Cutting the CF/DND HQ bloat - Excess CF Sr Leadership, Public Servants and Contractors

[dapaterson]

Just don't critique LFDTS  >

So, what proprotion of the 23% does LFDTS make up? 

 

[daftandbarmy]

I'm afraid any Res leadership in attendance is still in the Chicken Little-mode about a separate comment made. 

Oh please, don't keep us in suspense!  op:

 

[west_coaster]

In total, currently, there are 68,000 in the Canadian Forces.

 

[PMedMoe]

In total, currently, there are 68,000 in the Canadian Forces.

Source?  Is that Reg only or Reg and Res combined?  Is that effective strength?

I could go on.......

Edit for spelling error.

 

[Bzzliteyr]

Squirrel.

My post has equal value.

 

[dapaterson]

According to the CFDS, the target strength for the Regular Force is 68 000.  That is not the Trained Effective Strength target, though, as it include NES, BTL, ATL, SPHL...

There is also the Reserve Force, with different targets for the Primary Reserve, COATS and Candian Rangers; the Supplementary Reserve does not have a strength target, to my knowledge, but does have a best before date; as I recall, after 10 years or on reaching age 65 members are released from the Supp Res.

 

[Infanteer]

MND/CDS made the announcement of Canadian Joint Operations Command (CJOC) that merges the functions of CANADACOM, CEFCOM and CANOSCOM.  It will be led by a 3* and will result in a 25% reduction in HQ personnel.

Spitballing the next steps:

1)  Take the RCAF, RCN and CA, reduce to 2*, and put under a 3* single Forces Command to oversee joint force managed readiness and generation.  This would contain force generation formations (Areas-LFDTS/1-2 Can Air Div/Fleets) and reduce (if not already) all to 1* commands.

2)  Take force development pieces from the 3 Services (LFDTS/COS Land Strat, Canadian Force Maritime Warfare Centre and DirGen Air Force Development) and put them under CFD to create a single Joint Force Development organization (2*) under the VCDS.

This gets the CF side of the DND side of the principal L1 house down to VCDS, SJS, CANFORCESCOM, CJOC, CANSOFCOM, and CMP.

 

[armyvern]

Just read that message on my crackberry.

So, I can take it that I am officially a CJOC now??  :camo:

 

[The Bread Guy]

MND/CDS made the announcement of Canadian Joint Operations Command (CJOC) that merges the functions of CANADACOM, CEFCOM and CANOSCOM.  It will be led by a 3* and will result in a 25% reduction in HQ personnel ....

Here's the Info-machine's version on both this, and some naval changes:

Today, the Honourable Peter MacKay, Minister of National Defence, is pleased to announce a new Operational Command and Control structure for all Canadian Forces (CF) operations and Naval transformation. This initiative is part of a renewed CF transformation effort – a process designed to ensure that the CF deliver results for Canadians.

The CF will launch a revised Operational Command and Control structure with the creation of a single command, the Canadian Joint Operations Command (CJOC). Consolidating the activities of Canada Command, Canadian Expeditionary Force Command, and Canadian Operational Support Command, this new headquarters will be responsible for conducting all CF operations in Canada, North America, and globally, in concert with national and international partners.

(....)

The new CJOC, which will be implemented in a phased approach in the upcoming months, will be commanded by a Lieutenant-General. This phase of the defence renewal initiative will result in a 25 per cent reduction in national-level command and control overhead, and it will make more efficient use of administrative resources. This will allow for a redistribution of CF personnel to emerging capabilities and operational demands, allowing the CF to remain ready to meet its core missions, with a focus on domestic operations.

“I'm committed to protecting Canada and Canada's interests in the world, working with our global and continental allies, along with our federal, provincial and regional partners here at home,” said General Walter Natynczyk, Chief of the Defence Staff. “The implementation of the CJOC will result in a smaller, more efficient organization that will continue to deliver the same excellence in operational support to all of our people, at home and abroad. Furthermore, one command and control system will help us to deliver the capabilities required to face current conflicts and better plan for future global security challenges.”

Further, as the Royal Canadian Navy (RCN) gets ready to operate the new fleet of federal ships, Vice-Admiral Maddison has structured the Navy to operate efficiently and effectively, today and tomorrow. Navy Transformation initiatives announced today include:

- The creation of the Directorate Canadian Submarine Force (DCSF);
- The consolidation of the five naval schools under one single training authority;
- Coastal Personnel Coordination Centres (PCC) will be brought under a single authority;
- The creation of a single fleet scheduling management authority;
- Formalizing the role of a national Maritime Component Commander (MCC) for international deployments; and
- The creation of the Directorate New Capability Introduction (DNCI) ....

And from the backgrounder:

.... The timeframe

    September 2005: The first phase of the CF Transformation process begins with the announcement that new organizations will be created to support new operational requirements in the conduct of operations for the CF.
    February 2006: The new Operational Commands – Canada Command, Canadian Expeditionary Force Command, Canadian Special Operations Forces Command, and Canadian Operational Support Command – are stood up. This new CF operating structure serves Canada well in leading simultaneous domestic, continental, and international operations. Seven years later, many lessons have been learned.
    July 2011: The next phase of CF Transformation examines how the Department of National Defence and the CF work and identifies opportunities for improvements and efficiencies. At the end of the period, the Transformation Team produces a report of observations and recommendations for consideration by the Chief of the Defence Staff and the Minister of National Defence.
    September 2011 and onwards: The Transformation Report is released, providing “a 360-degree look at the Canadian Forces” (General Natynczyk). In the weeks following the release, rounds of analysis begin to show where and how certain aspects of the Transformation Report can be aligned with other complementary efforts already in progress ....

 

[ettibebs]

Didn't see anything about it on the forum, Mods feel free to merge if I didn't look it up properly.

To me it sound like a good thing but as many have pointed out that we are kind of top heavy in the CF.

In English :
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/story/2012/05/12/department-of-national-defence-overhaul-consolidation.html

En français:
http://www.radio-canada.ca/nouvelles/Politique/2012/05/12/001-restructuration-forces-canadiennes.shtml

 

[Northern Ranger]

So what does this all mean?  Is Canada Command gone? Are they closing the JTF's ? Or will this just be one more level of command. Does anyone have any idea?

 

[PuckChaser]

CEFCOM, CANADACOM and CANOSCOM are all reforming into JOC, seems like the JTFs will stay, but now report to JOC not to CANADACOM.

 

[The_Dictat]

I love how the Canadian Press is saying that it will lead to thousands of job cuts... They think the CF will shrink... at the most a few dozen civies and CL B P Res will lose their jobs... Reg F PY will be redistributed to other areas.

As far as I know the RJTF will stay put..

 

[The Bread Guy]

Source?  Is that Reg only or Reg and Res combined?  Is that effective strength?

Here's what the latest RPP has to say:

.... Strengthening the Defence Team

    The long-term objectives of Regular and Reserve Force personnel have been met and will be maintained, with the Regular Force at 68,000 Total Strength and the Reserve Force at an annual average paid strength of 27,000;
    Defence will maintain the Regular Force by:
        Maintaining the current CF strength at 68,000 (+/- 500);
        Bringing the size of the Trained Effective Strength (TES) closer to the size of the Trained Effective Establishment (TEE) by continuing to reduce the Basic Training List (BTL);
        Reducing the number of distressed occupations; and
        Reducing the number of over-strength occupations.
    To ensure Defence has the skilled, competent and sustainable civilian workforce it needs, investment in renewing the workforce will be targeted to support critical organizational and operational objectives, including:
        Research to identify under-strength occupations in order to maintain civilian capacity to fill mission critical roles;
        Continuation of the Apprenticeship and Operational Development Program, a comprehensive strategy for attracting, retaining and managing general labour and trades talent; and
        Continued implementation of stressed occupation development programs (purchasing, finance, engineering, and computing), which include staffing tools and systems to manage those specialized areas where skills shortages are an issue.
    Defence PA will ensure CF recruitment activities are supported with comprehensive and targeted recruitment advertising initiatives ....

 

[57Chevy]

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Thousands of National Defence jobs at risk in shakeup
The Canadian Press 12 May
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/05/12/department-of-national-defence-overhaul-consolidation.html


The federal government has quietly announced a major shakeup at National Defence, a move that will largely return the military to its pre-Afghan combat mission structure, and possibly shed thousands of jobs.

The restructuring of commands will see the headquarters that manage domestic, international and support operations merged into one structure.

Defence Minister Peter MacKay says the overhaul is built on some lessons learned from the Afghan, Libyan and Olympic operations.

MacKay says the new headquarters, known as Canadian Joint Operations Command, will be responsible for conducting all military missions at home and abroad at the best cost to taxpayers.

The consolidation will result in a 25 per cent reduction in the size of defence command-and-control overhead — something described as a necessity in a review report by last year by the former head of the army, retired lieutenant-general Andrew Leslie.

Precisely how many job losses or retirements that will mean is unclear.

Leslie's report painted a picture of a military fat with administration and private contracting support.

The restructuring announcement was made by National Defence, which has been under fire for secrecy, in a late Friday afternoon news release.

The country's top military commander, Gen. Walt Natynczyk, says the changes will be phased in over several months.

Navy tweaked

The command structure that's being torn down and replaced was initially designed by the former Canadian Forces chief, retired general Rick Hillier, to serve the post-Sept. 11, 2001, military. It was implemented by Natynczyk, who after four years in the top military job is rumoured to be ready to retire.

Liberal Senator Colin Kenny says the Leslie report was almost a complete repudiation of Hillier's more muscular, American-style command system.

As part of Friday's release, the Defence Department announced a reshuffle in the navy, creating separate directorates to handle the glitch-plagued submarine fleet and other agencies to help smooth the introduction of new ships to the fleet.

The navy is also consolidating all five of its fleet training schools into one authority.

 

[aesop081]

Thousands of National Defence jobs at risk in shakeup

Media fear-mongering. Nothing more.

 

[Armymedic]

No, there is more.

http://www.forces.gc.ca/site/news-nouvelles/news-nouvelles-eng.asp?id=4196

News Release

Back to the previous page
Minister MacKay introduces new Canadian Forces Operational Command and Control structure

NR 12.078 - May 11, 2012

OTTAWA – Today, the Honourable Peter MacKay, Minister of National Defence, is pleased to announce a new Operational Command and Control structure for all Canadian Forces (CF) operations and Naval transformation. This initiative is part of a renewed CF transformation effort – a process designed to ensure that the CF deliver results for Canadians.

The CF will launch a revised Operational Command and Control structure with the creation of a single command, the Canadian Joint Operations Command (CJOC). Consolidating the activities of Canada Command, Canadian Expeditionary Force Command, and Canadian Operational Support Command, this new headquarters will be responsible for conducting all CF operations in Canada, North America, and globally, in concert with national and international partners.

“This government is committed to defending Canada and protecting Canadians. Transformation is built on some hard-learned lessons from a period of unrelenting operational pace and on recommendations included in the 2011 Transformation report by Lieutenant-General Leslie, which have defined necessary organizational changes to prepare the CF for the next decade”, confirmed Minister MacKay. “Transformation is about reducing headquarters overhead to produce more 21st century capability. It will give the CF the agility to adapt as the future security environment dictates at the best cost to Canadian taxpayers.”

The new CJOC, which will be implemented in a phased approach in the upcoming months, will be commanded by a Lieutenant-General. This phase of the defence renewal initiative will result in a 25 per cent reduction in national-level command and control overhead, and it will make more efficient use of administrative resources. This will allow for a redistribution of CF personnel to emerging capabilities and operational demands, allowing the CF to remain ready to meet its core missions, with a focus on domestic operations.

“I'm committed to protecting Canada and Canada's interests in the world, working with our global and continental allies, along with our federal, provincial and regional partners here at home,” said General Walter Natynczyk, Chief of the Defence Staff. “The implementation of the CJOC will result in a smaller, more efficient organization that will continue to deliver the same excellence in operational support to all of our people, at home and abroad. Furthermore, one command and control system will help us to deliver the capabilities required to face current conflicts and better plan for future global security challenges.”

Further, as the Royal Canadian Navy (RCN) gets ready to operate the new fleet of federal ships, Vice-Admiral Maddison has structured the Navy to operate efficiently and effectively, today and tomorrow. Navy Transformation initiatives announced today include:

    The creation of the Directorate Canadian Submarine Force (DCSF);
    The consolidation of the five naval schools under one single training authority;
    Coastal Personnel Coordination Centres (PCC) will be brought under a single authority;
    The creation of a single fleet scheduling management authority;
    Formalizing the role of a national Maritime Component Commander (MCC) for international deployments; and
    The creation of the Directorate New Capability Introduction (DNCI).

In 2008, the commitment to defence demonstrated by the Government of Canada in the Canada First Defence Strategy (CFDS) enabled the RCN to begin a structural review, primarily aimed at optimizing resource allocation to achieve CFDS goals. The need to reorganize the RCN became further apparent with the government’s announcement to rebuild the navy’s fleet through the National Shipbuilding Procurement Strategy.

“The changes we are announcing today are designed to better prepare our sailors and officers to take up the challenges associated with the unprecedented opportunity we have been given by the government to renew Canada’s naval fleet,” said Vice-Admiral Maddison. “This is only the beginning. I invite all sailors and officers to join me in this journey and work together as one navy in achieving this aim.”

Transformation efforts seek to maximize CF capacity while ensuring an effective balance of resources and assets within the Defence Team and across the four defence pillars upon which CF capabilities are built – readiness, personnel, infrastructure, and equipment.

The result will be a more integrated, efficient, and agile organization that is responsive to defence and Government of Canada priorities.

 

[aesop081]

No, there is more.

I know what is involved, i have read it. The fear-mongering part is the "thousands of jobs at risk" part. The one i quoted in fact.

 

[jollyjacktar]

Coastal Personnel Coordination Centres (PCC) will be brought under a single authority;

Great, will this mean being raped from Ottawa, Esquimault or Halifax.  At least when you are trying to deal with PCC at present you might actually have a connection with the person you're speaking/writing to.  They're enough to make you go  ullhair: already...

 

[Armymedic]

I know what is involved, i have read it. The fear-mongering part is the "thousands of jobs at risk" part. The one i quoted in fact.

Rog.