Direct Entry Officer (DEO) questions [Merged]

[Joe Blow]

Thank-you for the feedback guys.

Results are usually, hopefully, out a couple of weeks after the last board and will detail who was selected, who was waitlisted and who was not selected.  THe CFRC/Ds will contact everyone in due time.

kincanucks - My hat is off to you sir.

Uberman -  My file handleer seems like a nice fellow.  If he is able to I'm sure he will tell me if i have not been selected as soon as he knows.  I will definitely stay in touch. 

 

[denisottawa]

Hey there all. I am doing my third year in college in Electrical Engineering. I will do a 1 year stunt in univeristy to gain my degree so I can apply as an Officer.

I want to know of others who have applied for DEO, or those who are finaly in the forces doing this? Just want to know about the bonus you receive, time you must serve, do you like it or regret it? Just overal experience you have encountered. I am seriously considering this as a career, so just want to know if anyone can tell me more about it.  I have read alot on the website and just want to know from a point of view inside this whole process.


Thanks

 

[Pieman]

If you are certain that this is a career path for you, start the application process as soon as you can. It can take a very long time and the sooner you get the application process moving, the better.

From what I understand, you can start the process before you get your degree, and CFRC should process your application up till a point pending you complete it. (Not sure how far they will process your application durring that time, but it is better to start sooner than later)

Really, stop by the recruiting center and talk to them. Get the ball rolling if you can.

 

[hoote]

Hi, this is for anyone who knows but especially for Kincanucks if he is around.

Is the process for selecting a DEO the same as for NCM's?  In one of Kincanucks previous posts, he explained that all applicants for a specific trade are graded according to how well they scored on the PT test, interview, CFAT, etc. and then a computer ranks their overall score from highest to lowest.  The list is given to the board and then offers are made to fill the quota (need 100, take the top 100).  Is that how DEO's are selected? 

In my case would all the infantry officer candidates get ranked according to how they scored on the various application processes (PT, CFAT, interview, etc.) and then offers made based on that ranked list alone?

 

[Caesar416]

Entering as an officier means you had to get a degree. Your grades probably count as an important part in the process, or does it not?

 

[Pieman]

Can't give an answer as detalied as kincanucks can, but this is my understanding of it:

In my case would all the infantry officer candidates get ranked according to how they scored on the various application processes (PT, CFAT, interview, etc.) and then offers made based on that ranked list alone?

My understanding is that the difference between NCM and Officer candidates is that your file will go to a selection board. So you will have a group of people taking a nice hard look at your file, and trying to decide if you would be good or not. I think Officers are still given a rank based upon the interview and test, but other aspects will come into play. Your University education (grades?), your physical condition (how active of a lifestyle do you have, sports?), Work experience, life experience, etc. etc.

I was told that on average there are 3 applicants for 1 Officer position. It can be a much more competitive position to obtain and in your application, you should do everything you can to make yourself as competitive as possible.   For example, during my follow up interview I brought in receipts for physical training classes I had been taking. They increased my score as a result. Why? Because instead of just saying, "Oh yea, I'm working out" I was able to show I really was working at it and taking it seriously.

If I am off about this, I am sure kincanucks will set it straight for us.

 

[hoote]

Hmm.... just what I needed.  I Assumed that since I have been following this forum since august last year that I would have seen a posting like that but that one was from Dec 2004 so I didn't look back far enough. 

Totally answered my question.  Thanks!

 

[ReadyAyeReady]

While not discounting the importance of being as physically fit as possible, from what I understand the PT test is done on a pass/fail basis.  So as long as you pass then that's all that matters as far as how it affects your overall DEO application.  Although, I would assume that the more sports and physical activities you do in your free time would affect the application.  That doesn't mean to just do the bare minimum though as far as PT goes.  Someone correct me if I am wrong.

 

[Pieman]

I have not done my PT test at all, and have already gone through the selection boards. So you are correct in that it does not come into play, it seems to be just a requirement that you must meet at some point.

 

[casing]

I have not done my PT test at all, and have already gone through the selection boards. So you are correct in that it does not come into play, it seems to be just a requirement that you must meet at some point.

Correct.  When I was going through the application process I was told not to take the PT test until I received an offer.  Once an offer came in, I booked the PT test within a couple of days.  In the event that I had failed the PT test, my recruiting officer told me I would have been able re-try the test and pass it within a few weeks (3 or 4).  I imagine that having DEO candidates not take the test until receiving an offer is an effort to cut down on costs.  Good idea, far as I'm concerned.

 

[kincanucks]

All processing including the physical is to be complete in order to go to the selection board.  That is the standard now but it has been broken sometimes.

 

[kincanucks]

It has been decided by CFRG HQ that the requirement to hold DEO selection boards on fixed dates for "non-specialist occupations" those occupations that do not require specialist boards (NOAB, MPAC, etc) are no longer necessary.  Therefore starting 15 Apr 06 will be the date that CFRG will do its first round of selection for "non-specialist occupations" (everything but MARS, MPO and Legal) and approximately every six weeks after that there will another selection cycle until the IAP/BOTPs in Sep/Jan are filled.  The way it will work is that when the file is ready (everything is completed: CFAT, Interview, ERC, PT, Med, etc) for a non-specialist officer occupation it will be merit listed and it will be immediately sent to CFRG HQ for consdieration.  As always I am available for questions.

 

[scoutfinch]

Kindly advise as to how the DEO Boards are now going to apply to DEO candidates to INT.

Thanks in advance.

SF

 

[Guy. E]

I have two questions.

1) What is "DEO"?

2) What you posted is regarding non specialist occupations. What happens in the example of a specialist trade?

 

[George Wallace]

I have two questions.

1) What is "DEO"?

Direct Entry Officer.

2) What you posted is regarding non specialist occupations. What happens in the example of a specialist trade?

Officers don't have Specialist Trades like NCMs.  There are basically three Pay Scales for Officers, which also breakdown into different categories.  One for the majority of Officers, one for Pilot Officers and the third for Medical and Dental Officers.  If you search the DND site for Pay you will find them all broken down for you.  You will also find a lot more on DEO by using the SEARCH FUNCTION.

 

[kincanucks]

Kindly advise as to how the DEO Boards are now going to apply to DEO candidates to INT.

Thanks in advance.

SF

Well being a non-specialist occupation the same procedures would apply.

 

[scoutfinch]

My understanding was that until recently there was no opportunity to go INTO via direct entry.

I stand to be corrected but I believe it changed within the past month or so.  I believe the minimum educational qualification is a graduate degree in a specified field. 

I was wondering how the DEO process would mesh with the INT screening.  Sorry if my question wasn't clear.

Thanks again.

 

[kincanucks]

My understanding was that until recently there was no opportunity to go INTO via direct entry.

I stand to be corrected but I believe it changed within the past month or so.   I believe the minimum educational qualification is a graduate degree in a specified field. 

I was wondering how the DEO process would mesh with the INT screening.  Sorry if my question wasn't clear.

Thanks again.

To be eligible for DEO INT O an applicants needs to have a Masters in a specified field.  However, if the occupation was considered to be experiencing urgent personnel requirements, which it is not, there may be exceptions.

There is no additional screening required for INT Os and they are processed the same way as a Cbt Arms applicant for example.

 

[scoutfinch]

Thanks very much for clearing that up for me as I had become somewhat muddled by the process.

So, if someone were to apply DEO INT with the proper academic qualifications, they could be accepted as an INT O but obtaining a top secret security clearance would be another stage in the process, distinct from the application and training process?  I just want to make sure I have it clear in my head. 

I appreciate your time and assistance with what must appear as rudimentary questions!

 

[kincanucks]

Thanks very much for clearing that up for me as I had become somewhat muddled by the process.

So, if someone were to apply DEO INT with the proper academic qualifications, they could be accepted as an INT O but obtaining a top secret security clearance would be another stage in the process, distinct from the application and training process?  I just want to make sure I have it clear in my head. 

I appreciate your time and assistance with what must appear as rudimentary questions!

Obtaining a Level III clearance has nothing to do with the selection and application process (unless there were security concerns from residency and foreign travel and which case that would involve a pre-assessment) that process will be carried out after an applicant is enrolled.  However, if an applicant was not granted a Level III after being enrolled I guess they wouldn't be an INT O anymore.