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>Expect all of that to be swept away, replaced by a centralized organization devoted to recruiting a national base of mass support using the most sophisticated tools of communication and fundraising.

Or, expect old age and treachery to overcome youth and idealism.
 
As long as Power Corp / Demerais continue to control the Liberal party I expect little change. Kind of ironic when it's the Liberals who accuse the Torries of being controlled by corporations.
 
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According to the Globe and Mail's Jeffrey Simpson that is the case and he makes his case in this article which is reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions of the Copyright Act from the Globe and Mail:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/commentary/dont-discount-trudeaus-flair-for-the-stage/article10947253/?cmpid=rss1&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Don’t discount Trudeau’s flair for the stage

JEFFREY SIMPSON
The Globe and Mail

Published Wednesday, Apr. 10 2013

Ronald Reagan, the B-grade Hollywood performer, was once asked how being an actor prepared anyone for the presidency. To which he replied: How could a president not be an actor? Which brings us to Justin Trudeau.

It has been widely and properly noted, as a rebuke, that Mr. Trudeau is all hair and no substance. Certainly, his years as a backbencher have been undistinguished, apart from a successful career as a boxer. No one, except perhaps himself, can recall anything he said, let alone any issue with which he was associated.

But from the moment he draped himself over his father’s coffin, the young Trudeau had a flair for the performance. He was born to be an actor, and he was born into the Liberal Party, and now he places his theatrical skills at the service of that party as its new leader.

Acting is more than reciting: someone on a public stage giving a performance. As a very wise friend (and not a Liberal) observed of Mr. Trudeau, he sponges up the emotions of his audiences. They see in him what they wish to see, or at least imagine what they wish to see, be it the memory of his father, his own youth and vigour, his intense good looks, his flawless capacity in both languages. He’s the repository of hope, that most powerful yet indefinite of all political emotions.

Unlike his father, whom the Liberal establishment parachuted into the safest of Montreal seats, Justin Trudeau captured a very difficult seat and held it a second time. As is said in French, il a gagné ses épaulettes – he won his stripes as a street-level politician, just as, it should be said, NDP Leader Thomas Mulcair did in Outremont, a former Liberal fief.

Mr. Trudeau’s constituency triumphs, and now his ascendancy to the party leadership, had nothing to do with policy positions but everything to do with name, work, organization and personality. He has been reproached by adversaries in the leadership race, as he will be in the House of Commons, for avoiding detailed positions on just about everything, as if such positions counted for anything.

Party delegates (like the general electorate) don’t vote on specific policy positions but rather on sentiments, prejudices, memories, impressions and, above all, hope – hope for themselves, their families, their region and their country. Within a party, people hope for victory above all and, in this lot of Liberal candidates, only one, the easy winner, struck Liberals as the only person who could win, or at least make the party again competitive.

Mr. Trudeau was the only hope they had. Now he must try to convince Canadians that he’s their best hope for a different approach from their national government.

We should remember how formidable the task will be of making the Liberals competitive once again. They haven’t been the country’s dominant party for three decades, during which they’ve lost more times than they’ve won. The role that made the Liberals what they once were – the sturdy bridge between French- and English-speaking Canadians – is played by others, New Democrats now, Progressive Conservatives from 1984 to 1993.

They’ve been befuddled over some of the pressures of our time: provincialism, global trade, the fiscal constraints on the state, income inequalities. Their great achievements – official languages, national symbols (the flag), the Charter – are now woven into the fabric of the country, no longer available for political credit.

Liberals face a Conservative Party with a redoubtable capacity for identifying its voters and appealing forcefully to them, and a bankroll and a method of doing politics that make it a foregone conclusion that Mr. Trudeau will face a withering barrage of negative ads from the Conservative attack machine because, as we’ve seen, this is how the Conservatives do politics. They’re masters in the demonization of personality and the destruction of hope. Until Mr. Trudeau endures this barrage, he’ll have seen nothing politically.

His résumé is thin, but his name is known. He has said much but nothing to recall. He has consistently been underestimated by those who undervalue the role of emotion, the mystical power of hope and the importance of acting in politics.


Consider the differences between e.g. Churchill, Truman, St Laurent and Eisenhower - men of great substance, on one hand and Kennedy, Trudeau (père), Reagan and Blair - men of great style, on the other. It isn't that "style" cannot or does not provide leadership - Ronald Reagan and Pierre Trudeau did "lead" in their own ways, rather, it is that the leader's own sense of direction is unclear. We knew where Louis St Laurent stood on issues so we knew where he was likely to lead us; Trudeau, on the other hand, declared x and then, promptly, implements y - remember "Zap! You're frozen!" followed by wage and price controls?
 
What the article overlooks is that Regan brought eight years experience as Governor of the most populous US state. That must come in useful as President. Trudeau on the other hand brings...
 
ModlrMike said:
What the article overlooks is that Regan brought eight years experience as Governor of the most populous US state. That must come in useful as President. Trudeau on the other hand brings...

About as much experience as Stephen Harper had when he took over the leadership of his party?

People have said this before...don't underestimate him.  I don't think he'll win the next election (but he will likely win the following one)
 
Crantor said:
About as much experience as Stephen Harper had when he took over the leadership of his party?

People have said this before...don't underestimate him.  I don't think he'll win the next election (but he will likely win the following one)

Indeed. That's why our prime ministers have a cabinet to lean on. While I personally am skeptical as hell of Trudeau and do not, as of yet, want to see him as PM, I'm also not going to pretend we have enough to go on to say he can't do the job.

Any party in power eventually gets stale. The Conservatives under Harper will be no exception. I don't think there's a chance in hell the NDP's strength in the last election will be repeated to the same degree... For all the talk of 'cooperation' on the left, I know I'm not alone among centrists in that I'll vote Liberal or Conservative depending on the election, but wouldn't consider voting NDP or for an NDP-inclusive coalition. When the Conservatives get stale, unless the Liberals really disgust me, that's where I'll likely vote.
 
Brihard said:
For all the talk of 'cooperation' on the left, I know I'm not alone among centrists in that I'll vote Liberal or Conservative depending on the election, but wouldn't consider voting NDP or for an NDP-inclusive coalition. When the Conservatives get stale, unless the Liberals really disgust me, that's where I'll likely vote.

Exactly my position.
 
Crantor said:
About as much experience as Stephen Harper had when he took over the leadership of his party?

Essentially true, but the comparison was Trudeau/Regan not Trudeau/Harper. Two entirely different things.
 
ModlrMike said:
What the article overlooks is that Regan brought eight years experience as Governor of the most populous US state. That must come in useful as President. Trudeau on the other hand brings...

Crantor said:
About as much experience as Stephen Harper had when he took over the leadership of his party?

Actually that's not true....nowhere does it detail the policy wank positions and experience in formulation policy that Harper had prior to being elected then taking over the leadership. Justin has....a fist fight, high school teacher degree, daddy's name....and not much else..
 
GAP said:
Actually that's not true....nowhere does it detail the policy wank positions and experience in formulation policy that Harper had prior to being elected then taking over the leadership. Justin has....a fist fight, high school teacher degree, daddy's name....and not much else..


There we go with the underestimation again.  Just to compare,  both are/were relative new comers and as far as what people expect/ed as "experience" to be prime minister both fall/fell very short of that.

Both have/had about the same amount of time as a sitting MP prior to taking the leadership of their respective parties.  Both do not have degrees in law.

Harper lectured at university off and on, Trudeau was a teacher.  And while Harper might have formed a think tank and was part of what amounts to a think tank, Trudeau was active in various advocacy causes.  To each their own.

While it's easy to criticise Trudeau for a lack of experience it's also easy to forget that Harper was also inexperienced by whatever standards we set.  Trudeau is also starting younger.  I find his most vocal critics focus on that.  He's actually said some interesting things throughout the leadership campaign but again, his detractors keep focusing on his hair, the brawl last year (which many conservatives were hoping he would get trounced) and his relative lack of experience.

Start looking after what he is saying, go after his ideas and the consequences of what that might be.  He's likely going to win the style war but he also playing an interesting balancing act that could appeal to swing voters on both sides.

By focusing on his youth (again, relative) and perceived inexperience, his opponents are playing a dangerous game of underestimation. 

What I see is someone who can generate cash.  Possibly votes too.  But money is a real tell tale sign.  If he can be seen as innovative and fresh, the experience card kind of gets ignored.  Look at Obama.   
 
Look at Obama.

Really??

One of, if not the least, effective Presidents the US has ever had, and you would hold him up as a shining example of what we should aspire to...... ::)
 
Crantor said:
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By focusing on his youth (again, relative) and perceived inexperience, his opponents are playing a dangerous game of underestimation. 

What I see is someone who can generate cash.  Possibly votes too.  But money is a real tell tale sign.  If he can be seen as innovative and fresh, the experience card kind of gets ignored.  Look at Obama. 


I agree, his flaws, real and imagined, will be highlighted both Conservative and NDP advertising but both parties also need to do more that just accentuate the negative; when the campaign starts M. Trudeau will have policies that will have been tested for their attractiveness to middle class Canadians, Messers Harper and Mulcair need to have the same.
 
GAP said:
Really??

One of, if not the least, effective Presidents the US has ever had, and you would hold him up as a shining example of what we should aspire to...... ::)

Really...eye rolling...

GAP, I didn't hold him up as a shining example of what we should aspire to.  Please re-read.  I am using him as a shining example of what happens when someone who has relatively little experience, taps into the hopes of the populace (who were sick of the establishment) with charisma and appeal.  What did his opponents do?  They went after his inexperience, they questioned his place of birth for gods sake.  Very few attacked his policies in any meaningful way.  All that most people heard was the b-cert issue. Or that his name rhymed with Osama.  Good plan (insert sarcasm).  Obama's team came up with innovative money raising and connecting with the population through twitter, social media etc.  Trudeau is on that same path.  If people criticise Trudeau on fluffy stuff like his inexperience or his pedigree they risk defining that message as just that while he will define his in a more positive light, and it being the only message people will here.  When i say look at Obama, I say it as look what can happen when you underestimate and look what you could end up with.

Hope that clears it up a bit.
 
Trudeau seems to be trying to follow Obama's template - look, a shiny new toy; I am everything you want me to be.

Everyone is by definition inexperienced until the first time they hold a position.  However, there is a world of difference in the paths people might take to prepare themselves to hold a position.
 
Brad Sallows said:
Trudeau seems to be trying to follow Obama's template - look, a shiny new toy; I am everything you want me to be.

Everyone is by definition inexperienced until the first time they hold a position.  However, there is a world of difference in the paths people might take to prepare themselves to hold a position.

I think I actually heard Trudeau use the phrase 'hope and change' in one of his speeches recently.
 
Being a "nice guy", as Stockwell Day described Trudeau, isn't enough to lead a country.

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Mulroney, Day and the business community: Justin Trudeau earns praise from unlikely sources

As Liberals get set to elect Justin Trudeau as their new leader, there are some heavy hitters coming to his defence over criticisms that he's more sizzle than steak.

One of the more surprising defenders is none other than former Tory Prime Minister Brian Mulroney.

"I've known Justin since he was a child. He is young, articulate, attractive - a flawlessly bilingual young man. What's not to like with this picture?," Mulroney said while speaking to CTV News on Tuesday.


"Anybody who treats Justin Trudeau with scorn or derision or underestimates him does so at his own peril.

"We'll see what happens in the future; it's a long way from here to there. But no one should underestimate Justin. He is a man of some consequence. "

The praise from Mulroney was a little surprising because Mulroney was clearly not a fan of Pierre.

Mulroney's comments echoed those of former Conservative Reform Alliance leader Stockwell Day.

"I got to know him — obviously we were fellow MPs. I have a lot of respect for him. He is genuinely a nice guy," Day told Yahoo! Canada News in a telephone interview last month.

"When people used to laugh and say ‘he doesn't have his father’s brain, there’s no way he could do this’ I constantly — for the last two or three years — have been telling my colleagues 'do not laugh at this guy, do not dismiss him, he may not have his father’s brain but he’s got a big heart and he has the ability to win people over.

"Many people, including some in the media that are dismissive of him, do not understate this guy and he will be a force to be dealt with."


If the former Tory accolades don't surprise you, then maybe this headline will: 'Justin Trudeau might be better for business than Stephen Harper'

That's the cover story in the latest issue of the Canadian Business Magazine.


"For those inclined to simply dismiss Justin Trudeau: don’t. Even in the unlikely event he’s not elected leader of the Liberal party, his recruitment of 150,000 new party supporters and collection of $1.3 million in donations unmistakably confirm him as an influential force in Canadian politics," the article's author James Cowan wrote.

"Adore or despise him, it is time to take Justin Trudeau seriously. He supports free trade, foreign direct investment and carbon pricing, all pointing to a curious conclusion: the shaggy-haired, former whitewater guide has an agenda just as capitalist-friendly as the Conservatives. If that notion is odd, this one is heretical: Justin Trudeau might be better for business than Stephen Harper."

The underlying message seems to be: Don't underestimate Justin Trudeau.

(Photo courtesy of Reuters)

 
My (random) thoughts...

1)  Mr. Obama was criticized for being an inexperienced light weight.  Look at who is into his second term of President of the United States.

2)  I find Joyce Murray's views on the environment and NDP merger ironic, considering she was a former BC Liberal environment minister.  Being elected under the BC Liberal banner in 2001, the party was branded as the "conservative" alternative; the anti-NDP/Greens; led by arch-capitalist Gordon Campbell, who was very (too) friendly with the "Howe Street" crowd.  As environment minister (re-named "Water, Land and Air Protection"), she over saw the gutting of the ministry, de-regulation of environment, parks and wildlife laws, ending the moratorium on open-pen Atlantic salmon farming, and turning the environmental review process into a giant rubber-stamp for business.

Needless to say, I find her current positioning very ironic.

And I haven't heard a peep from the national media about her past in Mr. Campbell's cabinet.
 
RangerRay said:
My (random) thoughts...

1)  Mr. Obama was criticized for being an inexperienced light weight.  Look at who is into his second term of President of the United States.

Campaigning and governing are two different things.
 
Are they going to have any policies? Valueless, uncontroversial and vague,..... They are worse than me when my girlfriend asks why we aren't married.

How can I have an opinion on nothing?
 
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