Tory minority in jeopardy as opposition talks coalition. Will there be another election?

[Blindspot]

Just perusing this story on this forum (and elsewhere), and was I correct in seeing that one aspect of the deal (to appease the Bloc) was to make it "French Only" for federal institutions within Quebec?  Or was that the rambling of some crotchety old commentator?

More rumours from Mike Duffy regarding backroom deals of the coalition:

- One billion more for Quebec in equalization payments.
- 6 Bloc senators!
- Elizabeth May a senator.

Democracy in action.

 

[ballz]

Even more concerning is the intelligence and wisdom of who is going to supposedly make the call.  Does the GG, the current or any person plucked out of nowhere because they look good, really have the political experience and education to make this kind of call?  The GG wasnt appointed because she won a nobel prize.  And is the GG truly impartial, considering the current incumbent was appointed by a Liberal PM?

Now now, don't go questioning her competance or anything of the sort, after all, she's a nice lady from what I hear :

I've met the last two and they are all that is good with Canada.

Sorry to be a smart @$$ but I really don't see how them being a good person justifies making them a monarch. Jack Layton seems like a nice fellow too...

 

[TCBF]

Even more concerning is the intelligence and wisdom of who is going to supposedly make the call.  Does the GG, the current or any person plucked out of nowhere because they look good, really have the political experience and education to make this kind of call?  The GG wasnt appointed because she won a nobel prize.  And is the GG truly impartial, considering the current incumbent was appointed by a Liberal PM?

- Irrelevant.  She has the position and the position has it's responsibilities.  Too late to sort out any issues NOW.  Nothing new here.  King/Bing et al.  

 

[Flip]

For better or worse the GG will make history.

I hope (having no idea of course) that she simply tells the coalition to piss off and get back to work in the current parliment.
That's what this deserves, I think.

It appears to me (out west) that there is little popular support for this.
Out here, people are vibrating with anger.

Well, I am anyway....

 

[TCBF]

...after all, she's a nice lady from what I hear ...

- She is.  Want to go back to the old days of Madame Sauve?  Spare me.

 

[geo]

So you're making your decisions by what analysts best guess the options she has open to her.

No point in pre judging her actions - As a newsreporter, she's been quite capable of digging for ALL the options.

Let's face it, Stephen started behaving like he had his majority & got exactly what he deserved - a bloody nose.
From what I've seen & heard, most Conservative MPs aren't one bit happy with the road Stephen is taking them down

 

[OldSolduer]

Well ballz then don't be a smart a$$. All I was trying to say was thay they are gracious and just all around nice people.

Jack Layton IS NOT a nice person. He is a weasel, in socialist clothes. A limosine liberal.

The position of GG is largely ceremonial. It is a holdover from the days when we were governed by Great Britain. In fact,you don't even need to be particularly smart to be the GG, although Adrienne Clarkson certainly is very intelligent.
It was Ms Clarkson who established the Commander In Chief's Unit Commendation. I wear that with pride.
You'll excuse me, ballz, but this is a sore spot with me.

 

[Reccesoldier]

- She is.  Want to go back to the old days of Madame Sauve?  Spare me.

Yeah, she (Sauve) stabbed me with a pen at Vimy Ridge! ( :warstory: True story)

 

[geo]

Yeah, she (Sauve) stabbed me with a pen at Vimy Ridge! ( :warstory:True story)

You probably got too close

 

[ballz]

It appears to me (out west) that there is little popular support for this.
Out here, people are vibrating with anger.

i suspect this has fueled a bit more western seperatism

Well ballz then don't be a smart a$$. All I was trying to say was thay they are gracious and just all around nice people.

Jack Layton IS NOT a nice person. He is a weasel, in socialist clothes. A limosine liberal.

The position of GG is largely ceremonial. It is a holdover from the days when we were governed by Great Britain. In fact,you don't even need to be particularly smart to be the GG, although Adrienne Clarkson certainly is very intelligent.
It was Ms Clarkson who established the Commander In Chief's Unit Commendation. I wear that with pride.
You'll excuse me, ballz, but this is a sore spot with me.

Understood... I don't mind having her as a figurehead... And for the most part, that's all she is... But in reality, Canada is still a parliamentary MONARCHY, and she truly does have power. Keep her around, fine and dandy, we've wasted money on worse things... But we shouldn't have a monarch there, no matter how powerless she might *seem*

 

[GAP]

Canadians need to make their thoughts regarding the current political dilemma facing this country known.

Contact Canada's Governor General, Michaelle Jean and vocalize your opinion:
E-Mail: info@gg.ca
PHONE: toll-free long distance 1-800-465-6890
PHONE : long distance 1-613-993-8200
FAX: 1-613-998-8760

 

[observor 69]

OK I'll meet ya in the middle. Scrap the coalition but also scrap Harper.
Jim Prentice comes to mind as a replacement.  Good ex-Progressive Conservative and recognized by most Conservatives as a man of ability.

 

[OldSolduer]

Don't hold your breath waiting for this coalition of the three very strange amigos to take power. Politics does make strange bedfellows,  to be sure.

The PM has other options.

 

[a_majoor]

And now, a word from Steven Staples:

Anything is possible! But we have to make it happen.


Dear Ceasefire.ca supporter,

I have just returned to Ottawa after visiting five provinces in five weeks, talking to people across the country about Canada's future.

There are critical issues that need to be addressed: the war on terrorism including Afghanistan, climate change, free trade, nuclear weapons, and of course, the economy and our livelihoods.

If you support a progressive coalition government in Ottawa, then please send your letter to NDP leader Jack Layton and Liberal leader Stéphane Dion.

Barack Obama will soon be in Washington, but Stephen Harper is clinging to power in Ottawa. We are at a crossroads of tremendous economic instability, but also have an opportunity to move forward.

The Harper government will use every tool it has to stop a progressive coalition from taking power. The Harper Conservatives are already rallying their supporters in corporate board rooms across the country, and Stephen Harper may even suspend Parliament to avoid a vote that would topple him!

I am also worried that rivalry within the Liberal Party itself might ruin any chance to bring forward a progressive coalition government. We can't let this happen.

Take a moment to send your personal letter to Liberal leader Stéphane Dion and NDP leader Jack Layton. If you can do more, attend a rally on Thursday, December 4, organized by the Canadian Labour Congress, or send a letter to the editor, or even just post comments below news stories on media website and journalists' blogs.

Every bit counts, because when we work together - anything is possible!

In peace,

Steven Staples
President of the Rideau Institute and
Founder of Ceasefire.ca

And a reminder of why we have this situation in the first place:

The problem is that once the scope of government is vast and sweeping, and the power of the office is enormous; once you get to where you must have vast sums to get the office, and you must win because otherwise you are ruined by your borrowing, and possibly up for prosecution for criminalized policy differences -- then you are where the Roman Republic was, and it is worth everything to win.

http://www.jerrypournelle.com/view/view507.html#scope

 

[ArmyRick]

Um No. Harper was Leader of the PC when we went to the polls in October. So people voted for a PC MP in their riding, they knew they were getting Harper as PM.

This coalition? Who went to the polls and ticked off the NDP member running in their riding with a hope of seeing Dion as PM? Or how about someone nominating a BQ member and getting a liberal as their party leader? That is the part to me that seems undemocratic.

This coalition may follow letter of the law but it does not follow the spirit of the law IMO.

 

[Reccesoldier]

Um No. Harper was Leader of the PC when we went to the polls in October. So people voted for a PC MP in their riding, they knew they were getting Harper as PM.

This coalition? Who went to the polls and ticked off the NDP member running in their riding with a hope of seeing Dion as PM? Or how about someone nominating a BQ member and getting a liberal as their party leader? That is the part to me that seems undemocratic.

This coalition may follow letter of the law but it does not follow the spirit of the law IMO.

CPC right, not PC.  Warm fuzzy and oh so happy progressiveness is what got us to this point in the first place.

 

[OldSolduer]

Um No. Harper was Leader of the PC when we went to the polls in October. So people voted for a PC MP in their riding, they knew they were getting Harper as PM.

This coalition? Who went to the polls and ticked off the NDP member running in their riding with a hope of seeing Dion as PM? Or how about someone nominating a BQ member and getting a liberal as their party leader? That is the part to me that seems undemocratic.

This coalition may follow letter of the law but it does not follow the spirit of the law IMO.

Agreed. The Libs/NDP are always taking someone to task about the "spirit of the law". Too bad they, and MR. Staples (IMO an agent provacateur) couldn't be taken to the woodshed for some good old fashioned "spiritual" counselling.

 

[Reccesoldier]

Anyone still think that this is a good thing for the country... http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20081202/quebec_coalition_081202/20081202?hub=Canada

"If the Bloc Quebecois can get things for Quebec while Jean Charest is on his knees. . ." Marois said, her voice trailing off.

"It's Quebec that will come out the winner," she continued.

And Canada the loser.

 

[Teeps74]

i suspect this has fueled a bit more western seperatism

Understood... I don't mind having her as a figurehead... And for the most part, that's all she is... But in reality, Canada is still a parliamentary MONARCHY, and she truly does have power. Keep her around, fine and dandy, we've wasted money on worse things... But we shouldn't have a monarch there, no matter how powerless she might *seem*

Well, you know. Aside from the OATH most of us took and take very seriously, I suppose there is a point there. At this point, I am very glad I took an oath, because that oath is NOT to serve the Bloc, or any other particular party, but rather the Queen of Canada and Her rightful heirs and succesors.

 

[helpup]

More rumours from Mike Duffy regarding backroom deals of the coalition:

- One billion more for Quebec in equalization payments.
- 6 Bloc senators!
- Elizabeth May a senator.

Democracy in action.

Bearing in mind you said Rumours That is hilarious in a very BAD WAY    ;D