Saluting during Remembrance day ceremonies

[40below]

At my kids' school, which is adjacent to CFB Kingston, here were a number of army personnel and a few air force on hand for the school ceremony. Some saluted during the minute, some didn't, several took off their headdresses and bowed their heads. I saw a sigs corporal saluting and a sigs MWO standing next to him not saluting. Same thing happened last year.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

At my kids' school, which is adjacent to CFB Kingston, here were a number of army personnel and a few air force on hand for the school ceremony. Some saluted during the minute, some didn't, several took off their headdresses and bowed their heads. I saw a sigs corporal saluting and a sigs MWO standing next to him not saluting. Same thing happened last year.

I think that post perfectly sums up the Remembrance Day protocol thread(s) on here nicely so far.  ;D

*SNAFU*

 

[helpup]

I just finished doing two ceremony's, one on Sunday in Quebec and one in Kemptville,  In both cases I brought out the honour guard got them into posn just prior ( compliments to the monument ) and ensured I was in the background or in other words in front of most of the spectators near the monument by the flagpole.  In Kemptvilles place I was the one lowering the flag.  In either case.  My troops both formed and assisting with the wreaths were briefed by me as to when to pay compliments.  And as for the general crowd most of them that I could see did at the right moments.  Even if more then a few of them took it off my cues

Your correct though it is salute on the first note of last post, to the last, arm down for the silence and then back up for the rouse.  The National Anthem, God Save the Queen and the march on for Kemptville since they had the colours on hand.  In a lighter note the parade almost caught me as they were marching off.  I gave them a few min to clear and the crowd to clear before moving to take the honour guard off the monument.  I just brought they back out of rest on your arms reverse when the parade came back down in front of the monument.  Pause 2-3 about turned and high fived the colours 2-3 about turn again and got the guard off the monument. All in all Kemptville had a good turn out

 

[Snakedoc]

b. Formed military groups will be brought to
attention and all officers shall salute.

I'm assuming this refers to ceremonial officer parade positions only?  Not literally all officers (that may be also within a formed group)  ;D

 

[helpup]

Unless it is considered a General Salute,,,,  and honestly not sure if that applies or not for this case. 
If you had a multi unit contingent say at a local ceremony where the Parade is actually ran by a legion Sgt at Arms then each officer in front of his troops would salute at the same time, those formed under him staying at attention.  If the parade is run by a OIC (parade marshal for lack of better words ) then I would think that he would take the salute unless for the ceremony it is treated as a general salute, where they would all salute for them.  and since I don't have the time to check the fine details on that one.  Lets hope someone in the know can

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Actually I don't see what is confusing.  It says:

Formed military groups will be brought to attention and all officers shall salute.

 

[montana]

I'm assuming this refers to ceremonial officer parade positions only?  Not literally all officers (that may be also within a formed group)  ;D

You're right

Actually I don't see what is confusing.  It says:
Formed military groups will be brought to attention and all officers shall salute.

I am assuming this is the response to the post I quoted above
If it is then I believe you are wrong. officers do not salut if they are part of a platoon
In the 201 an officer is anyone in an officer parade position (all the symbols that are circles) when we talk about formed military groups.
If all officers shall salute as you said it will contradict the part where it says that compliments
are paid by the person in command of a group on behalf of the group and more than half of the 201.

But then again why would someone have a platoon of officers (where do you get so many officers)

 

[helpup]

Gagetown, CAP Crse, or any of the Officer Crse's.  You can and I have seen a Pl of officers. Who when formed shall have one officer in charge.  It is not the norm mind you as most are allowed to go to ceremony's on their own.  But I have seen a bunch of Lt's formed up.  Never did see a group of Capt, or Maj formed up under one man but that would be amusing to see.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

It sure was easy when all you had to do was follow the RSMs parade instruction.  8)

 

[montana]

Gagetown, CAP Crse, or any of the Officer Crse's.  You can and I have seen a Pl of officers. Who when formed shall have one officer in charge.  It is not the norm mind you as most are allowed to go to ceremony's on their own.  But I have seen a bunch of Lt's formed up.  Never did see a group of Capt, or Maj formed up under one man but that would be amusing to see.

Of course it happens, never said it didn't but have you ever seen a platoon of officers where each officer saluted and not only the person in charge of them?

 

[2 Cdo]

At my kids' school, which is adjacent to CFB Kingston, here were a number of army personnel and a few air force on hand for the school ceremony. Some saluted during the minute, some didn't, several took off their headdresses and bowed their heads. I saw a sigs corporal saluting and a sigs MWO standing next to him not saluting. Same thing happened last year.

After being in Kingston for over 6 years nothing surprises me anymore. :rage: I'm thinking whoever was the highest rank there should have had a little chat with all members just prior to the ceremony.

 

[40below]

After being in Kingston for over 6 years nothing surprises me anymore. :rage: I'm thinking whoever was the highest rank there should have had a little chat with all members just prior to the ceremony.

Last year I actually asked one of the PAOs about this the week after Remembrance Day, and the only answer she was able to give was that different units have a different understanding of when one salutes or not and act accordingly. Same thing happened at an RMC event I was at last year when the anthem was played, and about half the regs in attendance, mostly officers but from all three elements, saluted and half just stood at attention.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Maybe someone should email a link of this thread to the CFCWO.

 

[Celticgirl]

I believe (without going to 201 to be sure) the correct answer is:

As a part of a formed group:

- all Officers (or Snr Rank only, if no Officers present) salutes for O Canada, Last Post/2 Minutes Silence/Rouse, God Save The Queen. (All other at the position of attention)

When not part of a formed group:

- you salute individually during O Canada, Last Post/2 Minutes Silence/Rouse, and God Save The Queen.

Interesting. I noticed this yesterday at the local ceremony, as well. Some military members saluted at those times mentioned and some did not. I will assume it is because those personnel were Officers based on the above. Also, all three of the RCMP members present saluted at those times.

 

[Fusaki]

I was at the ceremony at Beachwood in Ottawa. Admittedly, I was not sure exactly what I should and should not have saluted for as I was not part of a formed group.

Once having realized that I should have figured this out beforehand, I winged it by positioning myself to have eyes on an Airforce CWO and WO who were in front of me and to the left in the crowd. When they saluted, I saluted.  Protocol was followed, and now I know for next time. 8)

 

[Snakedoc]

But then again why would someone have a platoon of officers (where do you get so many officers)

At the remembrance day ceremony I attended we had a platoon of officers and senior NCO's together.  The officers in the platoon were SLt and below with PO2 and above for NCO's. Platoon Officers were Lt(N) with a PO1 as the Platoon PO for each platoon.

The officers in our platoon did not salute, only the platoon officer saluted.

Edit: for grammar

 

[danchapps]

So here's my question. I understand the formed/not-formed group aspect, however at the Butter dome, we were formed up, marched on and left-wheeled into set out rows of chairs. When we are at the chairs are we stilled considered formed up, or not? I ask this because some saluted, some didn't. It was all sorts of F***ed up there. No briefing as for when to salute and not. Anyone?

 

[gwp]

I believe (without going to 201 to be sure) the correct answer is:

As a part of a formed group:

- all Officers (or Snr Rank only, if no Officers present) salutes for O Canada, Last Post/2 Minutes Silence/Rouse, God Save The Queen. (All other at the position of attention)

When not part of a formed group:

- you salute individually during O Canada, Last Post/2 Minutes Silence/Rouse, and God Save The Queen.

All correct except the salute comes down during the silence and goes back up for rouse.  You do not salute for lament.  While the RC Legion has the lament played during the silence, CF drill is to not interupt the silence. 

At every event that I write the MC script for or MC it is part of the MC's instruction to the spectators  "Uniformed spectators and those not on parade shall salute during ..... O Canada, God Save the Queen, the Vice Regal Salute on the arrival of the Lt.-Gov.  etc."  So that everyone knows.  Or xxxx arrives he/she will be greeted with a general salute.  Uniformed personnel not on parade stand to attention. 

Last year I actually asked one of the PAOs about this the week after Remembrance Day, and the only answer she was able to give was that different units have a different understanding of when one salutes or not and act accordingly. Same thing happened at an RMC event I was at last year when the anthem was played, and about half the regs in attendance, mostly officers but from all three elements, saluted and half just stood at attention.

There is no difference between units.  It is clear in the drill manual

 

[BinRat55]

Reading this thread has me more confused than a trucker on an air force base!! Ok, tell me if I got this right -

The funeral guard will present
arms, the escort will remain at the order,
officers that form part of the escort will salute
with the hand. In the latter case the salute
shall be held for the silent interval between
“Last Post” and “Rouse”.

The salute begins at the first note of "Last Post", is held during the moment of silence, and is terminated at the last note of "Rouse" - ONLY WHEN THERE IS AN ESCORT (most likely during a funeral)...

I don't know how else to read this... I've done 19 years of Remembrance Day parades and have never seen a salute during the 2 minutes of silence.

 

[gwp]

tell me if I got this right - I don't know how else to read this... I've done 19 years of Remembrance Day parades and have never seen a salute during the 2 minutes of silence.

Here is the entire section from the 201.  The salute is held during the silence by officers that form part of an escort party at funerals.  Other wise the salute is terminated at the end of each call.

26. Memorial Services and Funerals.
Compliments to the dead shall be paid during the
sounding of the calls “Last Post” and “Rouse” when
they are used in memorial services and funerals.
Compliments will commence on the first note and
terminate on the last of each call when sounded.
Compliments shall be paid as follows:

a. All ranks who are not part of a formed
military group shall salute.

b. Formed military groups will be brought to
attention and all officers shall salute. A Royal
or General Salute will be ordered if
appropriate. The funeral guard will present
arms, the escort will remain at the order,
officers that form part of the escort will salute
with the hand. In the latter case the salute
shall be held for the silent interval between
“Last Post” and “Rouse”.

c. On defence establishments, all vehicles in
the vicinity shall be stopped and the
occupants shall dismount and pay
compliments.