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Report: CF Hard Pressed to Recruit 8K

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http://www.recorder.ca/cp/National/050925/n092571A.html

Military recruitment targets almost impossible to meet, says paper
STEPHEN THORNE

OTTAWA (CP) - The Canadian military will be hard-pressed to raise anywhere near the 8,000 additional recruits it hopes to attract over the next five years, says an analysis conducted for Queen's University.

Defence will have to bring nearly half again that many people into their recruiting centres in the next five years and hope enough are qualified to match the targets set by the federal government last year, says the paper.

The estimates don't take into account expected attrition in an aging military where net growth has been between 150 and 300 people annually, writes Christopher Ankersen, an Ottawa-based security and defence expert.

And, regardless of admirable money commitments from Ottawa, any rise in the number of recruits will further stress or overwhelm an already-understaffed training cadre and possibly affect operational capability, Ankersen says.

"Rapid expansion poses a significant challenge to the Canadian Forces," he writes. "The current personnel situation is not healthy (and) 8,000 new personnel is a very ambitious goal.

"The Canadian population cannot easily support increased recruiting on such a scale and the existing human resource system is not prepared for such expansion."

But the head of recruiting for the Canadian Forces says some of Ankersen's premises were wrong and some of the information he used was dated.

For example, Col. Kevin Cotten said, the military has not been authorized to grow for years and therefore exceeded its mandate by expanding at the nominal rate of between 150 and 300 a year.

In 2003-04, the Forces only enrolled 60 per cent of all the people it processed as applicants and who qualified for service, he added.

"We know we can deliver," Cotten said in an interview. "We get high-quality people in numbers that exceed our needs. We've turned away thousands of people in recent years because we don't have jobs to give them."

The chief of defence staff, Gen. Rick Hillier, has declared that recruiting is his No. 1 priority.

The federal government has committed more than $3 billion to expand the regular force by 5,000 personnel and the reserves by 3,000 within five years as part of a long-range overhaul of the country's beleaguered military.

The Forces currently have about 52,700 so-called trained, effective - deployable - soldiers. Last April's defence policy statement aims to have enough to indefinitely maintain at least two full-scale overseas operations.

Ankersen says years of budget cuts and eroding resources have posed enough challenges without the additional task of convincing significantly more people to consider the military as a career option.

There are handicaps permanently built into the system. Only about one in six who express an interest in joining the military actually make the grade, Ankersen asserts.

Cotten says that ratio is closer to two in five among full-scale applicants and one in 10 among so-called "contacts" - people who talk to military recruiters by phone, face-to-face or via e-mail.

Nevertheless, contends Ankersen, with shortfalls across key trades and among critical demographics, the military would need 48,000 additional people to seek employment in the next five years to even hope to meet targets.

That's on top of 20,000 that Ankersen says already visit recruitment centres each year.

"This amounts to expecting a 38 per cent increase in annual traffic through the recruiting centres - a tall order indeed," Ankersen writes.

"This tall order is even more daunting if one considers the preferences of the potential pool of recruits - that is, the Canadian public."

While the Forces are perceived favourably by Canadians, relatively few supporters are of an appropriate age or favour them enough to join, he points out.

Furthermore, defence needs specialized trades that require training and expertise. There are not a lot of options available, Ankersen says.

"It is distressing to see just how small that pool is," he writes.

"No more than one out of every eight Canadians between 15 and 39 years old is even 'somewhat interested' in making the military a career of choice."

This year alone, National Defence is spending $7.7 million on advertising and other promotional programs. But studies suggest advertising's effects are minimal.

The lack of support and promotional failures make it unlikely that the military can get 48,000 more people into its recruitment centres in the next five years, Ankersen writes.

He estimates that a modest goal of increasing the trained effective strength to 54,500 is not achievable before sometime in 2012.

Cotten says it is.

He said 24,000 people have been coming through military recruiting centres annually in recent years, not 20,000.

And far exceeding 48,000, he said he wants his staff to reach 100,000 people over the next five years - in classrooms, at job fairs and in recruiting centres.

Defence is bracing for an exodus of experienced soldiers in the next few years that will boost attrition from its recent annual average of six per cent.
 
Not suprising, and the sad thing is there's plenty to blame.

The Government, the DOD.. ugh, sad.  :-\
 
i find it great how they want to hire so many soldiers but then to transfer from res infantry to reg force it takes so long
 
So does this mean that with recruiting quotas not being filled and the recruters having trouble finding good aplicants that the quality of the average recruit is going to go down?
 
Well I've already talked to a recruiter from a reserve unit in toronto.

He was very helpful and I told him that I was 100% sure about joining the unit. He then went through a checklist of requirements...

I had intended to hand in an application once I turn 16 (january), but apparently, I have to get my grade ten finished before I can submit it. Sadly, that means I will miss the summer course this year. (school doesn't end until june) I am still going ahead with it, and hope to get onto a CO-OP at the start of 2007...   :blotto:


My point is, You would think that they could of let me join without my credits. I would have had them before training would have started anyways..but rules are rules..

The scary part for me is, I haven't even had a chance to have my files lost, course cancelled etc...

Though as the recruiter said, the CF isn't going anywhere (praying here) So I guess they will have this ONE soldier eventually. If anything, I think I will be even more enthusiastic and hard working...

:blotto:

 
ShawnSmith said:
My point is, You would think that they could of let me join without my credits. I would have had them before training would have started anyways..but rules are rules..

Maybe when you have your credits you will be able to figure out what is wrong with this !!
 
I agree with Aeosop081,  I am glad the CF stands by its standards.

While I agree that the CF is going to have a hard time attracting the skilled applicants they require, I don't think they should say "I guess this is it, let's pick from what is available and make do. Gotta make our numbers."

It is not the CF's fault, nor do I think it is a lack of campaigning on the part of those responsible for attracting new recruits. They could come up with a recruiting slogan that is more catchy than "Be...all that you can be", develop the most amazing recruiting posters, jingles, advertisements and videos but; I don't think the numbers are going to change. I think it is more reflective of the times we live in and the attitude of the public toward a career in the CF. While you and I are proud to be or want to be in the CF, not everybody shares that attitude and it seems to be a large percentage of the population.

What I can not stand is the "poor me" or "how dare they not chose me" attitude. Find out why, fix it and re-apply. There I vented - I have seen it too many times in here.

Let the fire come to me.

 
Gotta disagree with you on one point MG, I think our recruiting message could be a whole lot better! With the right type of ads you could have people lining up at the door, and people who want to be soldiers, want a challenge, not join team superfriend...

My favorite ones were for the Royal Marines: "Do you have the strength of mind to be a Royal Marines Commando?" then there was a picture of a recruit doing pull-ups, in a leg cast, staying fit for the next serial...   
 
I think what gets me(and a couple other people I know as well) is that they have these huge goals of recruiting X amount of people, but they are taking their time in making the calls or scheduling the testing.

If they want people, then they need to be willing to revamp how they do their recruit testing(CFAT, PT etc) so that it is all done within a decent amount of time and that you don't have people waiting 6months to a year to get in. Even those that got out and want back in are having to wait longer than what you would typically expect.
 
I know a lot of you wing nuts would like to see the PT standards and Knowledge Threshold tests a lot easier, perhaps even non-existant.  I know you don't think Security Checks of your background are important.  You are very naive to think all that.  The CF PT standards are too low as is.  The knowledge required to do the basic jobs in the CF is much higher than it was ten years ago.  Security is what this job is all about. 

Today, Cbt Arms soldiers require to be fit.  They are required to be intelligent and able to follow instructions and work with little or no supervision.  The modern Cbt Arms soldier is using very sophisticated equipment in the performance of his/her duties.  We are in a War on Terror and you will find that many Cbt Arms soldiers have higher Security Classifications than most CF members, due to the sophisticated equipment they are required to operate.  This is not a job for weaklings and dummies.  The entrance requirements must be high to get the best and not waste money trying to train people incapable of making it.  The CF is not a program for the unemployed to gain stamps for their next bout of unemployment and Pogey Cheques.  Give you head a shake.

Even the 'lesser' trades require higher standards to be set.  Lowering the standards to get trash is not what the CF needs.  So sorry Springroll.
 
If any of your post was in response to mine, let me clarify. I do not think the standards should be any lower. Not at all!!! You have to weed out the crappy people, and that is what the testing does. What I meant by revamping, is instead of having people do each test individually(as seems to be the case with me), why not book them for the day and do it all at once? Or a couple tests per day? Get the new possibles through those hoops as quickly, but throughly, as possible and get their applications through to whomever gets them next so you don't have people waiting for a phone call for a year.

In my mind, that is a good way to lose potentially valuable recruits.
 
ShawnSmith said:
I had intended to hand in an application once I turn 16 (january), but apparently, I have to get my grade ten finished before I can submit it. Sadly, that means I will miss the summer course this year. (school doesn't end until june) I am still going ahead with it, and hope to get onto a CO-OP at the start of 2007...   :blotto:

I'd ask your recruiter again. i don't think you have to have grade ten completed to sign up i think you just have to have grade 10 to do course or if not they should let you sign up and as long as you complet grade 10 before course starts
 
George Wallace said:
I know a lot of you wing nuts would like to see the PT standards and Knowledge Threshold tests a lot easier, perhaps even non-existant.  I know you don't think Security Checks of your background are important.  You are very naive to think all that.  The CF PT standards are too low as is.  The knowledge required to do the basic jobs in the CF is much higher than it was ten years ago.  Security is what this job is all about. 
I agree with you about the increased knowledge requirements, but the CF PT threshold is one that applies to everyone, CBT and non-CBT, so it's necessarily just a gauge of general health.  The trades that require higher standards (divers and infantry, for example) have higher test standards.  You shouldn't need to be able to do fifty pushups in one go to be a storesman at an Air Force base.  Would it be nice if everyone in the CF was in the top 10% of the country's most fit people?  Sure, but that's not a realistic goal.

The same could be said about the knowledge threshold test - someone who scrapes through just above the threshold isn't going to be offered a place as a communicator or a MARS officer, they're going to become a cook or steward and will likely be more than intelligent enough to do those jobs adequately.  You can make a case that certain trade thresholds should be higher, but aptitude testing is a dubious science as it is.
 
Just my 2c on the above posts regarding the need for a change in the style of advertisement. I used to make fun of our forces and never considered joining them because of the way I percieved them, mostly through the news media and the "team superfriend" advertising. Then a couple of my friends joined, spent a year or two in the reserves and told me many things that surprised me. Long story short I was just sworn in. Had I had the impression of the forces I have now I would have done this much sooner. Maybe the forces should look at presenting itself in a new light to the public.
 
CPL said:
I'd ask your recruiter again. i don't think you have to have grade ten completed to sign up i think you just have to have grade 10 to do course or if not they should let you sign up and as long as you complet grade 10 before course starts
15 High School Credits (for Ontario - equivalent number of credits in other provinces and territories). In order to apply. Minimum. Period. End of story.

 
I have to say that I haven't had any problems with the recruiting system yet - I handed my application in on a Friday, and got called for my testing on the next Monday and went for the CFAT, interview and medical on Wednesday, so I haven't had the same experience as some of the other people on this site. I'm not sure that the present recruiting system is really the problem - no system is perfect. And a lot of the delays people have should be blamed on our healthcare system, not recruiters. Having to wait to see a specialist to get the all clear isn't a fault of recruiting, like I was told "If you're not deployable, you're not employable". All steps of the recruiting process are important, and if people hit snags (as I have), it takes time to resolve issues.  :p It's no different than if you applied to the RCMP or a local police force or fire department.  There's procedures that need to be followed and standards must be maintained. The biggest challenge for recruiters is increasing the CF's appeal, and appealing to the Canadian public's dormant sense of patriotism.  :cdn:
 
CPL said:
I'd ask your recruiter again. i don't think you have to have grade ten completed to sign up i think you just have to have grade 10 to do course or if not they should let you sign up and as long as you complet grade 10 before course starts

Well that's what I was told at one point, however a unit recruiter told me bluntly. He says that the best I can do is hand in my application when I'm done grade ten, and maybe I can get on course in september.


Maybe I will have changed my mind in a years time...  :'(

 
Don't change your mind just because you don't meet the minimum eligibility requirements.....yet. Finish your Grade 10 (you will need it for the rest of your life, anyway), and spend the next year getting everything else in order. If you really want something, then go and get it!
 
You know what? That article is full of it. There's a message that people are getting when it comes to the Canadian military. The message is "America is better than Canada." Everytime I talk to somebody about our army, they ALWAYS say "yeah, but America has better guns, but america has better tanks, but america this and that."

I've conviced 11 of my friends to join the army, my girlfriend doesn't like the idea that i'm joining so she's says "are you recruiting the whole school!? it's not bad enough you're joining the army, you have to take everyone in the school down with you?" She was just joking around but I noticed something. The friends that I talked about the army too..they thought we still used the old olive camo..they thought everything we used was really old, they thought you had to be 18 to join the army reserves, and they thought that Canadas military sucked. I told them about that team of Canadian snipers (yes yes the whole world record shot), I told them about how we developed CADPAT and that the U.S. Marines liked our idea and made their own version of it called MARPAT. When they heard this, they had opened eyes and said "Really?"  I showed them pictures of our soldiers in action, our soldiers training...This is what sent them to the recruiting office. I took some of my friends there, sometimes 1-2 times a week  and the recruiter there said "Don't you have a home? (as a joke)" 

What we need is to make a new recruiting video...not that cheesy one recruiters are showing people who are interested in joining the army a video from the dark ages. We need a recruiting video that shows pride, strength, technology, training, action. Kicking down doors, explosions, pushups, sit ups,  shooting, team work...we need a video that will actually make people quit their job flipping burgers for $6.50 and do something with their lives.

I swear i've watched that recruiting video at the regiment with my friends atleast 4 times...and everytime I watched it, I noticed that everyone was kind of just sitting there sitting with blank faces.

Everyone at schools knows about me joining the army and they all ask me why, they ask "doesn't our army suck?" and I tell them everything that I tell everyone. And they end up wanting to join...so if there's any recruiters here...maybe you should bring something up about making a new recruiting video.
 
Well I do have to admit that they have or need to change the recruiting process. For example here I am 31 years of age passesed all of the required testing, blew the physical fitness test out of the water and have now been told that I am wait listed to go to the MPAC for a MP. Now this process has been going on for almost a year now. Oh yeah did I mention that I have had 3 update interviews where as the one interviewer that I had screwde up and said that I HAD done crack cocaine.. When in fact I have never ever used drugs in my life. Just my example of how well my interviwere really listened to me, my paper work and my medical exam. Oh yeah did I mention to that I have been in corrections for the past 3 years and am on the centre emergency response team and looking to get a slot on the provincial tatical team. So I ask you what exactly is the problem and why is the recruiting process taking so long when you have someone like myself that has more training more experience that perhaps half of the people applying to be an MP get in. Oh yeah by the way from the MP's I've also talked to and my interviewer and other recruits they have told me that I am over qualified with all my training and that they cannot see a reason why shouldn't selected. So here's the million dollar question whats the hold up? I hate to say it my friends but the recruiting process is the problem. Just take a look at how they do the recruiting for municipal police forces and learn from them.

Well anyhow that's my little rant about the recruiting process and that it truely does need to be changed...
>:D
 
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