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Bruce Monkhouse said:
Fixed it for you
That other word died a long time ago. 
Manitoba bus stabbing/ beheading
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Fixed it for you
That other word died a long time ago. 
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Lil_T said:
The article is being facecious in many places. The point is, now that whackjob has been deemed not criminally responsible, he will be treated as a person with a medical condition and efforts to make him better will be pursued. This means all the mental trauma of people giving him mean looks and what not may be precluded, because it may be contrary to his getting better.
Just in case you thought you might see victim rights get trampled in the event of him being found guilty, just watch how badly they get mauled now that he is a "patient". Also, don't be surprised if somebody moves heaven and earth to get this guy a new identity and spirits him off to a new part of Canada once he is "better" so he can have a "fair chance at a normal life".
Which is more than Tim got.
Yrys
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I prefer the following title :
Bus beheader to remain under heavy security
A provincial review board has ruled that Vince Li, the man who beheaded a fellow passenger aboard
a Grehound bus, must remain under heavy security at a Manitoba psychiatric facility.
Li is currently under supervision at a secure ward of the Health Sciences Centre. But he will now be
transferred to the high-risk ward at the Selkirk Mental Health Centre when room is available. The
board's chairman, John Stefaniuk, said the decision was based on recommendations from Li's psychiatrist.
He told the Winnipeg Free Press that detailed reasons for the decision would be prepared in the next few
months, but the information may not be made public. "That's still something we're going to be discussing,"
he said.
Last March, a judge found Li not criminally responsible for killing Tim McLean as the bus travelled near
Portage La Prairie, Man. Li was remanded to a secure psychiatric facility. The board had to decide whether
Li should remain in an institution, be given a conditional release or an absolute discharge.
McLean's mother, Carol de Delley, had said she did not want to see Li released. "I'm certain that they will
hold him," de Delley told Canada AM on Monday. "I believe today all they're going to do is determine
where they're going to hold him."
Twenty-two-year-old McLean had been asleep in the seat beside Li prior to the brutal attack, which sent
passengers running from the bus. Justice John Scurfield said in his ruling that while the murder was indeed
"appalling," Li "did not appreciate the act he committed was morally wrong. He believed he was acting in
self defence and that he had been commanded by God to do so."
Both the Crown and the defence agreed that Li is schizophrenic and was suffering from a psychotic episode
when he killed the young man. Because he was declared not criminally responsible for the murder, Li will
not have a criminal record. However, he must submit his DNA into a registry in the event that he is one
day released and suspected of another crime.
With files from The Canadian Press
Bus beheader to remain under heavy security
A provincial review board has ruled that Vince Li, the man who beheaded a fellow passenger aboard
a Grehound bus, must remain under heavy security at a Manitoba psychiatric facility.
Li is currently under supervision at a secure ward of the Health Sciences Centre. But he will now be
transferred to the high-risk ward at the Selkirk Mental Health Centre when room is available. The
board's chairman, John Stefaniuk, said the decision was based on recommendations from Li's psychiatrist.
He told the Winnipeg Free Press that detailed reasons for the decision would be prepared in the next few
months, but the information may not be made public. "That's still something we're going to be discussing,"
he said.
Last March, a judge found Li not criminally responsible for killing Tim McLean as the bus travelled near
Portage La Prairie, Man. Li was remanded to a secure psychiatric facility. The board had to decide whether
Li should remain in an institution, be given a conditional release or an absolute discharge.
McLean's mother, Carol de Delley, had said she did not want to see Li released. "I'm certain that they will
hold him," de Delley told Canada AM on Monday. "I believe today all they're going to do is determine
where they're going to hold him."
Twenty-two-year-old McLean had been asleep in the seat beside Li prior to the brutal attack, which sent
passengers running from the bus. Justice John Scurfield said in his ruling that while the murder was indeed
"appalling," Li "did not appreciate the act he committed was morally wrong. He believed he was acting in
self defence and that he had been commanded by God to do so."
Both the Crown and the defence agreed that Li is schizophrenic and was suffering from a psychotic episode
when he killed the young man. Because he was declared not criminally responsible for the murder, Li will
not have a criminal record. However, he must submit his DNA into a registry in the event that he is one
day released and suspected of another crime.
With files from The Canadian Press
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mariomike said:
Random people expect a company to abandon an asset valued over a hundred thousand dollars because of random event that happened on said asset.
I'm sorry, but the fact that this is getting press is honestly just stupid. If someone gets murdered in a house, do the relatives of the victim expect the house to be burned down so that no one is reminded of the crime? No. That would be stupid. Should the rules change when the asset in question is owned by a corporation rather than an individual? No.
Not to mention the fact that, from the perspective of the family, the only way they'd know if the bus is still on the road is if they ask. It's not like they're going to take the bus one day and notice that their son's spinal fluid is still splattered on the window. That stuff got cleaned up, and rather well I imagine. Take 5 buses, one of them being the one on which the murder took place, and guess what, the family wouldn't be able to tell which one was the crime scene, barring the use of unique identifiers like license plate, VIN, or some type of company ID number.
This is honestly just the family asking someone else to pay a great deal of money for little to no actual benefit to themselves.
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Retire Li, not the bus..........
Eye In The Sky
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gcclarke said:
I am actually surprised at your lack of compassion for them in this post, and "spinal fluid splattered..." comment was just tasteless.
Maybe, logically, it doesn't make sense to you. I hardly think the family is "logically thinking" about this, as I know I certainly wouldn't be if it had of been my daughter who was murdered on the bus.
Maybe some compassion for the family would be nice. It is a bus, it can be replaced.
Their son, on the other hand, can not...
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PMedMoe said:
That was because the house was owned by Bernardo.
Greyhound owns the bus, and I doubt that they would be will to destroy the bus, considering the amount it would cost to purchase a new one.
Unfortunately, that is the corporate life. If we went and destroyed every structure a murder was committed, well, we would all be living in a barren waste land, wouldn't you agree?
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Eye In The Sky said:
I appreciate that they've been through an ordeal, and that they're not thinking logically. However, that doesn't, in my mind, justify making outrageous demands. I mean, what if this had happened on a plane instead? Would they still be demanding that the plane be put out of service? Or perhaps a cruise ship? Or a mall?
Is it merely because a bus is acceptably "cheap" to the company and their shareholders that these demands are acceptable? It is a bus and it can be replaced, but there is no real reason to do so. It's been thoroughly cleaned up.
Grayhound has taken enough of a hit to their business over this whole affair. To expect them to stop using a perfectly good bus is just too much.
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gcclarke said:
The hits keep on coming. Greyhound was sensitive enough to remove their "bus rage" ads. However, the family is reported to have a lawsuit against Greyhound.
Also, they are ( reportedly ) suing the RCMP: "caused irreparable damage and injury thereby allowing (the killer) to defile the body of the deceased."
http://www2.canada.com/calgaryherald/news/story.html?id=631e9712-7eb2-4d6f-a99d-47b9d712dc9f
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Eye In The Sky said:
Start up a charitable drive to buy the bus, and have it destroyed. Show your compassion to another unfortunate victim, Greyhound.
dileas
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gcclarke said:
Hmmm. I don't know. I can see your point, but when I put my "if I were the father" hat on, I can see theirs, too.
In light of the post by MarioMike re: "we are going to sue everyone", I think my support for their stance has changed somewhat. Sort of went from a single shot to a canister round there IMO.
Having said that, if the family felt "justice was served" in our legal system, maybe they wouldn't be motivated to sue everyone.
My end state? I feel horrible for the family and hope they find some peace in the future.
I feel less horrible for the bus company.
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"Ground passes suggested for bus beheader:
WINNIPEG — Justice officials are opposing a recommendation that Greyhound killer Vincent Li be allowed daily ground passes at the Selkirk Mental Health Centre.":
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Crime/2010/05/31/14203706.html
WINNIPEG — Justice officials are opposing a recommendation that Greyhound killer Vincent Li be allowed daily ground passes at the Selkirk Mental Health Centre.":
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Crime/2010/05/31/14203706.html
