Russell Williams charged in 2 x murders, confinement, sexual assault.

[Fishbone Jones]

If the government is that worried about collecting, they have the means to seize it. It's not like he's going anywhere.

 

[The Bread Guy]

What pisses me off the most here is in highlights:

Police found child porn on serial sex criminal Russell Williams' computer but laid no charges in exchange for him pleading guilty to murder and sexual assault, a new book says.

The former commander of Canada's largest military airfield wouldn't admit to downloading pictures of teenaged girls in sexual positions, Globe and Mail reporter Timothy Appleby writes in "A New Kind of Monster."

A source quoted in the book said Williams couldn't face the stigma attached to child pornography, though he was willing to plead guilty to murder, rape and a series of bizarre sexually motivated break-ins.

"This is a guy who structured his life around how he saw others act, and that's how his morality base came about," said the source, who was involved in the case.

"In the military, you can kill people, it's accepted ... it's within the realm of human behaviour. And in war, rape is within that realm as well. The one thing that isn't, and stands outside that, is (sexual abuse of) children."

"There's no one else within his group that engages in that, so that would make him truly alone." ....

WTF? 

If this source was quoted correctly, and if the quote accurately reflects what s/he thinks, thinking that it's ok to kill (outside the terms of approved rules of engagement, often as a last resort) or rape (in ANY context) in the military, or he saw so much killing/rape in the CF that it would be ok, this source is full of the highest, most extreme level of crap, and it colours how I would consider any other information presented in the rest of the book.  :rage:

Or am I being too sensitive here?

 

[krustyrl]

Unbelievable, just saying "that's the Justice System for ya"..just doesn't cut it.!  Not sure now if I would read the book if it is laced with assanine reasoning such as what milnews quoted......

My  :2c:


...things that make you go GRRRRRR..!!!!!  :rage:

 

[Brutus]

Am I misreading this?

'it's accepted ... it's within the realm of human behaviour...And in war, rape is within that realm as well.'

I have read that line several times, and I can't see how the author of that sentence is suggesting anything other than that in war it's acceptable to rape.

I am wondering only because as I went to the link posted, I expected a barrage of reader's comments on this llittle snippet, but very few reader's comment touched on the absurdity of this statement. Surely the public doesn't really think it's ok to do this, or worse, that we actully do this?

That is definately the most ridiculous statement I have heard on the CF in a very long time. That's disgusting.

 

[captloadie]

Was the quote speaking specifically of the CF, or military organizations as a whole. In today's PC western world, raping and pillaging are big no-nos, but historically it is not uncommon. In fact forget historically, it happens now, maybe not widespread, but it happens and the global "WE" turn a blind eye.

And in the CF sexual assault happens, and is not often punished. To prove my point, read through the results on the CMAC site and see how many times sexual assault charges are laid, and how many times they are withdrawn, stayed, not proven, etc. with the charged member pleading to a "lesser" charge. 

 

[ballz]

Was the quote speaking specifically of the CF, or military organizations as a whole. In today's PC western world, raping and pillaging are big no-nos, but historically it is not uncommon. In fact forget historically, it happens now, maybe not widespread, but it happens and the global "WE" turn a blind eye.

Well it says he "structured his life around how he saw others act" so that woud imply that he learnd it was acceptable human behaviour to kill and rape by seeing it (in the CF).

 

[The Bread Guy]

Was the quote speaking specifically of the CF, or military organizations as a whole. In today's PC western world, raping and pillaging are big no-nos, but historically it is not uncommon. In fact forget historically, it happens now, maybe not widespread, but it happens and the global "WE" turn a blind eye.

This bit, if quoted correctly, doesn't suggest he learned his mores from society in general or historical example:

".... In the military, you can kill people, it's accepted ... it's within the realm of human behaviour ....

And in the CF sexual assault happens, and is not often punished. To prove my point, read through the results on the CMAC site and see how many times sexual assault charges are laid, and how many times they are withdrawn, stayed, not proven, etc. with the charged member pleading to a "lesser" charge.

Also true outside the CF.  I read the source, however, to suggest it's part of what Williams lived with a member of the CF.  To me, inconsistent enforcement/sentencing =/= motivation.

 

[dogger1936]

Anyone have his contact info in jail? Would love to write him!! >

 

[Ammo]

Russell Williams’s final victim: his wife
Mary Elizabeth Harriman appears determined to hold on to what little is left

The latest article from Macleans (some 9 pages, too long to reproduce here)
http://www2.macleans.ca/2011/04/11/her-only-crime-was-trusting-him/

 

[GAP]

It's nothing more than a rehash of the Russel Williams case, with a headline about his wife so people will read it... :

 

[armyvern]

Anyone have his contact info in jail? Would love to write him!! >

I'm driving by his new house at about 0500hrs tomorrow morning; perhaps you could PM me your "writings" to transcribe onto paper, form into paper airplane and then attempt to make fly over his really old, but new to him, big-ass fence?

It's worth a shot, but I make no promises.

 

[OldSolduer]

It's nothing more than a rehash of the Russel Williams case, with a headline about his wife so people will read it... :

It will cause much wringing of hands, gnashing of teeth and so called "experts" asking:

"How could she not know? She had to have known!"

Then there will be letter to editors all stating:

"Off with her head"

Well maybe not that bad, but they will blame her for being an "enabler" or some such thing.

As for Mr Williams new "house" I've been inside it. Not pretty that's for sure.

 

[The Bread Guy]

According to an initial report from CBC.ca, nothing to see here, move along now:

Divorce deal of Russell Williams, wife to stay sealed . Publication ban in place unless divorce in open court.

 

[wildman0101]

Tony,,,
I hope not mate....

A source quoted in the book said Williams couldn't face the stigma attached to child pornography, though he was willing to plead guilty to murder, rape and a series of bizarre sexually motivated break-ins.

"This is a guy who structured his life around how he saw others act, and that's how his morality base came about," said the source, who was involved in the case.

"In the military, you can kill people, it's accepted ... it's within the realm of human behaviour. And in war, rape is within that realm as well. The one thing that isn't, and stands outside that, is (sexual abuse of) children."

"There's no one else within his group that engages in that, so that would make him truly one sick(er what group)Military er sick group as he has been diagnosed as or ..

are all Can Mil Per's being painted said same because of this sick a-hole....portrayed by our media. good god. then as far as i can figuire the media is just as sick as xxxx Mr incarcerated William's.
With regard's to prisoner William's,,,, Screw you.
With regard's to our Loyal (Enphasis on loyal)member's of our Canadian Armed Force's... You have nothing to be ashamed of regard's this (Prisoner William's)
This is just my opinion and my opinion only...
Any responses will be directed to me and me only.. And not to this site. Thanks
Scoty B

 

[OldSolduer]

"In the military, you can kill people, it's accepted ... it's within the realm of human behaviour. And in war, rape is within that realm as well. The one thing that isn't, and stands outside that, is (sexual abuse of) children."

"

That statement needs to be dealt with. Rape is NEVER acceptable and needs to be prosecuted vigourously.


My  :2c: minus the GST.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Had to include this bit from a recent visit by the CDS to Afghanistan:

.... Natynczyk presented several commendations to individual soldiers and groups for service in Afghanistan. But the general also handed Chief Warrant Officer Kevin West the sergeant-major of the air wing, an award for service at 8 Wing Trenton, Ont.

Natynczyk said West held not only the base but the surrounding community together in the aftermath of the horrific murders carried out by Trenton's former commander, Russell Williams.

Williams' name is one that is generally not spoken within the military, which reacted with horror to his conviction and the lurid revelations of his sexual fetishes.

"You all know what I'm talking about," Natynczyk told the troops before praising West. "This is an extraordinary leader and I'm so proud of what you did last year." ....

Source:  The Canadian Press, 2 Jul 11

 

[Haggis]

All you sergeants major out there should take a minutre to think about what CWO Kevin West experienced. Each and every day he accompanied his Command Team partner on duties in support of the successful prosecution of 8 Wing's mission  They confided in each other, ate together, travelled together, socialized and suported each other.  They even honoured the memory of Cpl Marie France Comeau.  Each and every day they were the pinnacles and the faces of discipline and professionalism at 8 Wing.

Then, the police arrive and arrest your boss for, among other things, raping and killing one of his - YOUR - own troops.

There is absolutely NOTHING in our training and professional development system that prepares a CWO for something like that.  Thre are likely very very few people who can say they have shared the same experience.  Sure many folks have found out that thier friend/relative etc. was a killer.  But, these were two men in high trusted positions of power, authority and influence, who worked side-by-side for months.... yet one of them held a dark secret and the other was completly oblivious!

I came to know Kevin West when he was Commandant of the NCMPDC in St. Jean.  I absolutely CANNOT fathom what he went through.  The CDS Commendation, while well deserved, is a pittance compared to what the CF truly owes this professional airman, a true credit to our NCO corps.

 

[Infanteer]

Well said Haggis.

 

[The Bread Guy]

First review I've spotted...

Is Russell Williams a unique phenomenon in the world of sadistic sexual killers?

Tim Appleby tackles the perplexing question in his best-selling book A New Kind of Monster: The Secret Life and Chilling Crimes of Colonel Russell Williams.

For his first true crime book, the veteran Globe and Mail crime reporter and foreign correspondent has wisely chosen a tale that has piqued the imagination of Canadians from coast to coast.


It has also stirred interest in Britain where Williams once piloted a plane for Queen Elizabeth and other dignitaries, bringing them to Canada for a royal visit.

Appleby has compiled first-rate material on Williams from his earliest years to today.

The journalist traces the life of Williams, a bright, ambitious British immigrant boy who came to Canada and grew up in an atmosphere of high achievers ....

Source:  Sun Media, 17 Jul 11

 

[mariomike]

Sun
July 18, 2011
"Second civil suit pending against killer colonel: TORONTO - This time it’s not just the killer colonel and his wife being sued but the OPP and the Canadian Armed Forces, too.":
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/07/18/second-civil-suit-pending-against-killer-colonel