Federal Goverment's Kinder Morgan pipeline purchase
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Colin Parkinson
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It certainly does not help
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Canada does not control shipping in the Strait of Juan de Fuca and the Americans are less likely to commit economic hari kari than Canadians. I'm guessing that over time, despite whatever Canada decides, ships heading into the Port of Seattle will be killing whales in ever increasing numbers. Also note that we haven't strangled the Ports of Montreal, Quebec, and the Great Lakes despite an unsustainable loss of whales in the Gulf of St. Lawrence.
Colin Parkinson
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Both the US and Canada are working together to reduce impacts on the resident Killer whales. In fact the EPA has far more teeth than CEAA ever had and can force requirements onto shipping.
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Via Twitter 12 Oct 18:
1. Dan McTeague @GasBuddyDan
Nice to see WTI trading at $71.50 a barrel, Saudi Arabia getting $$78.71 for its heavy oil and even basketcase Venezuelan Merey getting $67.38/barrel. Canada’s WCS oil? $15.97
LET THAT SINK IN. WAKE UP CANADA.
2. Charles Adler@charlesadler
Charles Adler Retweeted Dan McTeague
If Quebec had to sell power and Ontario had to sell automotive and BC had to sell tourism at these kinds of disgusting discounts, we would say the country's in crisis. But the Ottawa attitude on this economic catastrophe for #Alberta is "there's nothing to see here."
1. Dan McTeague @GasBuddyDan
Nice to see WTI trading at $71.50 a barrel, Saudi Arabia getting $$78.71 for its heavy oil and even basketcase Venezuelan Merey getting $67.38/barrel. Canada’s WCS oil? $15.97
LET THAT SINK IN. WAKE UP CANADA.
2. Charles Adler@charlesadler
Charles Adler Retweeted Dan McTeague
If Quebec had to sell power and Ontario had to sell automotive and BC had to sell tourism at these kinds of disgusting discounts, we would say the country's in crisis. But the Ottawa attitude on this economic catastrophe for #Alberta is "there's nothing to see here."
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It's on again
https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/neb-tmx-killer-whales-1.5028051
The 16 new recommendations are:
Develop and implement a regional cumulative effects management plan.
Report publicly on the cumulative effects and health of the Salish Sea.
Develop a marine bird-monitoring and protection program.
Expedite the work in completing the feasibility study for establishing a Southern Strait of Georgia National Marine Conservation Area Reserve.
Develop a program to offset both the increased underwater noise and the increased strike risk posed to Species at Risk Act-listed marine mammal and fish species.
Consider slowdowns in certain marine shipping routes and noise reduction on ferries.
Update federal marine shipping oil spill response requirements.
Mandate enhanced tug escort in the Salish Sea for tankers.
Consider the need for a Canada/United States Transboundary Vessel Traffic Risk Assessment.
Develop greenhouse gas reduction measures related to marine shipping.
Seek feedback from the Indigenous advisory and monitoring committee on the marine safety system.
Continue engagement with coastal Indigenous communities, recreational boaters, fishing vessel operators and operators of small vessels.
Enhance the safety of all sizes of marine vessels.
Provide financial incentives to promote innovation in new oil recovery technologies.
Review the federal marine oil spill compensation regimes.
Develop a formal complaint resolution program.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/neb-tmx-killer-whales-1.5028051
The 16 new recommendations are:
Develop and implement a regional cumulative effects management plan.
Report publicly on the cumulative effects and health of the Salish Sea.
Develop a marine bird-monitoring and protection program.
Expedite the work in completing the feasibility study for establishing a Southern Strait of Georgia National Marine Conservation Area Reserve.
Develop a program to offset both the increased underwater noise and the increased strike risk posed to Species at Risk Act-listed marine mammal and fish species.
Consider slowdowns in certain marine shipping routes and noise reduction on ferries.
Update federal marine shipping oil spill response requirements.
Mandate enhanced tug escort in the Salish Sea for tankers.
Consider the need for a Canada/United States Transboundary Vessel Traffic Risk Assessment.
Develop greenhouse gas reduction measures related to marine shipping.
Seek feedback from the Indigenous advisory and monitoring committee on the marine safety system.
Continue engagement with coastal Indigenous communities, recreational boaters, fishing vessel operators and operators of small vessels.
Enhance the safety of all sizes of marine vessels.
Provide financial incentives to promote innovation in new oil recovery technologies.
Review the federal marine oil spill compensation regimes.
Develop a formal complaint resolution program.
daftandbarmy
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Colin P said:
And then reverse the Woodland Caribou extinction while you're at it
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Good thing we own it. No company could afford to meet all those conditions without going bust. And they have just made it more expensive for every ship that enters the waterway regardless of whether it is carrying crude or not.Colin P said:
And the picket lines and trespassing will be back monday with lawsuits and court order requests to follow on Tuesday.
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It's on again ... Really!!! Not, is my opinion.
Here's an interesting portion of the "bureaucratic" version put up by Tony:
In addition, the NEB has made 16 recommendations to the Government of Canada related to Project-related marine shipping, including: cumulative effects management for the Salish Sea, measures to offset increased underwater noise and increased strike risk posted to SARA-listed marine mammal and fish species, marine oil spill response, marine shipping and small vessel safety, reduction of GHG emissions from marine vessels, and the Indigenous Advisory and Monitoring Committee for the Project./i]
Those 16 recommendations to the Government of Canada are the ones listed below by Colin:
Rest assured that:
(1) the various groups fighting this take all possible actions to make sure that these "recommendations" become considered compulsory conditions for the construction of the pipeline in the population's mind, i.e. that they must be met before anything gets built; and,
(2) that the current governing party will see it as such in any event as anything else would lose them their B.C. seats for quite a while.
Now look at how extensive the plans and regulations requirements "recommended" by the NEB are. Colin can probably attest to this, but Transport Canada is one of the slowest department when it comes to regulating anything. When Offshore oil was developed off Newfoundland, it took them seven years to come up with minor tweaks to marine regulations to add things like compulsory survival suits for all onboard support vessels.
There is enough regulatory work required to give effect to the NEB "recommendations" to keep that department going for half a century before achieving anything - unless the government invests heavily into expanding the department at great cost. I don't think Canadians are ready for the types of investment that would require.
So mark my words: this thing that just costs us 4.5 B$, and will cost many more billions to just appear (on the part of the government) to move on the "recommendations", so as to not alienate Alberta even more, will move so far off in the future that it will ultimately never be built.
The funny thing is, if the government had not bought Kinder Morgan, the pipeline could probably have been built and permits/certificates issued with the company meeting its 156 obligations and the GoC merely saying it was taking the recommendations to it onboard and was moving on them. Now that the GoC is the shareholder of the pipeline company, the two become entangled and not really separable.
Anyway, I'll be dead by the time Alberta oil flows in the new Trans mountain. ;D
Here's an interesting portion of the "bureaucratic" version put up by Tony:
In addition, the NEB has made 16 recommendations to the Government of Canada related to Project-related marine shipping, including: cumulative effects management for the Salish Sea, measures to offset increased underwater noise and increased strike risk posted to SARA-listed marine mammal and fish species, marine oil spill response, marine shipping and small vessel safety, reduction of GHG emissions from marine vessels, and the Indigenous Advisory and Monitoring Committee for the Project./i]
Those 16 recommendations to the Government of Canada are the ones listed below by Colin:
Colin P said:
Rest assured that:
(1) the various groups fighting this take all possible actions to make sure that these "recommendations" become considered compulsory conditions for the construction of the pipeline in the population's mind, i.e. that they must be met before anything gets built; and,
(2) that the current governing party will see it as such in any event as anything else would lose them their B.C. seats for quite a while.
Now look at how extensive the plans and regulations requirements "recommended" by the NEB are. Colin can probably attest to this, but Transport Canada is one of the slowest department when it comes to regulating anything. When Offshore oil was developed off Newfoundland, it took them seven years to come up with minor tweaks to marine regulations to add things like compulsory survival suits for all onboard support vessels.
There is enough regulatory work required to give effect to the NEB "recommendations" to keep that department going for half a century before achieving anything - unless the government invests heavily into expanding the department at great cost. I don't think Canadians are ready for the types of investment that would require.
So mark my words: this thing that just costs us 4.5 B$, and will cost many more billions to just appear (on the part of the government) to move on the "recommendations", so as to not alienate Alberta even more, will move so far off in the future that it will ultimately never be built.
The funny thing is, if the government had not bought Kinder Morgan, the pipeline could probably have been built and permits/certificates issued with the company meeting its 156 obligations and the GoC merely saying it was taking the recommendations to it onboard and was moving on them. Now that the GoC is the shareholder of the pipeline company, the two become entangled and not really separable.
Anyway, I'll be dead by the time Alberta oil flows in the new Trans mountain. ;D
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Well we could start by banning recreational boating in Georgia Strait, requiring all ferry traffic to be limited to essential travel only. I am sure all the progressives can get behind that....
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FSTO said:
But, most of the companies have the prefix "eco" right in their name. That must mean something!
And of course, none of their boats run on petroleum fuel, right? :
SeaKingTacco said:But, most of the companies have the prefix "eco" right in their name. That must mean something!
And of course, none of their boats run on petroleum fuel, right? :
I'm so impressed you could type that with a straight face. :cheers:
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Old Sweat said:
Be careful, the City of Victoria might sue you, too:
City of Victoria recommends class-action lawsuit against the oil and gas industry
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/british-columbia/article-city-of-victoria-recommends-class-action-lawsuit-against-the-oil-and/
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I see it's working. SNC is sliding quietly away, as is JWR.
This and other small little bush fires are being set to see which one the wind gets behind that can be fanned into a conflagration, but making sure the dynamite sweats just enough nobody will will remember anything else. Once the threat is over, it can be safely stored away forever, in the old mine.
That's what I was thinking, anyway, while staring at the ceiling and listening to this crazy 40-60 kph west wind. Idle musings of an unoccupied mind. :alone:
SNC is sliding quietly away, as is JWR.This and other small little bush fires are being set to see which one the wind gets behind that can be fanned into a conflagration, but making sure the dynamite sweats just enough nobody will will remember anything else. Once the threat is over, it can be safely stored away forever, in the old mine.
That's what I was thinking, anyway, while staring at the ceiling and listening to this crazy 40-60 kph west wind. Idle musings of an unoccupied mind. :alone:
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daftandbarmy said:
The same city that pumped their crap directly into the ocean because they were to cheap to pay for a primary treatment plant...
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Is it just me or does anyone else see an NEB pushback against the Feds and BC?
None of these recommendations are within the purview of private industry. I sense that all of these are only included because the owner is now the Federal Government, the same Feds that have cast aspersions on the NEB.
Also we have recommendations that will inflict pain on BC even in the absence of a pipeline reference.
The board is essentially recommending that all marine traffic should be reconsidered for its effects on greenhouse gases and orcas. If you are going to go green then you need to drive your ferries slower (more ferries BC, and longer transit time commuters) and you really should do something about all those internal combustion engines powering all ships and boats in your harbour Vancouver. All those dirty bulk freighters idling at anchor.
And while we're at it lets tighten up on our oil spill response and general marine safety Feds.
This list is not directed at the oil transport system. In my view it is arguing for "levelling the playing field" by saying that if there are concerns about the effects of tankers then the same concerns are equally valid for every other hull in the water (including whale watching boats).
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