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Politics in 2013

Kirkhill said:
Suspended generally means being set aside until further developments.

IF the AG comes out with an interim report describing improprieties and naming names, could the PM not  do the following?....Go forth and sin no more!

No: I think it would be a political train wreck for him. It would not satisfy the blood hounds and Senate killers in the CPC base, and it would make him look inconsisent or dithering in front of the Opposition. Not to mention the stink that the Three Bad Mice would put up after being dragged through the sh*t pond.
 
dapaterson said:
So, a question:  The motions suspended the Senators, but granted them continued coverage under various benefit plans.

Does that not constitute a financial action?  By custom, the Senate cannot originate financial bills; would the decision to extend benefits to Senators even while suspended not break that rule of Parliament?

I believe it is an administrative action.  They didn't pass any bills, only a motion.  A government motion which is odd for that sort of thing but if you are trying to stop debate (closure) and get on with it it is the most effective way to do it. 
 
pbi said:
No: I think it would be a political train wreck for him. It would not satisfy the blood hounds and Senate killers in the CPC base, and it would make him look inconsisent or dithering in front of the Opposition. Not to mention the stink that the Three Bad Mice would put up after being dragged through the **** pond.

Agreed.  Inconsitancy has been damaging so far.  The fall out would not be good if they do not use the same standards applied.  The media would jump all over that. 
 
pbi said:
No: I think it would be a political train wreck for him. It would not satisfy the blood hounds and Senate killers in the CPC base, and it would make him look inconsisent or dithering in front of the Opposition. Not to mention the stink that the Three Bad Mice would put up after being dragged through the **** pond.

You're probably right.  It'll be interesting to watch Harper (try to) tidy up the pieces over the next two years.  He has until Oct 19 2015 to get it right.

Key elements:

Balance budget and move back into surplus 
Sort the Pipelines
Sort the Senate Reform issue
Sort Military Procurement generally and the F35/FWSAR in particular

Detail:  See if he can gain traction of NDHQ staffing.

The first two supply the money
The second both appeals to Harper and his base as well as being necessary to remove a stench from the nose of everyone else
With money in place then sorting military procurement becomes easier/more acceptable.
 
Kirkhill said:
Balance budget and move back into surplus 

Ultimately, this is the most important part.  While everything else is likely secondary. But if you screw up too many secondary targets, your primary target might not be enough.
 
Crantor said:
Ultimately, this is the most important part.  While everything else is likely secondary. But if you screw up too many secondary targets, your primary target might not be enough.
I certainly have my differences with this flavour of Tories, but if there is one area where I think they have strength and promise it is that of managing the economy (or at least managing govt spending and programs in a way that helps the economy or hurts it least.)

I am an economic ignoramus, but I think they can use their majority powers to impose things that hurt a bit right now, but may set us well for the future.

 
Bruce MacKinnon, in the Halifax Chronicle Herald, gets it about right:

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Source: http://thechronicleherald.ca/editorial-cartoon/2013-11-07-editorial-cartoon

Maybe this belongs in the Conservatism Needs Work section ~ some Conservatives need work, that's for sure.
 
More on Trudeau's gaffe from his so-called "ladies' night" earlier this week...

Trudeau admires China's "basic dictatorship"...  (was he even aware that China is more of a one-party oligarchy than a single-leader autocracy?)

:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

At least he's "honest" about what he REALLY wants...absolute power.  ::)

National Post

At Toronto fundraiser, Justin Trudeau seemingly admires China’s ‘basic dictatorship’

Liberal leader Justin Trudeau is facing criticism for confiding an apparent admiration for China’s dictatorial tendencies during a “ladies-night” themed fundraiser held in Toronto on Thursday.

During the event, which itself was widely criticized for sexist and patronizing undertones, an audience member asked Mr. Trudeau which nation’s “administration he most admired.”

The party leader responded: “There is a level of admiration I actually have for China because their basic dictatorship is allowing them to actually turn their economy around on a dime and say we need to go green, we need to start, you know, investing in solar. There is a flexibility that I know Stephen Harper must dream about: having a dictatorship where you can do whatever you wanted, that I find quite interesting.”

Noting he was on camera, Mr. Trudeau then said: “But Sun News can now report that I prefer China.”

The NDP equated the off-the-cuff remarks to gaffes made by one-time U.S. vice-presidential candidate and hockey mom Sarah Palin.

“While Justin Trudeau does his best to let out his inner Sarah Palin, and shows Canadians not to trust his instincts, Canadians know they can trust Tom Mulcair to hold Conservatives to account for their scandals and mismanagement,” says a news release on the party’s website.

The NDP also noted this wasn’t Mr. Trudeau’s first expression of admiration for the quasi-Communist rising global superpower.

While on CBC TV’s Power and Politics, Mr. Trudeau noted the concerns swirling around the takeover of natural resources by a Chinese state-owned entity would be similar to those of a takeover by a Scandinavian state-owned entity.

Tim Uppal, the Minister of State for Multiculturalism, said Mr. Trudeau’s remarks on China show he is unfit to lead the “greatest democracy in the world.”

“The comments made by the leader of the Liberal party are an insult to the many Canadians who fought for the basic values and freedoms that we enjoy today. His answer demonstrates again a long-standing position of our party that he is in over his head.”

‘I would never trade our freedoms. But countries we compete with play by different rules’
Mr. Trudeau took to Twitter on Friday to explain his comments, saying that his point about China was that Canada “is up against big countries (China, for one) that can address some major issues quickly.”




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I think M. Trudeau is no different than the average well educated* youngish Canadian: he knows little or nothing about any topic except in his relatively - in his case very - narrow area of expertize. M. Trudeau's area of expertize is, I guess, drama ~ that's what he taught, in a high school, wasn't it? I don't expect him to understand Chinese politics ... or I wouldn't if he didn't aspire to be Prime Minister of Canada while I am still alive. And I don't even expect him to "known" even then, just to have surrounded himself with smart advisors who will tell him to not say incredibly stupid things in public, as Prime Minister Harper has. My guess is that the reason Prime Minister Harper is so taciturn is that he knows that he doesn't know all that stuff.

M. Trudeau is not ready, yet ...

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* Well educated = two university degrees ... three if the first two are in a "hard science."
 
E.R. Campbell said:
I think M. Trudeau is no different than the average well educated* youngish Canadian: he knows little or nothing about any topic except in his relatively - in his case very - narrow area of expertize. ... M. Trudeau is not ready, yet ...

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* Well educated = two university degrees ... three if the first two are in a "hard science."

My feelings exactly.

While I believe strongly that democracy is only healthy when there are a range of party choices available to keep the incumbents "honest" and the voting populace interested, I don't see this Trudeau as a viable candidate for PM. If he doesn't appeal to me, can you imagine how he plays with all the folks to the Right of me?

I am also quite worried about what would happen if his current defence advisor were to become MND and was able to give unfettered free reign to some of his ideas. >:D
 
pbi said:
My feelings exactly.

While I believe strongly that democracy is only healthy when there are a range of party choices available to keep the incumbents "honest" and the voting populace interested, I don't see this Trudeau as a viable candidate for PM. If he doesn't appeal to me, can you imagine how he plays with all the folks to the Right of me?

I am also quite worried about what would happen if his current defence advisor were to become MND and was able to give unfettered free reign to some of his ideas. >:D

Actually, I'm less pessimistic. We survived Trudeau Père and I am confident we will survive Trudeau Fils. And yes, that means I expect Justin Trudeau to become prime minister of Canada: hopefully not until 2019 or after, but sooner or later. By then I expect him to have a better team, and Andrew Leslie may or may not be part of it.

The Liberal Party of Canada remains deeply divided. The division was created at the Kingston Conference of 1960 and was deepened and widened by Pierre Trudeau. Pierre Trudeau was an early NDP stalwart (he was an Eastern silk stocking socialist, not a prairie coop type who supported the CCF) but he joined the Liberal Party after the Kingston Conference and was recruited into the national party by Mike Pearson who, while remaining a traditional conservative (St Laurent) Liberal, opened the door to the political left. The division has never healed and it remains a real, serious, political problem. In 2015 M. Trudeau will, above all, have to fight against Thomas Mulcair in Quebec and Quebec is the most socialist province in Canada. M. Trudeau will need to "campaign left" in French even if that will cause him problems in Ontario and the West ~ but so will M. Mulcair and NDP so only the Conservatives gain from that. But, eventually, in 2019 or later, M. Trudeau's Liberals will get the formula right and will come to power.
 
pbi said:
I am also quite worried about what would happen if his current defence advisor were to become MND and was able to give unfettered free reign to some of his ideas. >:D

Do you mean John Mackay, their one-time Liberal defence critic? Unless he made Marc Garneau or retired Gen. Leslie as Trudeau's advisor and I didn't catch it...

Question: does the Liberal defence critic automatically become the MND once they get into power? Or isn't there some shuffling involved once the reality of a party's win sinks in...  ???
 
S.M.A. said:
Do you mean John Mackay, their one-time Liberal defence critic? Unless he made Marc Garneau or retired Gen. Leslie as Trudeau's advisor and I didn't catch it...

Question: does the Liberal defence critic automatically become the MND once they get into power? Or isn't there some shuffling involved once the reality of a party's win sinks in...  ???


M. Trudeau announced, publicly, that Andrew Leslie joined "his newly formed advisory council on international affairs". We can assume he wants LGen (Ret'd) Leslie for both his international and military insights.

You are correct: cabinet making in Canada, especially, is a fine art that pays little attention to professional qualifications. And, of course, LGen Leslie must, first, convince voters to send him to parliament ~ something his grandfather failed to do.
 
E.R. Campbell said:
M. Trudeau announced, publicly, that Andrew Leslie joined "his newly formed advisory council on international affairs". We can assume he wants LGen (Ret'd) Leslie for both his international and military insights.

You are correct: cabinet making in Canada, especially, is a fine art that pays little attention to professional qualifications. And, of course, LGen Leslie must, first, convince voters to send him to parliament ~ something his grandfather failed to do.

And which I doubt he will do either.
 
E.R. Campbell said:
Actually, I'm less pessimistic. We survived Trudeau Père and I am confident we will survive Trudeau Fils. And yes, that means I expect Justin Trudeau to become prime minister of Canada: hopefully not until 2019 or after, but sooner or later. By then I expect him to have a better team, and Andrew Leslie may or may not be part of it....

When I said "this Trudeau" I wasn't clear. Maybe I should have said "this Trudeau, right now". I agree that if he survives politically for the next few years, and develops a more mature image, and at the same time can "re-invent" the Liberal Party to deal with the alienation/decline of its traditional bases, then yes, he might do it.

Unfortunately, his lack of wisdom is shown by the ridiculously thoughtless comment he made about China. His advisors must have cringed. I heard today on CBC that some (unspecified) Asian Canadians are very upset and are demanding an apology or retraction. IMHO, this is another example of  Liberals shooting themselves in the face with a constituency of growing electoral importance. (One that the Tories have been doing increasingly well with).
 
Our whole system is rotten. Parties care only about pandering for votes, pushing their social agenda on us and enacting screwed up laws (such as the latest in Ontario, forcing barbers to learn how to style hair or face fines!)
This is why I will no longer vote, because I refuse to participate in beauty/popularity contests.


I can't believe I deployed to fight for such a rotten system.

 
pbi said:
Unfortunately, his lack of wisdom is shown by the ridiculously thoughtless comment he made about China. His advisers must have cringed. I heard today on CBC that some (unspecified) Asian Canadians are very upset and are demanding an apology or retraction. IMHO, this is another example of  Liberals shooting themselves in the face with a constituency of growing electoral importance. (One that the Tories have been doing increasingly well with).

A little more about who wants the apology. From the CBC of all places...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/justin-trudeau-s-foolish-china-remarks-spark-anger-1.2421351
 
Yes: I heard their spokeswoman on the CBC today.

BTW, the CBC is actually not a tool of Satan. It clearly isn't Fox News, or the Sun, or even the National Post, but I don't find that it nearly lives up to the rep it gets around here.
 
pbi said:
BTW, the CBC is actually not a tool of Satan. It clearly isn't Fox News, or the Sun, or even the National Post, but I don't find that it nearly lives up to the rep it gets around here.
We'll have to agree to disagree. 

I'll listen to CBC Radio for music and interviews, but their TV is news is absolute garbage

For international news, I get much more balanced reporting from al-Jazeera English  (That's NOT sarcasm;  al-Jazeera is a very credible international news source, since they're going out of their way to be seen as objective.)
 
Journeyman said:
For international news, I get much more balanced reporting from al-Jazeera English  (That's NOT sarcasm;  al-Jazeera is a very credible international news source, since they're going out of their way to be seen as objective.)

I enjoy their news coverage as well, I think western media should be modeling how they do business after AJZ.
 
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