Don't let this happen[must read]

[Scott]

Not for cadets it isn't.

For regular soldiers, its castrating them! The current climate does not allow soldiers to soldier...This kinder, gentler army is detrimental to a fighting force. SHARP contributes negatively to that. This whole notion that we are a nation of peacekeepers is a load of hogwash. If a soldier can't fight then he/she certainly can't peacekeep.

The other side of the coin, of course, is that the govt. has to grow a pair of balls and stop this political correctness crap that is slowly strangling the CF.

AYE!!!!

 

[MikeM]

Excellent story Jungle!

 

[Jungle]

The problem is, we have a lot of people like Johnny's mom in the Military. I'm not talking about their mom, I'm talking about the members themselves. How often do you hear things like "I'm not in the Infantry" or "this is Army shit, I'm a technician". They don't want to go to the field, They don't want to train hard. Hell, I know friends who escorted SVC BATT convoys in Bosnia, in the mid-90s, who discovered that the Loggies had removed their firing pin from their rifle to avoid having an AD. This is the kind of attitude that is prevalent in a number of units in our Military.
People want the static, cushy posting, wear the uniform as little as possible, don't work out, don't go to the field, but are not ashamed to pick up their pay.
Don't be Johnny either, he whined to his mom and got this started...

 

[George Wallace]

The problem is, we have a lot of people like Johnny's mom in the Military...... I'm talking about the members themselves. ......... I know friends who escorted SVC BATT convoys in Bosnia, in the mid-90s, who discovered that the Loggies had removed their firing pin from their rifle to avoid having an AD. ................

I can only shake my head in disbelief.

GW

 

[Scott]

Was there any recourse for their actions Jungle?

Like say, a hard slap?

 

[Slim]

SVC BATT convoys in Bosnia, in the mid-90s, who discovered that the Loggies had removed their firing pin from their rifle to avoid having an AD

Are you completely serious?! I've heard stories of some police officers going on duty with an unloaded firearm...But this...this is a warzone and those people may have had to defend themselves with their personel weapon!

That action, in and of itself, should have been a chargeable offence!

Disgusting...

Slim

 

[Blindspot]

I ended up shaking my head in bewilderment Cadet training is now more like what my brother did as a Boy Scout. Every yr that my son spent in Cadets at the start of a new training yr, each Cadet had to participate in C.H.A.P.S (cadet harrassment abuse prevention s???)

It's called "feminization" and it's been happening everywhere (school, scouts, sports, military, workplace, politics) to boys and young men for at least a couple generations.

 

[Slim]

It's called "feminization"

Although I agree with you for the most part, you might wish to watch how you phraze things...We have our own version of SHARPE here and you may get chewed on for saying that...

Just a friendly thought.

Slim

 

[Blindspot]

We have our own version of SHARPE here and you may get chewed on for saying that...

SHARPE?

 

[Jarnhamar]

"he can't be gay, he's an indian"

 

[sgt_mandal]

each Cadet had to participate in C.H.A.P.S (cadet harassment abuse prevention s???)

It's actually CHAP(P) (some people put the extra P on the end others don't), Cadet Harassment and Abuse Prevention Programme. Just in case you were wondering.

 

[Korus]

I did my reserve BMQ just over 2 years ago now, and I must say one of the biggest shocks I've had in the army was.... how lax and PC it was. I was expecting it to be MUCH worse. To be honest, I didn't really begin to feel like a soldier (albeit a part time soldier) until my SQ, which was more "army-like', for lack of a better expression, but still had some of the problems mentioned.

 

[PTE Gruending]

In my brief experience in the 'Mo, I have never actually heard of anyone being charged or getting into trouble based on the SHARP protocols which are now in place. Perhaps anecdotes from other users on this forum can serve to prove SHARP's validity or its stupidity, I do not know....

However as far as a mindset, I have split opinions on Canada's lack of 'espirit du core' (sp?). I am sure we have all witnessed enough television and movies to see the marching cadence's, philosophies, and the like being reinforced into American recruits, "There is nothing more dangerous than a Marine and his rifle", "Spirit of the Bayonet - KILL KILL KILL with cold blue STEEL!", "What makes the grass grow green?? BLOOD BLOOD BLOOD". You all know where I am going with this. Does this lack of a philosophy have a negative effect on our morale? Or does the lack of said motto's and philosophies seperate us from our more bloodthirsty compatriots - we are the most requested peacekeepers in the world after all.

Of all the PC issues in the Army today, nothing bugs me more than the fact that you can be completely incompetant, yet still pass or even excel in courses. Not only the incompetent, insubordinate, or unmotivated be discharged in their basic training, but recruits should have certain fitness, intelligence, and competency standards to ensure that only the upper echelons make it back to their unit. Perhaps CFRC does a certain amount of screening to weed out the weak or inept, however it would be nice to see people graduate courses glad that they "made it". Certainly my BMQ 2+ years ago, 25-35% of the recruits had no business being in the military, and probably I would only want the top 40% beside my if the $#$# hit the fan....

 

[Korus]

On the flip side of the coin, a lot of the people on my BMQ who didn't quite belong in the CF, but made it through, have already left the army..

 

[ackland]

In my brief experience in the 'Mo, I have never actually heard of anyone being charged or getting into trouble based on the SHARP protocols which are now in place. Perhaps anecdotes from other users on this forum can serve to prove SHARP's validity or its stupidity, I do not know....

However as far as a mindset, I have split opinions on Canada's lack of 'espirit du core' (sp?). I am sure we have all witnessed enough television and movies to see the marching cadence's, philosophies, and the like being reinforced into American recruits, "There is nothing more dangerous than a Marine and his rifle", "Spirit of the Bayonet - KILL KILL KILL with cold blue STEEL!", "What makes the grass grow green?? BLOOD BLOOD BLOOD". You all know where I am going with this. Does this lack of a philosophy have a negative effect on our morale? Or does the lack of said motto's and philosophies seperate us from our more bloodthirsty compatriots - we are the most requested peacekeepers in the world after all.

Of all the PC issues in the Army today, nothing bugs me more than the fact that you can be completely incompetant, yet still pass or even excel in courses. Not only the incompetent, insubordinate, or unmotivated be discharged in their basic training, but recruits should have certain fitness, intelligence, and competency standards to ensure that only the upper echelons make it back to their unit. Perhaps CFRC does a certain amount of screening to weed out the weak or inept, however it would be nice to see people graduate courses glad that they "made it". Certainly my BMQ 2+ years ago, 25-35% of the recruits had no business being in the military, and probably I would only want the top 40% beside my if the $#$# hit the fan....

Does this mean you are no longer a member of the CF or are you now Regs?

I was just wondering what you based your opinion on.

 

[the 48th regulator]

The problem is, we have a lot of people like Johnny's mom in the Military. I'm not talking about their mom, I'm talking about the members themselves. How often do you hear things like "I'm not in the Infantry" or "this is Army crap, I'm a technician". They don't want to go to the field, They don't want to train hard. heck, I know friends who escorted SVC BATT convoys in Bosnia, in the mid-90s, who discovered that the Loggies had removed their firing pin from their rifle to avoid having an AD. This is the kind of attitude that is prevalent in a number of units in our Military.
People want the static, cushy posting, wear the uniform as little as possible, don't work out, don't go to the field, but are not ashamed to pick up their pay.
Don't be Johnny either, he whined to his mom and got this started...

You got it Jungle, I wouldn't be pissed at johnny's Mommy, the blame lies completely on Johnny.   If I may borrow a line I used many a time when I tought, I would love to bring Johnny's mom down to and make her do pushups.   Not for complaining to the higher ups, but, for raising a whining little baby that cries to his mum when times are tough.

amen

Tess