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Where has Canada's Military Gone?

IN HOC SIGNO said:
Did we re-open an old building or build a new one?

We are currently leasing a portion of the old RCMP building in Penticton, cells included. It isn't really adequate for what we need to do (no indoor drill hall, no vehicle compound) but at least it gives us a presence in the city which is better than nothing.
 
IN HOC SIGNO said:
RCAF Station Pennfield Ridge

Wow. Glad to see someone other than myself has interest with Pennfield Ridge. I'm in the midst of a research project on Pennfield Ridge and also the former Army CITC base of Camp Utopia (A-30) which was located to the northwest of the airfield. Just out of curiousity, where did you gather your details on the airfield?
 
J.Gaudet said:
Wow. Glad to see someone other than myself has interest with Pennfield Ridge. I'm in the midst of a research project on Pennfield Ridge and also the former Army CITC base of Camp Utopia (A-30) which was located to the northwest of the airfield. Just out of curiousity, where did you gather your details on the airfield?

Fron the RCAF museum website. I passed by there a few times when I was out motorcycling and wondered about it. Some locals told me it was a former RCAF Air Station.
 
The Usual Disclaimer:
City could lose Bomarc missile; Local landmark tied to role in Cold War
Dave Dale
Local News - Saturday, July 21, 2007 @ 08:00

North Bay may lose one of its historical landmarks if the United States Air Force reclaims the Bomarc missile in Veteran's Park.

A reliable source told The Nugget Friday the last remaining example of the Cold War weapon deployed in North Bay from 1962 to 1972 to guard against Russian attack will be gone within a month.

Jamie Houston, director of city parks and recreation, was unavailable Friday to confirm the news.

A telephone call to the public affairs department at 22 Wing Canadian Forces Base North Bay was not returned.

The Department of Homeland Security, which controls the continental war on terrorism and may have interest in a moth-balled technology that carried nuclear warheads, directed questions to the United States Air Force..........................
http://www.nugget.ca/webapp/sitepages/content.asp?contentid=621532&catname=Local%20News&classif=
 
I guess Edmonton will lose theirs as well if it comes to pass. Yes, that's right....there is one in Edmonton as well, down by the Center City Airport.

Hate to burst their little bubble but North Bay does not have the only one.

I guess terrorists in Canada will have the resources to not only steal them off their pedestals, but to also refurbish them to running state and get the guidance systems off the black market as well as the payload.

Perhaps the real reason is they weren't the property of Canada in the first place and the US doesn't want a lawsuit if a piece of the rotting missile falls and hits someone.

Regards
 
This fails the say what test. Before any artifact or trophy is put on display, it is stripped or immobilized so that it can not be put back into service by a third party. To suggest that the hulk of a Bomarc is a potential threat seems far fetched at best.

Somebody, somewhere, has too much free time.
 
Wasn't there a case of a  F-86 Sabrejet being welded back together and sold to a private individual ?

Perhaps it is this fear that drives some of the Homeland Security thinking?
 
Here's a few old BCATP bases that I drive by occasionally in Brant, Haldimand, and Norfolk counties.

42° 55' 42.68" N    80° 07' 22.48" W          #16 SFTS Hagersville
42° 52' 28.63" N    79° 35' 44.75" W          #6  SFTS Dunnville (this is now a racetrack)
43° 03' 14.4"  N      80° 16' 35.00" W          #1 relief field for #5 SFTS Brantford (it's located in Burtch, Ont. It used to be a jail, but it has been closed within the last few years, and now the Six Nations have claimed it as part of their land claims)

There's also the former #1 B&G School that was located at Jarvis, but it has unfortunately been demolished and built over with a refinery by Imperial Oil.
 
What a lot of memories this thread brought back!

I grew up not far from CFB Rivers, camped with my family at the Lake, and met many families from The Base!

Got to do Navy New Entry Training at Beautiful Cornwallis by the Sea, CFS Mill Cove was my working base. I was at Rockcliff for dance training for the 1967 Tattoo.

As a Reserve, at 746 (Calgary) Comm Sqn, spent a couple of weekend exercises in the bunker at Penhold

There was a WWII base south of Estevan, SK. There was air training during the war at Brandon, too, and A4 Barracks was in Brandon - my Dad trained there, Shilo and in Winnipeg - Osborne Barracks, about 4 blocks or so from where I now live.

:cdn:
Hawk
 
Baden  Guy said:
Wasn't there a case of a  F-86 Sabrejet being welded back together and sold to a private individual ?  Perhaps it is this fear that drives some of the Homeland Security thinking? 

Id like to see where youre going with this - you're suggesting someone could put back together an old F-86 and.... ? 

What could it be used for, that a similiar aircraft hijacked at a local airport couldnt be leased, bought, or stolen for, at a lower level of cost and effort? 
 
GreyMatter said:
Id like to see where youre going with this - you're suggesting someone could put back together an old F-86 and.... ? 

What could it be used for, that a similiar aircraft hijacked at a local airport couldnt be leased, bought, or stolen for, at a lower level of cost and effort? 

My comment was in the context of "old Sweat's" remark

"This fails the say what test. Before any artifact or trophy is put on display, it is stripped or immobilized so that it can not be put back into service by a third party. To suggest that the hulk of a Bomarc is a potential threat seems far fetched at best. "


 
Anyone know why or care to speculate why the Americans would want this rustly old BOMARC back?


Shared with the usual disclaimers etc...copyright

http://www.nugget.ca/webapp/sitepages/content.asp?contentid=621532&catname=Local+News

City could lose Bomarc missile; Local landmark tied to role in Cold War

Dave Dale

Saturday, July 21, 2007 - 08:00

Local News - North Bay may lose one of its historical landmarks if the United States Air Force reclaims the Bomarc missile in Veteran's Park.

A reliable source told The Nugget Friday the last remaining example of the Cold War weapon deployed in North Bay from 1962 to 1972 to guard against Russian attack will be gone within a month.

Jamie Houston, director of city parks and recreation, was unavailable Friday to confirm the news.

A telephone call to the public affairs department at 22 Wing Canadian Forces Base North Bay was not returned.

The Department of Homeland Security, which controls the continental war on terrorism and may have interest in a moth-balled technology that carried nuclear warheads, directed questions to the United States Air Force.

And an e-mail inquiry to the U.S. Air Force News Service through its Air Force Link web page was redirected to Air Force Space Command.

But Bob Studholme, chairman of Project Flanders which has organized the refurbishment of historical military monuments in the city, said he wasn't surprised to hear the missile might be on the way out.

Studholme said his group approached the city four years ago about bringing the Bomarc up to its original look, but was told the U.S. Air Force would have to approve the project.

"They were talking about taking it back years and years ago," he said, noting one in Newfoundland was dismantled in 1990.

"The only one left standing is in North Bay."

Studholme said he was told by city staff last fall they would know more this spring about what the U.S. Air Force wants to do with the missile.

"I've been working to paint it and get it back to look like it once did . . . to doctor it up to make it look like the CF-100 across the road."

He said it's doubtful the U.S. wants it back due to any terrorism threat, but he said the missile is "evidently corroding from inside out."

A city source who spoke on condition of anonymity said the rumours of the deteriorating missile posing a health hazard due to lingering radiation are unfounded.

There were 28 missiles located at the former Bomarc Missile Base - where the Canadore College helicopter program was formerly located - under control at the time of the Royal Canadian Air Force 446 Squadron surface-to-air missile unit. The squadron was eventually integrated into the Canadian Armed Forces

The North Bay Kiwanis Club erected the Bomarc historical memorial in 1979.
 
"The only one left standing is in North Bay."

Strictly speaking, this isn't true.  There's one here in Edmonton at the Aviation Museum on Kingsway.  It used to stand in Churchill Park on the Garrision.  I have no idea what (if anything) is inside the fuselage, though.
 
Recce By Death said:
I guess Edmonton will lose theirs as well if it comes to pass. Yes, that's right....there is one in Edmonton as well, down by the Center City Airport.

Hate to burst their little bubble but North Bay does not have the only one.

Merged both threads...oh,and have to add this. I finally beat Teddy!        ;D

Regards
 
Update:
The Usual Disclaimer:
http://www.nugget.ca/webapp/sitepages/content.asp?contentid=649010&catname=Local%20News&classif=
Base interested in keeping missile; Correspondence raises questions about removal
Dave Dale
Local News - Saturday, August 11, 2007 @ 08:00
The historic Bomarc missile displayed at Veterans Park for three decades is pointing in the right direction for its new home if Canadian Forces Base North Bay gets its way.

Maj. Bruno Villeneuve, administrative officer at 22 Wing, is the point man attempting to transfer ownership of the Cold War artifact from the National Museum of the United States Air Force.

And Capt. Cynthia Elia, of the 22 Wing public affairs office, said the base museum has expressed "absolute interest" in keeping the missile from leaving the area.

The Bomarc, one of 28 missiles formerly armed with nuclear warheads to help repel a Russian attack on North America, has been in the care of the city since 1978. The Kiwanis Club of North Bay erected the monument to honour the city's role in continental defence.

Loan of the Bomarc is being terminated sometime this month due to the deteriorating condition of the magnesium-thorium plates on the fuselage which offered light-weight strength.
Thorium naturally emits radiation and puts the Bomarc under the United States Environmental Protection Act, requiring cautious legal and technical controls.

The U.S. museum had pulled the missiles from its static display program and initially recalled the North Bay Bomarc in 1995.

An extension was given to keep the missile here for display and a special paint was applied 12 years ago to slow the erosion, but little else was done.

Correspondence between the city and museum states that human health risks are possible if the magnesium-thorium plates are sanded, cut or drilled.

There is some controversy about whether the museum decided to take back the missile or if the city requested the museum take it off its hands.

The issue arose after Project Flanders, the group which restored the CF-100 fighter jet in Lee Park nearby, asked the city last year if it could head up a project to restore the missile.

In a letter to the city dated July 23, the senior curator of the U.S. museum, Terry Aitken, references the advanced state of deterioration and formally notifies North Bay it is recalling the loaned missile.

But in an Aug. 6 e-mail to U.S. air force command historian George Bradley III, Aitken states North Bay has recognized "the deteriorating condition of the missile and their lack of resources to properly deal with the challenges." Aitken goes on to say "the city has responsibly offered the return of the missile."

The e-mail was forwarded to former North Bay resident Neall Hards after he asked the U.S. air force why the Bomarc was being removed. "I grew up in North Bay and my brother and I actually used to run through the entire Bomarc missile site (even the underground sections) when we were kids after the local college took over the land for their rotary craft program," Hards wrote after reading about the issue at nugget.ca last month.

"Now living in Ottawa, it's still nice to come home and be able to show and explain these wonderful pieces of history to my children. This missile displays North Bay's very active participation in the . . . 'Cold War' protecting our fellow Canadians, and respect for our heritage.

"The USAF should show us a little more respect . . . I would just like to know why there is such a need to have it removed, after what our town did for the country - do we not deserve recognition?"

Dave Linkie, North Bay's chief administrative officer, said the city never asked the museum to take back the missile, adding Aitken's official letter July 23 best reflects the scenario.
 
oh the nostalgia, I wiki'ed RCAF Calgary for old time sakes (my grandfather was at one time posted to no 10 Repair Depot). I used to drap race my dads car on one of the old runways (now built over) at Lincoln Park just outside mount royal college. Many of the hangers there are still in operation, ones a bingo hall, another a gym, and ACTO is using 5 or six at thier production facility.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RCAF_Station_Calgary
It's a shame, now all thats left of the base and training areas is the Gen Waters Building (the rest are still standing on the Currie side anyway but used for a million other things) and of course they bulldozed the old LdSH Lines and built a casino on the harvey side.
 
One of the remaining hangers at Calgary is now The Farmers' Market.  What used to be my office is now a walk-in refrigerator (kinda like it used to be during winter).
 
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