My guess is they were going in uniform. I can't see many bringing a change of clothing for after the training night.Jim Seggie said:And how was/is this legal?
bcbarman said:If you want to drink with the troops, bring a case of beer to a neutral location or go to a pub.
NFLD Sapper said:That being said, guess you haven't been to CFS ST.JOHN'S then as both the SNCO and Officers mess has been combined for many years and seems to be working all right.....
Jim Seggie said:And how was/is this legal?
PuckChaser said:That's the military factor in your pay. Much like being ordered to attend and pay for a mess dinner.
I'm sure officers get enough money, they can cover the mess kit cost. I did it as a MCpl with 2 kids and a car payment, its not that expensive.
Eye In The Sky said:That is actually not correct; you can be ordered to attend a mess dinner, but not to pay for it. You could sit there like an idiot while every eats and has a great time around you, but you can't be ordered to pay. (However, I don't know anyone who has ever done that and I hope I never meet someone who is 'that kind' of person :nod
But, that isn't the issue, whether they can afford it. It is the validity in making it a requirement to have, and expecting the member to pay out of pocket for it. For you (and I) it was optional and we both did it, but that was our choice.
What could the CAF do, reasonably, to someone who said "no, I will not spend $1700 of my own money on a uniform". It is lawful to order someone to pay $1700 of their own money on something required for use by the military? Because if the military told me "you are going on this trip but you have to pay for your hotels yourself"...I wouldn't be going on that trip. Why is a mess kit any different? If it is truly a requirement, why it is not provided by the Crown?
Hamish Seggie said:Which will probably be denied despite any regulation that says it can’t be denied.
Eaglelord17 said:You could also make the same argument about Mess Dues. Why should members be forced to pay Mess Dues when it is a requirement to be a part of a Mess?
Eye In The Sky said:The counter-argument might be different; if people stop buying mess kits, Andrea's will feel it. If people stop paying mess dues, entire Mess's would close in short order (IMO).
Mess membership (which comes with dues) are a requirement for ALL CAF mbr's, though. Mess kits only apply to the smaller % in sheer numbers; Reg Force Commissioned Officers.