Promotions in the CAF [Merged]

[my72jeep]

You go back to the Pay rate that you would be at if you stayed at you substantive rank. IE you were a IPC 4 LT. and spent 3 years as a Capt. you would go back to LT. IPC 7.

 

[PViddy]

What i thought, Thanks!

PV

 

[SprCForr]

I can't think of any situations where I've seen RegF promoted WSE in Canada (not that anecdotal crap is useful anyhow) but I have seen many a leader promoted acting lacking.

I know a couple who were back at the turn of the century.

Crap. Now I feel old.

 

[DELTADOG13]

I was Promoted While So Employed to WO in Meaford. I had been doing the job for over 6-9 months, Reg Force RCR, qualified 3B, position available and no promoted person to fill job. It was odd but doable. Chain of Command pushed it up and it was approved within months. I was due to be substantive within 6 months but was waiting for the guy ahead of me to get qualified. So it is not as far fetched as we may think. Its up to your Chain of Command to push the paperwork and have your Career manager approve. Good Luck.

 

[mc876898]

When I first joined just over a year ago I did a PLAR.
It took months, but it was eventually successful and they wrote off my DP 1.1 ACISS IST course.
This means I was trade qualified right off the bat.

From what I can understand, if you are trade qualified on joining, you may be entitled to a higher rank once basic training is completed.

I think what might have happened is that I didn't get promoted because technically the ACISS IST trade didn't exist when I first joined.
It only popped up sometime near the end of my basic, or SQ course.

Should I have been promoted to PTE(T) after completing basic training?
I'm wondering if I should bring it up with my chain of command.

 

[Nfld Sapper]

Should I have been promoted to PTE(T) after completing basic training?

That is not a promotion.... a promotion would be from Pte to Cpl

Only difference from Pte (B) to Pte(T) is that latter is authorized to wear a hook and regimental accouterments while the former is not.

 

[MikeL]

In the Regular Force,  you do note get your hook immediately after your trades course.  You have to be in the CF for XX amount of time as well as be trade qualified to become a Pte(T).  At this time,  you  may not have enough time served yet,  just wait for it it will come.  Not like you're missing out on any money or anything.

Only difference from Pte (B) to Pte(T) is that latter is authorized to wear a hook and regimental accouterments while the former is not.

Pte(B)s can wear Regimental Capbadges,  trade badges, etc as long as they are QL3/DP1 qualified. 

 

[392]

Only difference from Pte (B) to Pte(T) is that latter is authorized to wear a hook and regimental accouterments while the former is not.

Is this a PRes thing? All throughout the RegF Regts, Pte(B) pers regularly (and are expected to) wear Regimental accoutrements across the board, minus of course the single chevron.

 

[toughenough]

Is this a PRes thing? All throughout the RegF Regts, Pte(B) pers regularly (and are expected to) wear Regimental accoutrements across the board, minus of course the single chevron.

I don't think so. Our PRes pers typically get regimental stuff after SQ, give or take. What typically ends up happening is the next parade that comes along, they are expected to wear our headdress (as we don't wear berets, it is very obvious), so it gets sorted out at this time. It varies for everyone, but few wait until completion of DP1.

 

[Swingline1984]

When I first joined just over a year ago I did a PLAR.
It took months, but it was eventually successful and they wrote off my DP 1.1 ACISS IST course.
This means I was trade qualified right off the bat.

As a DP 1.1 ACISS you are an ISS, not an IST.  An ISS is technically core ACISS with an IS qual.  You will not be IST until you are boarded and selected and complete DP 2.1 (after common 2.0).

Rank (PteT) is not only tied to qual but also qualifying service (36 months for a hook).

 

[Snakedoc]

Out of curiosity, not sure if anyone would have knowledge on the process, but does anyone know what the promotion criteria is like for specialist Medical Officers like surgeons, radiologists etc from Major up?

I'm assuming that specialist Medical Officers still have merit boards but other than the required time in rank, what criteria does the merit board look at (I'm assuming things like amount of research done, papers published, additional appointments at civilian hospitals, academic appointments, performance on operational tours etc.)?  Or is promotion pretty much automatic after the required time in rank for each rank level and given the availability of positions in a rank?

 

[MedCorps]

Promotion from Major to LCol for specialist medical officers is automatic after five years in rank assuming that they completed some of the OPMEs (I am not sure how many were required) and passed their PT test and  medical.

I am told that is about to change starting next year with the programme (which was done for retention purposes) will be coming to an end (5 years most often corresponded with when the oblig period was done for residency and we wanted to prevent them from bailing so we gave them a promotion). 

This change will result in some sort of rank versus position cap.  We will see what happens, heck it might even go merit based, which is certainly is NOT currently.

MC

 

[Snakedoc]

Thanks for your expertise as usual MedCorps!  Interesting changes in the health services world with recruiting/retention becoming less and less of a problem, particularly for MO's.

 

[MedCorps]

Yeah... who would have guessed that we would ever be a full strength / over strength for MOs!  When I joined I never would have guessed that I would have seen it in my career.  It is a sign that the attraction / recruiting / personnel management people know what they are doing. 

Happy days 

MC

 

[Snakedoc]

Yeah... who would have guessed that we would ever be a full strength / over strength for MOs!  When I joined I never would have guessed that I would have seen it in my career.  It is a sign that the attraction / recruiting / personnel management people know what they are doing. 

Happy days 

MC

Yeah I feel like we are one of the only militaries in the world that has this situation for MO's actually!  However, I'm assuming many of these MO's are still in the training pipeline and not at our clinics on base yet?

 

[MedCorps]

I think it is next year that the big bulge of MOs comes out of the schooling pipeline and then another year or so for them all to get BMOQ / BMOC / maybe the new field course, Flt Surg / Dive Med etc and be working full time in clinics.

MC

 

[misratah500]

I know you can put in a grievance for your PER, but this is not that. I'll explain my question after a little background info.

So I was merited number 4 on the 2012 PO2 list last year. They promoted 1-3 in April and that left me as brides maid for the last 8 months. They said they were freezing promotions till December 1st because they didn't know how many people would be releasing/retiring. In the mean time, two PO2 billets opened up in October (Retirement and Promo to PO1).

So I know there are two high priority billets open right now and I should be in line for one of them. But what if the career manager chooses not to promote me? Can he do that. What if he leaves the billets open till the spring of 2013? Is that even allowed.  Those units with the holes are looking to get them filled with personnel ASAP!

Is there a grievance process in place where if say come January 1st I hear nothing about a back dated promotion of Dec 1st, I can file an grievance to get promoted off the 2012 merit list when he might promote someone else next spring off the 2013 merit list?

I meet with my CM on December 11th to find out solidly whats going on, but I'm still very unsure.

To summarize is there anything I can do to stop him from skipping my promotion this year and just holding out and promoting someone else next year.

- mod edit for spelling of thread title -

 

[Shamrock]

http://www.cfga-agfc.forces.gc.ca/index-eng.asp

 

[misratah500]

So you can technically grieve anything?

 

[McG]

But what if the career manager chooses not to promote me? Can he do that. 

Yes.

What if he leaves the billets open till the spring of 2013? Is that even allowed. 

Yes.

Is there a grievance process in place where if say come January 1st I hear nothing about a back dated promotion of Dec 1st, I can file an grievance to get promoted off the 2012 merit list when he might promote someone else next spring off the 2013 merit list? 

You can grieve, but if you cannot show the CM did something wrong then you can expect the grievance will not be upheld.

To summarize is there anything I can do to stop him from skipping my promotion this year and just holding out and promoting someone else next year. 

This is within the prerogative of the military.  There is no obligation to promote into all vacancies, and if the military chooses not to promote in to all vacancies then there will be pers who miss out on a promotion that year.  It comes down to what the military needs.  Sometimes that need is for guys to keep working in a lower rank.