the chaos in Europe and ask what is going to be done by the government to ensure this does NOT happen in Canada.
While comments sometimes have to be taken with a grain of salt, that's still a reasonable question to ask - wonder how long it'll take to get asked?
 
milnews.ca said:
While comments sometimes have to be taken with a grain of salt, that's still a reasonable question to ask - wonder how long it'll take to get asked?

I tend to ignore the comments that sound like they come from the "Happy Birthday, Uncle Dad!" crowd; some of the comments from posters were quite reasonable and mature.  There are some who are 'all in', some who are 'why are we doing this?!?!?' and some "I see the need for this; are we doing it in a way that won't be a detriment to our country, neighborhoods and citizens?".

Agreed that the last question is a reasonable one, and one that should be addressed and communicated.  :2c:
 
Eye In The Sky said:
I tend to ignore the comments that sound like they come from the "Happy Birthday, Uncle Dad!" crowd; some of the comments from posters were quite reasonable and mature.  There are some who are 'all in', some who are 'why are we doing this?!?!?' and some "I see the need for this; are we doing it in a way that won't be a detriment to our country, neighborhoods and citizens?".

Agreed that the last question is a reasonable one, and one that should be addressed and communicated.  :2c:

That is the real issue. The new government suddenly saying we will take in a huge influx of refugees without any sort of plan (scrambling to determine where and when they will be screened, scrambling to find places for them, no apparent discussion of the long term plan or reprecussions of this) smacks of "virtue signalling", and as the virtue signalling in Europe shows, not having a plan leads to trouble.

Will Canadians torch old military bases to prevent them from being used? Highly unlikely for now, but as time passes and problems arise due to lack of planning (or questions are not being answered becasue there are no answers available), then the sorts of forces that drive the nativists in Europe will find grounds to grow and prosper here. I would be all for a considered pause and some proper long term planning over virtue signalling and rushing to do a half assed job with the refugees.
 
Thucydides said:
Will Canadians torch old military bases to prevent them from being used? Highly unlikely for now, but as time passes and problems arise due to lack of planning (or questions are not being answered becasue there are no answers available), then the sorts of forces that drive the nativists in Europe will find grounds to grow and prosper here.
I'm going to have a bit more faith in Canadians (not to mention those guarding said bases) than that for now.

Meanwhile, one caught so far (out of ~102,000 this year landing in Italy & Greece), but more than zero ....
Italian police caught a Tunisian member of an Islamic terrorist group among a group of boat migrants rescued last month, and promptly repatriated him, the La Repubblica newspaper reported Sunday.

Bar Nasr Mehdi, 38, was said to have been picked up from the Mediterranean on October 4 by a navy rescue team along with more than 200 people, and taken to the Italian outpost island of Lampedusa.

After fingerprinting, authorities discovered he had given a false name and was the man who had been arrested in Italy in 2008, convicted to seven years‘ imprisonment for terrorism, expelled and banned from returning after serving his time ....
 
Eye In The Sky said:
Not everybody supports this move.

Nope.  I'll leave my family and risk my life to deploy to Syria or Iraq and help Syrians fight ISIS and get their home back. 
I don't support taking marginally screened refugees and dropping them into my town, or country. The security risk is too much. 

I suspect the security teams designated to watch them won't even be armed for fear of headlines. 

It was a stupid number of refugees to promise to take into Canada and the government will go ahead with it because they don't want to lose face.
 
Jarnhamar said:
Nope.  I'll leave my family and risk my life to deploy to Syria or Iraq and help Syrians fight ISIS and get their home back. 
I don't support taking marginally screened refugees and dropping them into my town, or country. The security risk is too much. 

I suspect the security teams designated to watch them won't even be armed for fear of headlines. 

It was a stupid number of refugees to promise to take into Canada and the government will go ahead with it because they don't want to lose face.

In my opinion that is by far the majority of any informed military members opinion. I could be wrong though.

I suppose just like in World War I we kept putting troops 'over the top' and damn the consequences our newby Government priority will be to save face and do the obviously very stupid and dangerous thing.  Here Jeeves, hold my champagne and watch this.
 
milnews.ca said:
While comments sometimes have to be taken with a grain of salt, that's still a reasonable question to ask - wonder how long it'll take to get asked?

And how long will it take for the person asking it to be branded a racist and an Islamophobe? End of debate.

Unfortunately, a lot of the animosity and hard feelings that result from that will spill over onto the refugees themselves, regardless of whether they've done anything to deserve it -instead of being directed at the people doing the branding (cough CBC cough).
 
Quote from: Thucydides on Today at 16:59:43
Will Canadians torch old military bases to prevent them from being used? Highly unlikely for now, but as time passes and problems arise due to lack of planning (or questions are not being answered becasue there are no answers available), then the sorts of forces that drive the nativists in Europe will find grounds to grow and prosper here.

I'm going to have a bit more faith in Canadians (not to mention those guarding said bases) than that for now.

As a student of history, I have faith that people are motivated by the same things that were identified by the first Thucydides as he was writing the "The History of the Peloponnesian War": kleos, doxa and timē, and sadly, people who feel slighted in these things will begin to seek out ways to regain them, even to the point of conflict (indeed this is sometimes seen as the source of conflict). On a less rhetorical plane, we can also see that the unrestricted immigration of Europe since the 1980's has led to the rise of Nativist "National Socialist" parties and their increasing electoral success, which current events has only boosted. One mustn't forget the PQ was also a National Socialist party, and Parizeau's "Money and the ethnic vote" shows where their heads were at the time.

So while I hope as you do, I am also aware that the new government is not exactly setting the conditions for success with this display of virtue signalling.
 
Article Link

Canadian military can already house 12K Syrian refugees

The Canadian military is already prepared to house 12,000 Syrian refugees -- nearly half of the 25,000 that the Liberal government has promised to bring to the country -- by the end of the year, CTV News has learned.

Chief of the Defence Staff Gen. Jon Vance ordered a review weeks ago so that the military could hit the ground running in case the government asked for his support.

Refugees could be housed in cadet summer camps and military training bases.

"We've got the whole network of bases across Canada -- probably, though I’m just guessing at this stage of the game -- it could probably come back to (Canadian Forces Base) Trenton, where they could be processed and distributed out," said retired Major General David Fraser.

Earlier on Monday, Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Minister John McCallum announced that a cabinet sub-committee has been tasked with bringing the Liberals’ goal to fruition.

The chair of the sub-committee will be Health Minister Jane Philpott. Other members include Heritage Minister Melanie Joly, Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale, Foreign Affairs Minister Stephane Dion and Democratic Institutions Minister Maryam Monsef.

McCallum said each sub-committee member has a portfolio that touches on the refugee issue. He singled out Philpott, who has worked with refugees in Africa, and Monsef, who was herself a refugee from Afghanistan.

McCallum said the Liberal government is still committed to bringing the refugees in by the end of the year, but wants to do it “correctly.”

In a statement, NDP MP Jenny Kwan said her party "supports" the Liberals’ goal, but believes that McCallum's announcement was "short on details."

"We believe Canadians were looking for a concrete plan for getting vulnerable refugees out of harm's way, not hearing about new cabinet subcommittees," she said.

"This is the new government's first test on delivering the change they promised to Canadians. We hope that the next announcement on how they will achieve this goal is coming very soon."

McCallum said that Ottawa is relying on support from provinces, territories and municipalities, as well as groups and individuals who want to support refugees to accomplish its goal.

“As long as we do the job right, that is to say with speed but also with due attention to important considerations of health and security,” he said.

He acknowledged “time is limited” for the government to meet its goal, but said he will have a more detailed announcement “soon.”

In an appearance on CTV's Power Play on Monday, immigration lawyer Jennifer Bond said she believes the refugee target can be achieved and that so far the Liberals have taken the right steps forward.

"I think we should feel confident that a lot of senior people have been put on this portfolio, today's subcommittee is filled with people who have both good portfolios to be at the table but also a lot of good individual personal experiences," she said.

"We need to move quickly and I'm very hopeful that today's announcement is not a stall tactic, but actually a real commitment to actually work together to make this happen."

Bond added that refugees are "dying every single day and the increasing numbers of people are dying as conditions worsen overseas."

"As Canadians we can't only cry over the children that have died but we really have to do what we can do to help those that are still at risk, and I think that's where we’re heading," said Bond, who is also behind the University of Ottawa's Refugee Sponsorship Support Program.

Former Canadian ambassador to Syria Glenn Davidson, who also appeared on Power Play, agreed with Bond's assessment, saying that there's "no question (Canada) can handle" 25,000 refugees.

"I think that the steps that the government is taking -- that minister McCallum announced today -- are exactly right," he said.

"Put the focus of this new team firmly on this, put the resources behind it and move aggressively to make it happen."

When asked how the refugees will travel to Canada, McCallum said that “every option is on the table.”

He said involving the Royal Canadian Air Force, commercial planes, as well as ships, are possibilities.

"We would do what is the most efficient, cost-effective quick way to get those people here, and then we have to welcome them, and we have to accommodate and we have to help them settle into Canada," he said.

However, the air force likely won't have as large of a role as commercial airliners because of its limited capacity.

Air Canada has already offered to help the government transport Syrian refugees “to the fullest extent possible.” A company spokesperson told CTV News that the airline has so far only exchanged “preliminary information” with Ottawa.

McCallum said the government now has to figure out the fastest, most secure and cost-effective way to bring Syrian refugees from other countries that have taken them in. He said Ottawa will focus on Turkey, Jordan and Lebanon.

“We have to clearly liaise with the governments of those countries and with the United Nations.”

McCallum said the government has already deployed "dozens of additional immigration officials" to the region to handle the incoming case load.

Treasury Board President Scott Brison, who is also on the refugee sub-committee, will examine the related costs, McCallum said.

The exact cost of the mission has yet to be determined because all the "variables" have yet to be sorted out, but McCallum said it is going to cost a "penny or two."

"We've put aside some money in our platform for this, but it is not going to be cheap to bring 25,000 people to country and help them settle," he said.

"Don't forget these people come from the most dire of circumstances … this is probably the worst refugee crisis in decades," McCallum added.

The government will also have to find accommodations for all the refugees once they arrive. McCallum said that Canadian military bases are “one possibility” in the "short run," but working with provincial governments, as well as municipalities, non-governmental organizations and will be key.

McCallum said many groups, including the Syrian community, and individuals across the country have also offered to take in refugees.

McCallum said he also hopes to have refugee health care reinstated in line with the same end-of-year deadline.

"I don’t control the parliamentary calendar, and we will not have very much time before Christmas. But I certainly am hoping very much this will be the case," he said.
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- If we can house 12k of them on bases, why is there 'no room' in the SQs sometimes and waiting lists for PMQs?

- so the Liberal's definition of 'doing this right' is to try to get everyone else to pay for it?  ^-^  As stated, it will only be a penny...or two... 



 
Eye In The Sky said:
- If we can house 12k of them on bases, why is there 'no room' in the SQs sometimes and waiting lists for PMQs?

- so the Liberal's definition of 'doing this right' is to try to get everyone else to pay for it?  ^-^  As stated, it will only be a penny...or two...

They're talking about the tent lines of weatherhavens found at such bases/camps as Gagetown, Connaught, Aldershot, Blackdown, etc. It would be very spartan. And cold...
 
When the Kosovo refugees were brought to Aldershot, it was the military members who were kicked out of their SQs and living in the tents on the old Black Watch parade square.  The refugees got the hard shelters.
 
Brihard said:
They're talking about the tent lines of weatherhavens found at such bases/camps as Gagetown, Connaught, Aldershot, Blackdown, etc. It would be very spartan. And cold...

And how long before all the 'poor pitiful me' whining starts?
 
Brihard said:
They're talking about the tent lines of weatherhavens found at such bases/camps as Gagetown, Connaught, Aldershot, Blackdown, etc. It would be very spartan. And cold...

Camp Argonaut in Gagetown has three nearly new accommodation buildings that hold 300+ each.
 
A sliver of info via the U.N. ....
Syrian refugees being brought to Canada by the Liberal government will only be given temporary residency permits until their cases have been fully processed in Canada, the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugee says.

It's the first sliver of concrete detail about how the Liberals will meet a target to resettle 25,000 people by the end of the year, a logistical challenge now being overseen by a cabinet committee set to meet for the first time Tuesday.

In a statement Tuesday morning, the UN's Antonio Guterres said his agency is working with the government to identify people for resettlement — particularly from Lebanon and Jordan — and help facilitate their move.

He said Syrians coming to Canada will initially receive a temporary residence permit, which will be replaced by permanent status after processing in Canada. They'll be eligible to apply for citizenship in four years.

( .... )

The federal Immigration department couldn't immediately confirm the details or provide any additional information about the plan.

The temporary permit approach was used in 1999 when more than 5,000 Kosovars were airlifted to Canada over four months.

On Monday, minister John McCallum said that while the target remains 25,000 Syrians by the end of the year, the government doesn't want to rush it.

"We are also determined to do the job well, which means proper consideration be given to security concerns and to health concerns," McCallum said ....
Here's today's (10 Nov 2015) statement from the UNHCR:
UNHCR today welcomed the announcement by the Government of Canada to take in a further 25,000 Syrian refugees through humanitarian admission programmes by the end of 2015.

"This is a huge gesture of solidarity with the Syrian people and the countries neighbouring Syria which together are hosting more than four million refugees and bearing the brunt of this crisis. I urge other countries to follow Canada's lead, galvanise their resources, and dramatically increase the number of Syrians who are able to rebuild their lives in safe countries without having to take perilous journeys," said UN High Commissioner for Refugees António Guterres.

"Too many vulnerable refugees are languishing in countries neighbouring Syria, caught in a downward spiral of poverty and risk as they struggle to meet their basic needs. We need many more ambitious programmes like this to offer Syrians a chance to start their lives anew," Guterres added.

UNHCR will work with Canadian immigration authorities to allow for the quick identification of vulnerable Syrians in the Middle East, particularly from Lebanon and Jordan, and facilitate their move to Canada.

The announcement comes on top of Canada's earlier pledge to receive 10,000 places for Syrian refugees before September 2016, following UNHCR's pledging conference for resettlement and other forms of humanitarian admission in December 2014. The total number of places for Syrians under these schemes in some 30 countries now stands at 155,408.

UNHCR estimates 10 per cent of the 4.1 million registered refugees in countries neighbouring Syria are vulnerable and are in need of resettlement or humanitarian admission to a third country.
 
Eye In The Sky said:
When the Kosovo refugees were brought to Aldershot, it was the military members who were kicked out of their SQs and living in the tents on the old Black Watch parade square.  The refugees got the hard shelters.


Is anyone surprised by that? I wouldn't be surprised if the military members still had to pay for their SQs.
 
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