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Canada's New (Conservative) Foreign Policy

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So.....Im the only one here who thinks its crap that he flaunted the "rules" like that? I must be missing something....

*edit*

To flesh out my comment so its more than a drive by-

What I mean to say is:

- It would appear from the news stories that he didn't bother answer the question as to WHY he made the changes he did. The optics are poor- taking out the name of a building because you disagree with the politics of the person its named after. When your cards, albeit only 400 bucks, cost more than twice what everyone else gets I dont think its unreasonable to for the tax payer to ask why. I myself hate the card requirements. My business cards were priced twice as expensive as well- but I paid the difference. I dont think thats unreasonable for a conservative politician.

- Ignoring the the requirements for business cards that are paid for by the Crown. It mentions that he sought an exemption- what purpose does the exemption serve? If the business card requirements are so poor that we need exemptions perhaps a change to the rules is in order.

The coat of arms is nice as well- is it unreasonable that when someone who works for Canada to have to have Canada on their card? If so the rule should be changed, if not- it should apply to everyone.

Its alot of attention paid to business cards for sure but its the thought process involved in the decision Im concerned about. I dont believe its unfair to ask why and expect an answer.

So when I say "I must be missing something" I mean- folks must have seen an article with a reasonable explanation that I have missed.

Now back to mute
 
Container said:
So.....Im the only one here who thinks its crap that he flaunted the "rules" like that? I must be missing something....

You take offence to so many things, I think most have just decided to ignore you of late.
 
fair enough- although I went back over my posts and I dont see where Im taking offence.....perhaps the voluteer firefighter thread.

I'll put myself on mute for a while.
 
cupper said:
That's my point. It's not like me going to a meeting with other engineers, contractors or DOT employees, where they may not have my contact info, but have need to get in touch with me over various projects. This man is Canada's representative to the rest of the world. Any meeting with other foreign ministers or secretaries of state, ambassadors, etc. would have been arranged months in advance, and the principles would have been fully briefed by aides and so forth.

Why would he need a business card?

He does meet other people, that are not foreign ministers or secretaries of state, ambassadors, etc. You realize that, don't you?
 
When, about 20 years ago, I worked very closely with a minister and his staff (not the MND) we (the staff) each carried a supply of his cards, along with our own.

We stapled his card to every copy of his official 'brief' to a major global conference - a document that was in some demand - and we passed them out to a considerable number of "captains of industry" from around the world who actually wanted to know who our "head man" might be. I also kept a handful of small photos of the minister, just for those "captains of industry." They were pleased at my having foreseen their desire to have both contact information and a picture. They could have asked their own staffs but it made more sense to ask Canadians about the Canadian minister. A lot of work was done "in the hallways" at these conferences and when our minister was "working the crowd" a team of senior officials hovered nearby, at his beck and call, top help him out when one of those "captains of industry" or an equally senior official from another country asked a (too) technical question.

Do you know who this man is?
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There is a good chance that this man,
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doesn't know himwell, either. But he wants to know who he is, what his name is, what his title is and so on when they do meet.
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The man in the upper picture is The Honourable Christian Paradis, Minister of Industry; he matters to Geesung Choi but the two only 'meet' on very rare occasions.
 
Infanteer said:
It's so he can drop it in the box at Subway for a chance to win a free party sub.

:facepalm: Why didn't I think of that?!?!?! lol

I know if I showed up at any function without the approved format and content (look and feel wise) business cards, I would be hearing about it.
Larger than that, most in the business community know the rules just as well as we do (some don't care as much {as we should}, but they still know them). I would be disregarded as a bit of a clown and the chance of getting much respect (or of successfully closing deals) would be diminished.

Maybe "trust" and "competency" are not really required to operate at that level.

Wook
 
recceguy said:
He does meet other people, that are not foreign ministers or secretaries of state, ambassadors, etc. You realize that, don't you?

Yeah. I do.

I guess since he now has to fly commercial instead of the Gov't jet, people may mistake him for some ordinary tourist.
 
cupper said:
Yeah. I do.

I guess since he now has to fly commercial instead of the Gov't jet, people may mistake him for some ordinary tourist.
You do realize that sometimes high Government officials can't book flights via West Jet to destinations they don't fly to? Or that MAYBE this particular officials' time is valuable . We're speaking of the Minister of Foreign Affairs......not some public servant.

Your snobbery is becoming unbearable.
 
Jim Seggie said:
You do realize that sometimes high Government officials can't book flights via West Jet to destinations they don't fly to? Or that MAYBE this particular officials' time is valuable . We're speaking of the Minister of Foreign Affairs......not some public servant.

Your snobbery is becoming unbearable.

:sorry:

That last comment was meant to be ironic humour, not snobbery.
 
Jim Seggie said:
Then I am sorry I didn't pick up on that!! Cheers! :cheers:

My fault. I should have added a suitable smilie.
 
Another Harper/Conservative principled stand, according to this article which is reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions of the Copyright Act from the Globe and Mail:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/harpers-stand-on-sri-lanka-is-just-not-cricket/article2215265/
Harper’s stand on Sri Lanka is just not cricket

CAMPBELL CLARK | Columnist profile
Globe and Mail Update

Last updated Thursday, Oct. 27, 2011

On Australia’s western shore, Prime Minister Stephen Harper is upsetting the Commonwealth tea party.

It’s not just that he declared that Sri Lanka’s human-rights record, so far, would make it an unfit host for the 2013 Commonwealth summit. It’s that those statements have made Sri Lanka something of an example for the broader debate on whether the Commonwealth will enforce standards on human rights and democracy.

Mr. Harper is now in Perth, Australia, for the summit of leaders from Commonwealth countries – Britain, India, South Africa, Canada and 50 others. So is the Queen, for this is the club of countries once under the British Empire. But the sun will soon set on it if it can’t muster polite inquiries more than every two years about egregious abuses in its midst.

Mr. Harper, like his colleagues from Britain, Australia, and Malta, want to see the Commonwealth deal more directly with countries engaged in repression and rights abuses. They want a human-rights and democracy commissioner, but countries such as India and South Africa are opposed.

Mr. Harper’s threats that he might boycott Sri Lanka’s 2013 summit have worried even some on his side, who don’t want a donnybrook. Britain doesn’t want this summit to be an argument over the next host. Current host Australia wants everyone to get along. Prime Minister Julia Gillard, forced to discuss it, said allegations of abuses in Sri Lanka must be addressed, but the country’s role as the next host won’t be revisited, and each member will decide whether they will attend.

It might seem the Commonwealth’s stance on human rights isn’t going to change the world, anyway. It’s not a treaty organization, or alliance, or the UN. Its only sanction is kicking a country out. But countries obviously want to be part of the club. Those that were suspended, like South Africa for apartheid and Pakistan for a coup, kicked and screamed and sought to get back in. Now Sri Lanka wants to avoid the hint that it might eventually face the same fate.

Sri Lanka denies abuses, but a UN panel found credible allegations of civil-war shelling of hospitals and civilians and post-war torture of displaced people in camps. Trotting to Colombo if nothing changes would be ridiculous, said Tory Senator Hugh Segal, a member of a Commonwealth “eminent-persons” panel on reforms. “You cannot have thousands of people disappear at the end of a war without having some kind of close-focus assessment of what transpired,” he said.

That issue is now mixed into the debate about the Commonwealth’s future, about a more active role in addressing coups and repression, rather than waiting for a summit every two years to consider expulsion.

A committee of Commonwealth ministers wants rules so it can review a member’s actions after events such as a coup. The eminent persons group has proposed a full-time commissioner to look into abuses and discuss them with the country, and report back to Commonwealth foreign ministers. In other words, the commissioner will set a watch. The point, Mr. Segal argues, is that problems hopefully won’t “fester” until the Commonwealth must choose to kick the country out.

There are opponents – India, South Africa and Sri Lanka among them. But the summit has also seen many Commonwealth-lovers predicting it will die without reforms. “It would be a terrible shame if we let it fall apart because it became completely irrelevant and disconnected,” Mr. Segal said.

It’s never been the world’s most potent organization, but Canada usually liked it enough because it has a pretty high profile in discussions with 50 leaders. But if it can’t ask about torture and oppression in its midst more than every two years, it won’t meet 21st-century standards of usefulness when there’s six other summits a year. And there’ll be no point to tea parties in Colombo.

Campbell Clark writes about foreign affairs from Ottawa


This follows along neatly from Canada's boycott of the most recent Durban meeting on the grounds that it is nothing but a UN sanctioned hate-fest. Given the sorry state of human rights in too many Commonwealth countries I hope Canada continues to speak out and to act by boycotting the 2013 summit in Sri Lanka and, as necessary, future summits in our countries with suspect human rights records.
 
It might seem the Commonwealth's stance on human rights isn't going to change the world, anyway. It's not a treaty organization, or alliance, or the UN
Yes. The UN's track record...human rights....  ::)

I agree, it's up to individual nations, like Canada, to step up to the plate and be heard. The larger the organization, the more cat-herding requirement for consensus brings it down to the lowest, least effective, common denominator.
 
I am quite pleased with the stance Prime Minister Harper took at the Commonwealth summit in Australia:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/limited-progress-on-commonwealths-human-rights-reforms-after-summit/article2219056/
Prime Minister Stephen Harper expressed frustration at the slow, bureaucratic pace of reform, but nonetheless refused to sound off on an organization he says “remains relevant and effective.”

“Realistically I don't think you can expect to drop 106 recommendations on leaders with a few weeks notice and expect all of them are going to be accepted in the space of a weekend,” Mr. Harper said at a post-summit news conference, before embarking on the long, 30-hour flight home to Canada.

Nonetheless, Harper's patience for the Commonwealth's worst offenders appeared limited.

Canadian officials said Harper walked out of the summit when Sri Lankan President Mahinda Rajapaksa, the host of the next biennial Commonwealth leaders' summit in Colombo in 2013, was invited to speak to the assembled leaders Sunday.

Harper had said coming into the 2011 meeting that he would boycott Sri Lanka's meeting if human rights abuses linked to the bloody end of the Tamil insurgency there were not investigated.

The Commonwealth is one thing: 54 members, a full 1/3 of which are functioning democracies; but La Francophonie is another: 56 members and 19 observers, of which you can count the democratic "members" on one hand.

Will we be able to toe the same line when La Francophonie meets?
 
This article, reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions of the Copyright Act from the Ottawa Citizen points up one of the constant dilemmas of Canadian foreign policy:

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/business/Canada+left+sidelines+emerging+trade+body/5701750/story.html
Canada left on sidelines of emerging trade body

By Jason Fekete, Postmedia News November 12, 2011

HONOLULU — The Harper government says it's interested in joining the emerging Trans-Pacific Partnership trade group that's being heralded by the Obama administration, but Ottawa acknowledges Canada's attempts to gain access to the club are being resisted by some countries.

Several Canadian business groups are calling on the Conservative government to join the nascent Trans-Pacific Partnership, but Canada’s supply management system for less than 20,000 Canadian dairy and poultry farmers appears to be the major impediment.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper and leaders from Pacific Rim countries are in Honolulu for the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit, but it was a meeting that Canada wasn’t invited to on Saturday that’s one of the most notable on the agenda.

Harper held a series of bilateral tete-a-tetes with leaders from one economic powerhouse and two emerging economies — meeting Chinese President Hu Jintao, Chilean President Sebastian Pinera and Peruvian President Ollanta Humala — as well as hosting a roundtable discussion with the Canadian members of the APEC business advisory council.

However, it was a gathering of leaders from nine Asia-Pacific countries, including the United States, in the emerging TPP that seemed to be the club that everyone wanted in on — but Canada isn’t a member and is not being welcomed with open arms.

“We are looking at the Trans-Pacific Partnership. We have expressed interest inbeing part of that process, but we will only do so if that process is in the best interests of Canadians,” International Trade Minister Ed Fast told reporters Saturday in Honolulu.

“There has been some resistance and suggestions that we should be pre-negotiating our entry to the Trans-Pacific Partnership. We have made it very clear that Canada will not pre-negotiate. We believe all of those issues should be discussed at the negotiating table,” Fast added.

U.S. President Barack Obama announced the broad outlines of the agreement Saturday following a meeting of the members in the TPP, which the White House calls the “next generation” and “landmark” agreement for economic integration in Asia-Pacific region.

Canada’s entry into the TPP is being blocked by some countries — observers argue it’s the U.S. and New Zealand — because the government refuses to budge on its supply management system for fewer than 20,000 dairy and poultry farmers.

The system protects farmers behind tariffs, assigns them production quotas and forces Canadians to pay higher prices for products like milk, cheese, chicken and eggs.

Japan announced Friday it was entering negotiations into the TPP and appears willing to dismantle some of its tariff walls for rice and grain farmers. Canada isn’t convinced — at least for now — it’s the right deal.

“At this point in time we have not made the determination that it is in Canada’s best interests to join these negotiations,” Fast added. “We’ve made it very clear time and time again that our government will defend our system of supply management, we have not changed our position on that.”

Harper, who along with Fast met with Canadian members of the APEC business advisory council, said Canada’s future economic success is largely tied to the Pacific Rim.

“Canada’s growth is already significantly influenced positively by growth in Asia,” Harper told reporters. “Asia is already an important part of the growth we’ve had in trade and the creation of jobs in recent years, and obviously we are looking at ways of increasing that in the future.”

Around the same time, Obama was announcing the broad strokes of the Trans-Pacific Partnership, saying he’s “confident” the TPP members can complete the free-trade agreement and have it serve as a model for future pacts.

“With nearly 500 million consumers between us, there is so much more we can do together,” Obama said on the sidelines of the APEC summit.

“Together we can boost exports, create more goods available for our consumers, create new jobs, and compete and win in the markets of the future.”

The Trans-Pacific Partnership is currently a nine-member Asia-Pacific regional trade agreement being negotiated among the United States, Australia, Brunei, Chile, Malaysia, New Zealand, Peru, Singapore and Vietnam. Japan would make it 10 members.

The broader goal is to create a tariff-free region and members view it as a critical multilateral agreement, particularly with the ongoing troubles from the Doha Round of World Trade Organization negotiations.

Back in Canada, the head of Canadian Manufacturers & Exporters, the country’s largest industry and trade organization, said he’s hoping the federal government will enter TPP negotiations and not let supply management block potential discussions.

“It’s important for Canada to be a part of the TPP,” said Jayson Myers, CEO of the Canadian Manufacturers & Exporters. “I don’t think entering into the trade negotiations means we need to dismantle supply management. Let’s be a part of the negotiations.”

The Harper government has been trumpeting the benefits of increased trade throughout Asia-Pacific, including less expensive consumer goods and new Canadian jobs.

The Conservatives have made Asia a priority since coming to power in 2006, with roughly 40 ministerial visits to China alone. Bilateral trade with China has tripled since 2001, totalling nearly $58 billion last year, and the country is now Canada’s second-largest trading partner behind only the U.S.

Canada has also been negotiating foreign investment and protection agreements with China and India, which the government expects will increase two-way trade.

The TPP, observers argue, would be an important club for marketing Canada’s agricultural crops and vast natural resources to a region growing in economic and political clout.

“The Canadians have in recent years been pretty MIA (missing in action) when it comes to the Asia-Pacific. Part of it is the fact that we are frozen out of the Trans-Pacific Partnership,” explained Kim Richard Nossal, a specialist in Canada-U.S. relations and director of the Centre for International and Defence Policy at Queen’s University.

“The fact that Canada is on the sidelines is a significant problem.”

A report recently published by the Canadian Council of Chief Executives and Canada China Business Council said the Conservative government must be more engaged across the Asia-Pacific region.

“Canada has a reputation in Asia of showing up there but not being serious about establishing long-term relationships,” said the report.

It said having Canada join the TPP would be the “most efficient” way for the country to sew stronger economic ties with Asian countries — but only if the Harper government reforms Canada’s supply management system and improves the relatively lax enforcement of intellectual property.

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First point: policy, any and all policy, always has a political component ~ sometimes domestic politics is the biggest component in foreign policy.

Second point: for at least 100 years - think of Laurier and the 1911 general election in which the Navy and free trade played key roles - domestic politics has driven foreign affairs. This led us, in 1947, to enunciate, clearly and properly and about 50 year later than necessary, a sound basis for our foreign policy - see Louis St Laurent's Duncan & John Gray Memorial Lecture at U of T. National unity was St Laurent's first point.

Third Point: Anyone who follows my musings will know that I favour full, free trade with East Asia and that I do not regard China as a current or even potential enemy. But, in this case, I support the Canadian government's stand.

Fourth Point: Anyone who follows my musings will know that I favour learning to govern without Québec - not against Québec, just with (relatively) little representation from that province because I see a divide between "Old Canada" (everything East of the Ottawa River and "New Canada" (everything West of the Ottawa River) (not my original idea, by the way, but I now forget who gave me that simple vision, I think it may have been Michael Bliss) and I am convinced that "New Canada's" interests must prevail over those of "old Canada."

The issue is supply management - something I abhor on a variety of (good) grounds. But supply management is important, indeed politically vital to Québec and Québec has taken quite enough "hits" this year between the general election and, more recently, seat redistribution proposals. Domestically the PQ has been rocked back on its heels but Jean Charest, "summer soldier" federalist though he may be, is not secure. Québec doesn't need a supply management debate.

Who, in the TPP (Trans Pacific Partnership) is against us? My guess is:

1. The USA - because supply management is a real, festering issue for them; and

2. Australia - they also dislike supply management, on principle, but they are more concerned with growing Canadian competition in markets which they have, traditionally, regarded as being in their "back yard."

What should we do? Noting, for the moment, but press on, very aggressively, with free trade deals with China, India (ongoing), Singapore (ongoing), Malaysia, Japan, South Korea (ongoing) and, separately from China, Hong Kong. Don't worry about trade deals with Africa, Europe and Latin America - pursue them, just not with any particular intensity; focus on Asia - where the people and money can be found.

 
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/defence-minister-says-he-will-speak-with-israel-about-reported-plans-to-attack-iran/article2234766/


Just found this. Is Iran next?
 
IF Israel decides that it needs to attack Iran it will hope for tacit support from Canada. Israel knows that the USA, the Obama administration, will passively oppose an attack but they are counting on the fact that it will not act, in any way, to prevent, interfere with or punish Israel for it.
 
E.R. Campbell said:
......Don't worry about trade deals with ...Europe .....

Which Europe would that be?

With respect to supply management: I believe that problem will go away in the not so distant future.

A previous employer of mine who I prefer not to name is one of the biggest and oldest dairy co-ops in Quebec.  Their membership are the heart and soul of supply management in Canada.  In recent years they have made major investments in the US and Argentina.  The resulting change in perceptions with respect to profitability and opportunity is ongoing.

At some point the penny will drop that the Chinese and Indians eat cheese.....

Right now good farming land in Quebec, in the Eastern Townships, La Beauce and the Saguenay, is being kept out of dairy production because of the supply management system. 
 
Canadian, read mainly PQ dairy farmers, are the richest in the world according to some info I have read. Dairy products are at least double the US prices. Same with chicken.
 
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