RangerRay
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Yes I agree. Avoid that alphabet soup they have down there.
Freedom Convoy protests [Split from All things 2019-nCoV]
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America has this weird fetish for all kinds of small niche police services. I understand that the District of Columbia is awful for that. Ottawa's nothing close. For uniformed response/patrol policing, It's really just the OPS, some OPP on the 400 highways, and some uniformed/marked RCMP occasionally zipping around babysitting embassies and doing whatever their protective services do, plus a handful of MPs looking after military property. But if you call 911 for a crime in progress, other than traffic stuff on the Queensway, or something on military property, nobody's picking your report apart to try to figure out which of a half dozen of more agencies to dispatch it to- it's Ottawa Police. No reason not to keep it that way.
TacticalTea
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That just seems laughably counter-productive. They're the ones who look bad first and foremost.
The application of the law could violate the charter if the safeguards weren't respected, which he manifestly believes was the case. Doesn't have to be the law itself. Any action by the governments of Canada (32(1)).
To piggyback on what @brihard said, that has more to do with the American LE community and structure of government as a whole. I remember footage from the Boston run bombing. I think somewhere between 11 and 19 different agencies responded.
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They have a weird fetish for all kinds of small niche police services because Americans love decentralization of power.
Politicans love this as well because it makes it impossible to really decide who exactly is at fault for something.
The Freedom Convoy and the response from our overlords is a fantastic example of a bunch of politicians at various levels of Govt all lacking stones to do anything about the situation because they are scared little shits.
We should throw them all out for it, every single one of them at the Fed, Prov and Muni level.
Re: Ottawa
I think it's high time that Ottawa/Gatineau becomes a Federal Administered territory with the Feds exercising Provincial & Municipal Powers of Governance.
Ottawa is a bureaucratic mess and governance shitshow:
You've got the Feds, 2x Provincial Govts, Various Municipal Govts in two different Provinces and then arms reach organizations like the NCC also sticking their nose in everyones business.
It's time to simplify it so we know exactly which idiot to shoot when things don't go as planned.
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On a related note- the Citizen has a really well done article today on the actual planning and execution of the final clearance operation, from the perspective of and based on the testimony of Ottawa Police's event commander for the final clearance. Well worth a read.
Anatomy of an eviction
How Supt. Rob Bernier came up with the plan that ended the convoy protest--and restored order to downtown Ottawa.ottawacitizen.com
BZ to the police for taking back control of the streets.
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It can be done sans alphabet soup. DC, where "end taxation without representation" is literally the current saying on license plates there, is not the model we should go for.
The model is probably Canberra, Australian Capital Territory. Policing is all done by the Australian Federal Police (RCMP equivalent) - the community policing portion is called the ACT Police.
Interestingly, Canberra doesn't have a "municipal" govt either. Everything is run through their territorial legislature.
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I think it has a lot to do with their Constitution and the concept of 'sovereign states' as well as the status of federal lands/properties. Criminal law, and the authority to enforce it, is state-based, so federal land needs federal law and an agency to enforce it. Why there are so many federal enforcement agencies seems a bit of a fetish but probably grew from departmental turf and a lack of an RCMP-like federal policing agency to take it on.
Even within states, I once read an analysis of why there is a dearth of 'metro' police agencies or even state or county-level contracting of smaller municipalities. It seemed to make sense but, unfortunately, it was long ago.
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I don't know the legislative foundation for the Australian NCT nor its demographics, but I'm not sure if creating a Canadian NCR would solve much. First off, it would require a constitutional amendment. It would reduce three police services to one as well as all the governance and other legislation that goes along with it. I'm not sure how the PPS would fit in since it is not a police service and is technically run by the parliamentary speakers. Along with creating a brand new entity comes fire, education, health, public works and on and on. The more exceptions ('well, we'll get Ontario to do that part') the greater potential for confusion.
Do the proponents intend to take all of current Ottawa and Gatineau or somehow carve out just the downtown bits? Include all federal offices or just the Precinct? I'm sure any residents caught up in this would be just thrilled to have a federal agency, like the NCC, as their local government. Perhaps at least this new NCR would at least be consistent - the whole place would start to look like 24 Sussex.
Do the proponents intend to take all of current Ottawa and Gatineau or somehow carve out just the downtown bits? Include all federal offices or just the Precinct? I'm sure any residents caught up in this would be just thrilled to have a federal agency, like the NCC, as their local government. Perhaps at least this new NCR would at least be consistent - the whole place would start to look like 24 Sussex.
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The one issue it may solve came up during Covid. So many of the federal, etc employees live in the Quebec side that DND (and I'm sure every other dept) was juggling two systems for their folks - whether they could get into work, what measures were in place as some of the offices were in Gatineau, etc.
Folks will travel to/from ON and QC so often during a day that having those areas under one set of policies/rules/regulations may be a good thing.
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The constitutional structure followed the social structure. What became the US built government from the bottom up: townships, around which colonies coalesced. Colonies became states. Counties are administrative sub-units of states. The practice of having a lot of elected offices with well-defined and limited narrowly-focused responsibility started early; "subsidiarity" is in the DNA of American governance.
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Don't forget good old fashioned empire building . The American system is large and fairly complex . It does seem to lend itself to that sort of thing.
Wasn't there some sort of Federal police organization at the Norfolk Naval Base that quietly began building what amounted to a small army without any Authority to do so ?
Wasn't there some sort of Federal police organization at the Norfolk Naval Base that quietly began building what amounted to a small army without any Authority to do so ?
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These people are marching downtown today... I don't think they got the memo.... 
More honking and crowds are on the way—another round of protests is expected to take place in downtown Victoria this Saturday.
Anti-mandate protesters are departing Campbell River at 7 a.m., cruising south along the Island Highway before reaching BC’s Legislature at 12:30 p.m., according to a “Freedom Convoy” poster.
For the fourth weekend in a row, demonstrators are anticipated to line Belleville Street, holding signs stamped with words like “It’s not about health – it’s about government control” and “My body – my choice.”
From 8 a.m. until 4 p.m., organizers encourage participants to honk their horns—something that’s fueling frustration in some Victoria locals, prompting the petition Enforce City noise bylaw against “convoy protest” noise.
Created by David Thompson, over 600 people have signed it so far.
Thompson argues that repeated honking and engine revving affects residents, workers, and businesses, so he’s asking city officials to enforce noise bylaws and ticket every driver in violation.
Ahead of the weekend, VicPD says it’s working to ensure public safety, deploying temporary CCTV cameras in surrounding public places. It’s also warning drivers of possible traffic disruptions.
“Dangerous and/or unlawful acts will be met with de-escalation and enforcement. This enforcement may include the issuing of violation tickets under the Motor Vehicle Act,” VicPD said in a media release.
Last Saturday’s protest left an Island Health care worker shaken up after anti-mandate protesters allegedly yelled obscenities at them as they were driving to a patient’s home in James Bay.
BC Premier John Horgan called the actions “unacceptable,” adding, “I think I speak for all British Columbians [with] profound regret that there’s that level of stupidity in some of our fellow citizens.”
The health authority has since changed its service delivery protocols, including staff now using vehicles without logos in “certain situations” and requesting police escorts if they feel unsafe.
The “Freedom Convoy” started in response to the federal government’s vaccine mandate for Canadian cross-border essential workers, including truckers, requiring proof of vaccination to avoid quarantining after returning to Canada.
www.victoriabuzz.com
Another anti-mandate protest set for this Saturday in downtown Victoria
More honking and crowds are on the way—another round of protests is expected to take place in downtown Victoria this Saturday.
Anti-mandate protesters are departing Campbell River at 7 a.m., cruising south along the Island Highway before reaching BC’s Legislature at 12:30 p.m., according to a “Freedom Convoy” poster.
For the fourth weekend in a row, demonstrators are anticipated to line Belleville Street, holding signs stamped with words like “It’s not about health – it’s about government control” and “My body – my choice.”
From 8 a.m. until 4 p.m., organizers encourage participants to honk their horns—something that’s fueling frustration in some Victoria locals, prompting the petition Enforce City noise bylaw against “convoy protest” noise.
Created by David Thompson, over 600 people have signed it so far.
Thompson argues that repeated honking and engine revving affects residents, workers, and businesses, so he’s asking city officials to enforce noise bylaws and ticket every driver in violation.
Ahead of the weekend, VicPD says it’s working to ensure public safety, deploying temporary CCTV cameras in surrounding public places. It’s also warning drivers of possible traffic disruptions.
“Dangerous and/or unlawful acts will be met with de-escalation and enforcement. This enforcement may include the issuing of violation tickets under the Motor Vehicle Act,” VicPD said in a media release.
Last Saturday’s protest left an Island Health care worker shaken up after anti-mandate protesters allegedly yelled obscenities at them as they were driving to a patient’s home in James Bay.
BC Premier John Horgan called the actions “unacceptable,” adding, “I think I speak for all British Columbians [with] profound regret that there’s that level of stupidity in some of our fellow citizens.”
The health authority has since changed its service delivery protocols, including staff now using vehicles without logos in “certain situations” and requesting police escorts if they feel unsafe.
The “Freedom Convoy” started in response to the federal government’s vaccine mandate for Canadian cross-border essential workers, including truckers, requiring proof of vaccination to avoid quarantining after returning to Canada.
Another anti-mandate protest set for this Saturday in downtown Victoria
More honking and crowds are on the way—another round of protests is expected to take place in downtown Victoria this Saturday.
www.victoriabuzz.com
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The article is a year old, bud…These people are marching downtown today... I don't think they got the memo....
Another anti-mandate protest set for this Saturday in downtown Victoria
More honking and crowds are on the way—another round of protests is expected to take place in downtown Victoria this Saturday.
Anti-mandate protesters are departing Campbell River at 7 a.m., cruising south along the Island Highway before reaching BC’s Legislature at 12:30 p.m., according to a “Freedom Convoy” poster.
For the fourth weekend in a row, demonstrators are anticipated to line Belleville Street, holding signs stamped with words like “It’s not about health – it’s about government control” and “My body – my choice.”
From 8 a.m. until 4 p.m., organizers encourage participants to honk their horns—something that’s fueling frustration in some Victoria locals, prompting the petition Enforce City noise bylaw against “convoy protest” noise.
Created by David Thompson, over 600 people have signed it so far.
Thompson argues that repeated honking and engine revving affects residents, workers, and businesses, so he’s asking city officials to enforce noise bylaws and ticket every driver in violation.
Ahead of the weekend, VicPD says it’s working to ensure public safety, deploying temporary CCTV cameras in surrounding public places. It’s also warning drivers of possible traffic disruptions.
“Dangerous and/or unlawful acts will be met with de-escalation and enforcement. This enforcement may include the issuing of violation tickets under the Motor Vehicle Act,” VicPD said in a media release.
Last Saturday’s protest left an Island Health care worker shaken up after anti-mandate protesters allegedly yelled obscenities at them as they were driving to a patient’s home in James Bay.
BC Premier John Horgan called the actions “unacceptable,” adding, “I think I speak for all British Columbians [with] profound regret that there’s that level of stupidity in some of our fellow citizens.”
The health authority has since changed its service delivery protocols, including staff now using vehicles without logos in “certain situations” and requesting police escorts if they feel unsafe.
The “Freedom Convoy” started in response to the federal government’s vaccine mandate for Canadian cross-border essential workers, including truckers, requiring proof of vaccination to avoid quarantining after returning to Canada.
Another anti-mandate protest set for this Saturday in downtown Victoria
More honking and crowds are on the way—another round of protests is expected to take place in downtown Victoria this Saturday.
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The fact that it could be today and still be correct does speak volumes...
Also, who'da thunk that there could be more than one Pierre Rouleau in Canada?
daftandbarmy
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I saw about 100 people downtown today, marching and shouting, carrying Canadian flags up Blanshard St. There's been a fairly permanent, weekend mainly, presence of protesters in front of the Legislature as well.
I just assumed it was same old same old
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"Pierre Rouleau" = Rolling Stone. Margaret Trudeau had an affair(s) with member(s) of the Rolling Stones.
It's obvious when you know where to look.
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That was the story of the Trudeau family patio. Pierre mixed the mortar and Maggie laid The Stones."Pierre Rouleau" = Rolling Stone. Margaret Trudeau had an affair(s) with member(s) of the Rolling Stones.
It's obvious when you know where to look.
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