West should be more "tolerant" of holocaust deniers...

[zipperhead_cop]

Why not give back 1/5 of the United States to the Amerindians?

Right.  Why dont we all go back to our counrties of origin, destroy all the cities and motorized m/v's, live in a big commune back where we all came from and eat kidney beans with every meal so we can fart the ozone layer back to its original glorious state.

EVERY identifiable group feels as though they have been mistreated.  It is a great way to get attention and advantage for themselves.  As a 10th generation Scotocaust survivor there are many injustices that I could claim but chose not to.  I am going to go WAY out on a limb, and predict that if no suicide bombings ever happened again in Israel, or even if one happended the authority in Palistine did more than make a poo-poo face and say "we dont condone that" then you would see some progress.  Everyone agrees that the Israelis did some harsh things over the last 50 years to secure their state, and they may well be sleeping in the bed that they have made.  But one thing you can bank on is that until the useless terror attacks stop, they will never let their guard down and nothing will ever pan out for the Palestinians.

 

[Infanteer]

GO HOME NORMANS - the illegal occupation of William needs to end....

 

[zipperhead_cop]

Hey, my uncles name is Norman.  I take offence. ;D

 

[DG-41]

EVERY identifiable group feels as though they have been mistreated.

And that's the problem here. All the people involved here - ALL of them - have both been victimised AND behaved very badly. In order for things to move forward, someone is going to have to give up on the cult of the victim and start taking responsibility for their own sins.

Nobody holds the moral high ground anymore.

The most effective thing would be the US applying heavy pressure to Israel. Isreal is the only place where the US has an effective lever, and it would go a long way towards making nice with the Arabs.

DG

 

[48Highlander]

The most effective thing would be the US applying heavy pressure to Israel. Isreal is the only place where the US has an effective lever, and it would go a long way towards making nice with the Arabs.

  :blotto:

So let me get this straight....The US should pressure ISRAEL....a country which has continualy made attempts at obtaining peace...and has managed to restrain itself from simply wiping the pally's off the face of the earth (the easy solution) in favour of conducting targeted assasinations?

Which will ofcourse lead to...what?  Do you honestly beleive that such a scenario would DEcrease the number of attacks being conducted by Palestine?

 

[Infanteer]

Can we just stick all of them in Nunavut?  They can defend Northern Sovereignty between wiping eachother out....

 

[Cdn Blackshirt]

This is the MOST buggered up thread I have ever read on this site....

The terrorist apologists who are somehow trying to justify the actions of Palestinians who in turn are acting as proxies for their Jew-hating neighbours is appalling.

How many Jewish Schools, Synogogues and Media sources teach that a genocide of the Palestinian people should be national objective?

How many parades are held with young Jews carrying fake guns and celebrating suicide bombings?

How many Jews have recently snuck into Palestinian Camps and stabbed to death young women and their children?

There is one antagonist in this situation and the other is trying to build a wall to hide behind.  Guess which one is which!

And so for GO! and everyone else who condones the murderous and vile actions of the arabs towards the Israelis, I say shame on you. 

May you one day come face-to-face with someone who wishes to behead you based solely on your ethnic heritage or religion because your attitudes are little different than those of the murderers of Daniel Pearl.



Matthew. 

 

[R0B]

I think we have seen the practical application of that often distasteful theory...Might is Right.

Simply put, Israel is stronger then its enemies (it's managed to win its wars) and has the backing of the strongest nation on earth (for now). GO doesn't like Israel, I do, ROB doesn't, 48th does. You could aruge this until you grow grey hair. What really seems to matter is, short of wiping that part of the world off the map (like some sort of perverse Iranian fantasy), Israel is here to stay by virtue of their power (and their alliess power).

I like Israel, but I don't think we should ignore the fact that they're a belligerent national socialist state. Israel stole its land, just like we stole ours. That's not right, but to me what matters more is the fact that they're a western democracy surrounded by comparatively primitive Islamic regimes.

 

[Infanteer]

This is the MOST buggered up thread I have ever read on this site....

The terrorist apologists who are somehow trying to justify the actions of Palestinians who in turn are acting as proxies for their Jew-hating neighbours is appalling.

How many Jewish Schools, Synogogues and Media sources teach that a genocide of the Palestinian people should be national objective?

How many parades are held with young Jews carrying fake guns and celebrating suicide bombings?

How many Jews have recently snuck into Palestinian Camps and stabbed to death young women and their children?

There is one antagonist in this situation and the other is trying to build a wall to hide behind.   Guess which one is which!

:boring:

Yeah, now you got it - all those dirty Muslims are a bunch of terrorists working for fat-cat foreigners!  Anything else from the back of a cracker-jack box?

PS.  This conflict has been a local one for the last couple decades.

And so for GO! and everyone else who condones the murderous and vile actions of the arabs towards the Israelis, I say shame on you.  

May you one day come face-to-face with someone who wishes to behead you based solely on your ethnic heritage or religion because your attitudes are little different than those of the murderers of Daniel Pearl.

Matthew.    

I'm pretty sure GO!!! has met folks like that, so can the moral tough-talk.

I like Israel, but I don't think we should ignore the fact that they're a belligerent national socialist state.

National socialist?   C'mon man; don't be a fool.

Israel stole its land, just like we stole ours.

Nah, it's called conquering it - but I think we've established that that point is irrelevant now; let's acknowledge the fact that nobody is going away and move on from there.

 

[Infanteer]

Hey, since this thread was originally intended to bash that Iranian nut-job, here is some good, clean Saturday Morning Cartoons from Iranian State TV.  Nothing like teaching the 5 year olds to stick it to the "blood-thirsty zionists".... :-\

http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=subjects&Area=jihad&ID=SP101805

 

[48Highlander]

and some more:

Iran bans Western music
Ruling takes country back to Khomeini days

TEHRAN, Iran (AP) -- Hard-line President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has banned Western music from Iran's radio and TV stations, reviving one of the harshest cultural decrees from the early days of the 1979 Islamic Revolution.

Songs such as George Michael's "Careless Whisper," Eric Clapton's "Rush" and the Eagles' "Hotel California" have regularly accompanied Iranian broadcasts, as do tunes by saxophonist Kenny G.

But the official IRAN Persian daily reported Monday that Ahmadinejad, as head of Iran's Supreme Cultural Revolutionary Council, ordered the enactment of an October ruling by the council to ban Western music.

"Blocking indecent and Western music from the Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting is required," according to a statement on the council's official Web site.

Ahmadinejad's order means broadcasters must execute the decree and prepare a report on its implementation within six months, according to the newspaper.

"This is terrible," said Iranian guitarist Babak Riahipour, whose music was played occasionally on state radio and TV. "The decision shows a lack of knowledge and experience."

Music was outlawed as un-Islamic by Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini soon after the revolution. But as the fervor of the revolution started to fade, light classical music was allowed on radio and television. Some public concerts reappeared in the late 1980s.

Western music, films and clothing are widely available in Iran, and hip-hop can be heard on Tehran's streets, blaring from car speakers or from music shops. Bootleg videos and DVDs of films banned by the state are widely available on the black market.

After eight years of reformist-led rule in Iran, Ahmadinejad won office in August on a platform of reverting to ultraconservative principles promoted by the revolution.

Since then, Ahmadinejad has jettisoned Iran's moderation in foreign policy and pursued a purge in the government, replacing pragmatic veterans with former military commanders and inexperienced religious hard-liners.

He also has issued stinging criticisms of Israel, called for the Jewish state to be "wiped off the map" and described the Nazi Holocaust as a "myth." (Full story)

International concerns are high over Iran's nuclear program, with the United States accusing Tehran of pursuing an atomic weapons program. Iran denies the claims.

During his presidential campaign, Ahmadinejad also promised to confront what he called the Western cultural invasion and promote Islamic values.

The latest media ban also includes censorship of content of films.

"Supervision of content from films, TV series and their voice-overs is emphasized in order to support spiritual cinema and to eliminate triteness and violence," the council said in a statement on its Web site explaining its October ruling.

The council has also issued a ban on foreign movies that promote "arrogant powers," an apparent reference to the United States.

Western Music BAD!  Suicide Bombers GOOD!

 

[Shec]

Israel has only demonstrated its disregard for the Arab world. .

The following is excerpted from of the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel proclaimed by its first Prime Minister David Ben Gurion on May 14, 1948:

WE APPEAL â ” in the very midst of the onslaught launched against us now for months â ” to the Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel to preserve peace and participate in the upbuilding of the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its provisional and permanent institutions.

WE EXTEND our hand to all neighbouring states and their peoples in an offer of peace and good neighbourliness, and appeal to them to establish bonds of cooperation and mutual help with the sovereign Jewish people settled in its own land. The State of Israel is prepared to do its share in a common effort for the advancement of the entire Middle East.

(source:  http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/Dec_of_Indep.html )

Yup, sounds like callous disregard to me.

 

[Infanteer]

I think Samual Huntington is just shaking his head and saying "I told you so" right now....

 

[Clément Barbeau Vermet]

Why not give back 1/5 of the United States to the Amerindians?

I don't think there would be enough Amerindians to occupy such a territory, but I think they should do something like that but in smaller scale. Maby they could have done it a few centuries ago.

 

[R0B]

National socialist?   C'mon man; don't be a fool.

I'm not trying to imply some sort of connection to nazism, but could describe Israel more accurately than as a national socialist state?

 

[Infanteer]

I'm not trying to imply some sort of connection to nazism, but could describe Israel more accurately than as a national socialist state?

I'd say a liberal democracy with strong theocratic elements.

 

[zipperhead_cop]

That cartoon link from Infanteer is pretty chilling and is a great example of why this conflict is not going to end well.
As for Highlander's post;  everyone knows that Kenny G is the root of global disharmony and is the Devils own right hand on earth.  Iran got that one right ;D

 

[a_majoor]

Just give it all back to the Wooley Mammoths.

I'll watch my little piece of Mammoth territory for them until they show up to reclaim it  ;D ;D ;D

 

[Cloud Cover]

Just give it all back to the Wooley Mammoths.

I'll watch my little piece of Mammoth territory for them until they show up to reclaim it  ;D ;D ;D

I'll have you know that no Mammoth ever took a drink from the Thames. At least not a proper one.

 

[a_majoor]

Well then. its all mine! Mine, I tell you! MINE!!!!!