Religious/Extremist Terrorism: Non-Muslim edition

[Kilted]

Oh man, no kidding.

Some recruit to CAF was on Facebook once bragging about how he was getting a top secret security clearance for whatever trade he was. I was bored, so I dug into his social media for about ten minutes, and messaged him a photo of the front of his house, names of his immediately family members, and where his sister currently went to high school along with a ‘hey dude, maybe be careful with saying you’re CAF and getting TS’. I think I spooked him pretty good.

The CAF has gradually softened its view on social media. I remember going through briefing when the general expectation was that you shouldn't appear on the internet in any compacity to the point that the CAF has fully embraced it to the point of Star Wars memes. Although, a lot of that was probably due to dinosaurs retiring.

It's kind of silly that some people from that age group are worried about people putting information on line, when there used to literally be a book that anyone could look at that listed where everyone lived along with their phone number.

Allegedly, these books still exist, so I've been told.

 

[Remius]

The CAF has gradually softened its view on social media. I remember going through briefing when the general expectation was that you shouldn't appear on the internet in any compacity to the point that the CAF has fully embraced it to the point of Star Wars memes. Although, a lot of that was probably due to dinosaurs retiring.

It's kind of silly that some people from that age group are worried about people putting information on line, when there used to literally be a book that anyone could look at that listed where everyone lived along with their phone number.

Allegedly, these books still exist, so I've been told.

People have not idea how much info they give up on social media. Facebook profiles with birthdates, answering fun what super hero are you or Disney Princess are you. When you get that chain message telling you that your porn name is you mothers maiden name and street you grew up on? And you post that? You may have just given them your bank recovery password or an authentication. Those things are basically surveys mining your information.

How reliable are you if you accept every friend request from strangers? From there it’s easy to get your info and do other stuff with it. It isn’t about just about what institutional info you might give up, it’s about how vulnerable you might be.

 

[dimsum]

The CAF has gradually softened its view on social media. I remember going through briefing when the general expectation was that you shouldn't appear on the internet in any compacity to the point that the CAF has fully embraced it to the point of Star Wars memes. Although, a lot of that was probably due to dinosaurs retiring.

I'd suggest that part of it is also that it's hard to recruit from the younger demographic which is mostly interacting online, if you don't have an online presence.

 

[dapaterson]

The CAF has gradually softened its view on social media. I remember going through briefing when the general expectation was that you shouldn't appear on the internet in any compacity to the point that the CAF has fully embraced it to the point of Star Wars memes. Although, a lot of that was probably due to dinosaurs retiring.

It's kind of silly that some people from that age group are worried about people putting information on line, when there used to literally be a book that anyone could look at that listed where everyone lived along with their phone number.

Allegedly, these books still exist, so I've been told.

Phone number and home address!

 

[Blackadder1916]

It's kind of silly that some people from that age group are worried about people putting information on line, when there used to literally be a book that anyone could look at that listed where everyone lived along with their phone number.

Allegedly, these books still exist, so I've been told.

What the phone book did (back when the Earth was cooling) at the most provided the home address and landline phone number of (usually) the head of the household (whoever paid the phone bill). It didn't list all the occupants of the property associated with that number. If one wanted to threaten a member of that household, one had to physically go to that address and either knock on the door or wait in hiding to confront him/her. More likely one confronted the target in the schoolyard (if young) or whatever establishment that served liquid courage (if older); for more regulated, acceptable violence, sporting contests provided the venue. Now one doesn't even have to live on the same continent to be a threat to another individual.

 

[OceanBonfire]

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Police release video of officer killing a neo-Nazi gunman and ending a mass shooting at a Texas mall

Police have released video footage of an officer killing a neo-Nazi gunman and quickly ending a mass shooting that left eight people dead and seven others wounded at a Dallas-area shopping mall.

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[mariomike]

Saw this in the Post today, in case anyone is interested.

Over $1 million will go to the church.

Proud Boys to pay $1.03M to church for burning BLM sign during 2020 protests

The group must pay the church $1.03 million for their “hateful and overtly racist” conduct, a judge ruled.

nypost.com

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Saw this in the Post today, in case anyone is interested.

Over $1 million will go to the church.

Proud Boys to pay $1.03M to church for burning BLM sign during 2020 protests

The group must pay the church $1.03 million for their “hateful and overtly racist” conduct, a judge ruled.

nypost.com

How do they justify that much of an award for a sign?

 

[mariomike]

How do they justify that much of an award for a sign?

Stars and Stripes reported, "replacing the sign and protecting the church cost only $36,626.78."

 

[brihard]

My best guess is significant punitive damages. This wasn’t a couple random yahoos drunk and on a spree; it was an organization acting in a deliberate manner and inciting others. The court probably wanted to hit them hard enough for it to be felt.

 

[mariomike]

The court probably wanted to hit them hard enough for it to be felt.

Apparently the Proud Boys were found to be in violation of the Ku Klux Klan Act.

 

[brihard]

Apparently the Proud Boys were found to be in violation of the Ku Klux Klan Act.

That’s just never a good look.

 

[Blackadder1916]

The labyrinth that is the case docket for the Proud Boys lawsuit can be found at

Register of Actions

portal-dc.tylertech.cloud

To quicken the process attached are the final two documents , the judgement and the final order

 

[Blackadder1916]

Though it may not be a result of the above noted successful suit against the PBs, found this while searching for DC Superior Court files. Looks like at least one other DC resident wants a kick at the cat, though it is 'slightly' less professionally prepared.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Apparently the Proud Boys were found to be in violation of the Ku Klux Klan Act.

My guess is there will be an appeal and the final damages will be much less. Also the challenge of being able to collect the money.

 

[brihard]

The labyrinth that is the case docket for the Proud Boys lawsuit can be found at

Register of Actions

portal-dc.tylertech.cloud

To quicken the process attached are the final two documents , the judgement and the final order

Thanks for that.

My guess is there will be an appeal and the final damages will be much less. Also the challenge of being able to collect the money.

I mean, they can try, but they’d need some sound legal basis on which to have the punitive damages reduced. The finding of civil liability was entered into by default; the defendants didn’t show up nor answer the claim. So in terms of liability, they’re SOL. As for the damages, simply not liking the consequences won’t cut it. The court articulated its reasoning on why it ruled the way it did, so the proud boys would have to be able to argue some significant error. I don’t think that’s likely. The court also may not entertain an appeal unless the defendants enter into some kind of bond to assure the ability to pay at least some of what they already owe, before inflicting further legal costs on the plaintiffs.

And yes, collecting payment may be a ‘blood from a stone’ endeavour, but having that overhanging debt of civil judgment against them may complicate the lives of the Proud Boy leadership… Some of whose lives are already kinda complicated by other legally unsound choices they made.

 

[Blackadder1916]

I mean, they can try, but they’d need some sound legal basis on which to have the punitive damages reduced. The finding of civil liability was entered into by default; the defendants didn’t show up nor answer the claim. So in terms of liability, they’re SOL. As for the damages, simply not liking the consequences won’t cut it. The court articulated its reasoning on why it ruled the way it did, so the proud boys would have to be able to argue some significant error. I don’t think that’s likely. The court also may not entertain an appeal unless the defendants enter into some kind of bond to assure the ability to pay at least some of what they already owe, before inflicting further legal costs on the plaintiffs.

And yes, collecting payment may be a ‘blood from a stone’ endeavour, but having that overhanging debt of civil judgment against them may complicate the lives of the Proud Boy leadership… Some of whose lives are already kinda complicated by other legally unsound choices they made.

An "appeal" may not necessarily be required . . .

What can I do if I lose? | District of Columbia Courts

www.dccourts.gov

"If you are the losing party because the Court issued a default or default judgment, you may file a motion to vacate the default or default judgment. The Court issues a default judgment when you do not show up at your court date. If your wages and/or bank accounts or other properties have been “attached,” (seized or taken because of a court order) and you want to get back your property, you may file a motion to quash the writ of attachment. This motion can be added to the motion to vacate the default judgment. Any party can file a motion for a new trial or a motion to alter or amend the judgment. These motions must be filed ten business days after the judge’s order, which is called an “entry of the judgment.” See SCR-Civ. 59. . . .

I had a scroll through the court documents to see if a motion had been previously filed and denied, but as I noted before "labyrinth" - doesn't appear to have happened. And while the above notes 10 business days to file such a motion, the Court Rules say

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(e) MOTION TO ALTER OR AMEND A JUDGMENT. A motion to alter or amend a judgment must be filed no later than 28 days after the entry of the judgment.
Sup. Ct. R. D.C. 59

 

[brihard]

Sure, they can move to that effect, but the motion would probably be heard by a judge and the movant would have to articulate why it should be granted. There’s a difference between not making a defense to a lawsuit you refuse to take seriously, and, say, missing your window to file a defense because you’re medically incapacitated or something. The courts don’t generally just give mulligans to a party who ignores the court process and then doesn’t like the result.

 

[lenaitch]

How do they justify that much of an award for a sign?

High dollar civil awards, certainly compared to Canada, are not uncommon in the US. Civil juries can have their heartstrings tugged (and jury trials in Canadian civil courts are almost unheard of). It is also not uncommon for them to be overturned or reduced on appeal, but that seldom makes the news.

In this case, not answering the claim likely hinders future action, but I don't really know the US civil system that well. The church may well have to be satisfied with a framed judgement to hang on their wall; I doubt the PBs, either individually or the corporate body have anywhere that petty cash nor really care.

 

[mariomike]

The Black church that could bankrupt the Proud Boys.

The Black Church That Could Bankrupt the Proud Boys

Proud Boy figures control a web of limited liability companies hawking protein supplements, FAFO merchandise, and $200 bullhorns.

www.vice.com

Since the Proud Boys were convicted under the Ku Klux Klan Act only a couple of days ago, the case that bankrupted the Klan may , or may not, be of interest to some readers.

Inside the case that bankrupted the Klan

https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/10/us/michael-donald-case-timeline/index.html

In battle against far-right extremists, an old strategy re-emerges: Bankrupt them

A lawsuit against the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers follows similar litigation that was successful against the organizers of a far-right rally in Charlottesville, Va., in 2017.

Federal suit targeting Jan. 6 extremist groups goes for the jugular: Their finances

A lawsuit against the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers follows similar litigation that was successful against the organizers of a far-right rally in Charlottesville, Va., in 2017.

www.nbcnews.com