New Name requred for the CSE Branch

[Harley Sailor]

Thats what they said about my trade 2 years ago.

 

[Sub_Guy]

The single Naval Combat operator is dead, for now.    Have a read of the combat operator working group minutes.

http://halifax.mil.ca/TRADES/NAVCOM/webpages/ROD%20-%20CBT%20OPERATOR%20SAG%2011%20JUN%2007.doc  (din only)

 

[Ex-Dragoon]

The single Naval Combat operator is dead, for now.    Have a read of the combat operator working group minutes.

http://halifax.mil.ca/TRADES/NAVCOM/webpages/ROD%20-%20CBT%20OPERATOR%20SAG%2011%20JUN%2007.doc  (din only)

Thank gawd...

 

[Chief Gunner]

If we add Technician to the mix we can be called " Weapons Engineering Specialist Technicians" .  Then we can say Go WEST young (wo)man

That's quite a mouthful but I do like the potential slogan

 

[quadrapiper]

From an outside perspective - and with an eye to recruiting - perhaps the first priority could be reducing the length of the name, whatever it is? "Gunner," which someone mentioned, isn't necessarily accurate - but it's at least one word.

Naval Electronic & Electromechanical Systems Technician, as someone else proposed, while a great descriptor for people "in house," might still sound an awful lot like verbal padding - suggesting a low-end job with a shiny title.

Would "Artificer," coupled with a speciality, suffice? Or would the ERAs all revolt? Electronics Artificer? Casting about for something a bit less clunky than "Naval Maintenance Technician (Sensors), Naval Maintenance Technician (Weapons), and Naval Maintenance Technician (Command and Control)." (Thanks to Ex-Dragoon)

*The above post is not intended to imply knowledge of any trade or branch under discussion.*

 

[McG]

... while a great descriptor for people "in house," might still sound an awful lot like verbal padding - suggesting a low-end job with a shiny title.

I don't agree.  The word "technician" implies a lot.  If the target audience is to be recent/pending high school graduates weighing the options of a job or college, then the longer name may be catchier.  This person will have been looking into programs available at the community colleges, and exploiting a parallel in names should be considered.  Consider the following Algonquin programs:

Computer Systems Technician
Construction Engineering Technician
Heating, Refrigeration and Air Conditioning Technician
Motive Power Technician
Electro-Mechanical Engineering Technician - Robotics
Electrical Engineering Technician
Mechanical Engineering Technology
Photonics Engineering Technology
Wireless/Mobility Telecommunication Engineering Technician

I recognize some of that list does not apply specifically.  However, it does show that the longer name will have a degree of recognition civillian side (especially by those most likely to have an interest in the field).  For another example, go put this into google:  Electronic  Electromechanical Systems Technician

Naval Electronic & Electromechanical Systems Technician

... it would be NEET is "system" were dropped from that.

 

[who980]

Well, the discussion on this issue is very interesting. I'd like to clear up a couple of things that may help clarify the situation. First Combat Systems Engineering Technician or any variable there of is not up for consideration. Second, the  described trades are not nor have they ever been part of the Naval Ops Branch. Third, the words engineer and engineering are not a copywrite of any of the the P. Eng Associations.

The future vision of the present CSE Branch will be a single entry level trade, that will branch off into five or six occupations. The entry level technician will be responsible for the maintenance of  a variety of the simpler equipment from each of the existing trades. They will then feed into 5 - 6 trades. The trades will be responsible for:

     a. Internal Communications (includes IT)
     b. External Communications
     c. Sensors
     d. Radar
     e. Armament
     f. Fire Control

These trades will then feed back into a single supervisor / manager trade at the PO1 Level.

The names they have been given for working puposes are

1. Entry Level = Weapons Engineering Technician

2.  a. Weapons Engineering Specialist Internal Communications
     b. Weapons Engineering Specialist External Communications
     c. Weapons Engineering Specialist Sensors
     d. Weapons Engineering Specialist Radar
     e. Weapons Engineering Specialist Armament
     f. Weapons Engineering Specialist Fire Control

3. Supervisor/ Manager = Weapons Engineering Specialist

I hope this leads to some constructive suggestions.

Above I see you state that Interior Communications Technicians will take care of IT.  Just curious as to how this applies to Naval Communicators and their current involvement with the majority (if not all of) the IT onboard the ship and ashore?

Cheers
Ryan

 

[Chief Gunner]

Above I see you state that Interior Communications Technicians will take care of IT.  Just curious as to how this applies to Naval Communicators and their current involvement with the majority (if not all of) the IT onboard the ship and ashore?

Cheers


Ryan

Naval Communicators are not responsible for the physical corrective or planned maintenance of IT or data processing equipment on Canadian Naval Ships. They are the administrators of PC based workstations, LANs and WANs excluding those included or imbedded in CS or MS Engineering Systems. Naval Communicators are also responsible for the security of these systems. These administrator functions are performed by many trades especially in shore units like BIS. A number of CF trades also perform physical and administrative maintenance of PC based workstations, LANs and WANs in BIS. This include Electricians, Stokers and Linesmen to name a few.

 

[wepstech]

So... What happened with this? Was there ever a name change? :skull:

 

[Chief Gunner]

Yes a decision has been made . . .

"Weapons Engineering Technician"

~Thanks to all for lively discussion an valuable input!
All further queries on this subject should be posted to the "Ask The CSE Chief Thread" http://forums.navy.ca/forums/threads/73852.0.html

Cheers
CPO1 J.D. Parsons

 

[Neill McKay]

Yes a decision has been made . . .

"Weapons Engineering Technician"

To be known evermore as "WETs", regardless of what the official abbreviation will be!

 

[Harley Sailor]

I can hear the jokes rolling in now... Are you Wet yet... You're all WET behind the ears... and don't forget the ones who will be slippery when WET

 

[medicineman]

So I guess "TARS" - Target Acquisition and Removal Systems - is out of the question then?

MM

 

[Chief Gunner]

A wet in Canadian Naval jargon is an adult (alcohol) beverage. As in have a wet or lets go for a wet.

 

[Occam]

Yes a decision has been made . . .

"Weapons Engineering Technician"

I think the question posed a little earlier was asking if there was a new name chosen for the CSE Branch, as the title of the thread suggests.

What's this about "Weapons Engineering Technician"?

 

[DONT_PANIC]

Based on the amalgamation of technical trades, have you heard anything about amalgamation of different ops trades?  Once in a while, one hears rumours of this happening.  If it were, has anyone from ops looked for any practices or lessons learned from what you've been working on?

 

[George Wallace]

Occam and others.

Did you miss this post from the "horses mouth"?

Yes a decision has been made . . .

"Weapons Engineering Technician"

~Thanks to all for lively discussion an valuable input!
All further queries on this subject should be posted to the "Ask The CSE Chief Thread" http://forums.navy.ca/forums/threads/73852.0.html

Cheers
CPO1 J.D. Parsons

 

[Harley Sailor]

Are you calling the Chief a horse face

All joking aside I agree with Occan. WET is the trade, what is the Branch going to be called?

 

[Neill McKay]

what is the Branch going to be called?

Is this not a part of the Naval Operations Branch?

 

[Occam]

Is this not a part of the Naval Operations Branch?

Yes, in the grander scheme of things.  The Naval Operations Branch is in the same vein as the Combat Arms Branch and the Air Operations Branch.  It encompasses all the "hard sea trades", eg. Bos'n, stokers, hull techs, NET, NWT, Nav Comm, NCI Op, NES Op, Steward (wasn't my call on that one), etc. 

The shipboard organization is somewhat more granular - the CSE Branch encompasses the NET trades, and the gun busters (NWT).  The MSE Branch encompasses the stokers, hull techs, electricians, and firefighters.  The Operations branch is the Nav Comms, NCI Ops, NES Ops and Met Techs.  In this structure, branch and department are used interchangeably.  There's also the Deck department (Bos'ns), but I've never heard anyone refer to the "Deck Branch".