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CDN/US Covid-related political discussion

Xylric

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I've been reading the book The Great Mortality on the Black Plague of the 14th century, and found more than a few unsettling parallels between then and now.

The most prominent being the tendency of the politicians to be slow in responding to the crisis as it related to "undesirables."

Much, much less of an issue now, but I would be remiss in not acknowledging that the response of several countries clearly and unmistakably demonstrate such behaviour...
 

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Trump’s national security adviser has coronavirus

President Donald Trump’s National Security Adviser Robert O’Brien has tested positive for the coronavirus — making him the highest-ranking official to test positive so far.

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https://apnews.com/e33624678d5d6422ded5c9d732b1f543

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trumps-national-security-adviser-robert-obrien-tests-positive/story?id=72008482

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/robert-obrien-tests-positive-coronavirus-national-security-adviser-covid-19/

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-virus-usa-obrien/trump-national-security-adviser-obrien-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-idUSKCN24S1L2
 

Brad Sallows

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Whew.  After a break in posts, I was afraid we were going to stop being updated whenever some famous politician / entertainer / writer / artist / whoever tested positive.
 

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Brad Sallows said:
Whew.  After a break in posts, I was afraid we were going to stop being updated whenever some famous politician / entertainer / writer / artist / whoever tested positive.

O'Brien is not a "famous" politician, but he has written a book.

;D
 

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Brad Sallows said:
Whew.  After a break in posts, I was afraid we were going to stop being updated whenever some famous politician / entertainer / writer / artist / whoever tested positive.

Not to worry. Only his National Security Adviser.  :)

President Trump's only comment today on Robert O'Brien testing positive was that he hasn't seen him lately, which some found odd given he's the national security adviser.
https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1287863489957158912


 

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Brad Sallows said:
Whew.  After a break in posts, I was afraid we were going to stop being updated whenever some famous politician / entertainer / writer / artist / whoever tested positive.

It’s of interest given that he has presumably frequent close access to the President. Anything causing this virus to ‘hit home’ for POTUS is potentially significant. His personal beliefs and experiences seem to factor pretty significantly in how he forms policy.
 

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Everyone senior in government has access to a lot of other senior people and often has to be around other people.  Substitute almost anything for "government" in that sentence.  Expecting total containment is unrealistic.
 

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Trump on Fauci's high approval ratings: 'Nobody likes me'

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"He's working with our administration and for the most part we have done pretty much what he and others, Dr. Birx and others, who are terrific, recommended. And he’s got this high approval rating. So why don’t I have a high approval rating and the administration with respect to the virus? We should have a very high (approval rating)," Trump said.

"So it sort of is curious, a man works for us, and yet they're highly thought of and nobody likes me. It can only be my personality," he said.

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-hydroxychloroquine/trump-on-faucis-high-approval-ratings-nobody-likes-me-idUSKCN24T30F
 

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Social media users more likely to believe false information, McGill study suggests

A new study out of Montreal points to a link between misinformation and social media when it comes to perceptions and behaviours surrounding the coronavirus pandemic.

More specifically, researchers looked at the prevalence of misinformation on social media compared to traditional Canadian news media and how exposure to false information influenced behaviour.

The study, conducted by seven researchers at McGill University, suggests that the dissemination of false information is in fact more widespread on social media than traditional news media.

Aengus Bridgman, a PhD Candidate at McGill University and the study’s co-author, said there are various explanations as to why that happens.

“Historically, organizations, large-scale news organizations felt a deep sense of sort of civic responsibility that they were trying to inform the public good,” he said.

While noting that it may not always be successful, Bridgman said that it led to the development of certain standards in the industry such as having two sources on the record or not sharing information that was suspected of being misleading.

Social media platforms, Bridgman said, “do not feel that same sense of responsibility,” although he admitted to recent efforts in that direction.

Additionally, the study found that people who primarily get their information from social media are more likely to believe false information and act accordingly, as opposed to those who consume more traditional media.

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https://globalnews.ca/news/7229581/coronavirus-social-media-disinformation-mcgill/

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https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/misinformation-on-the-virus-is-proving-highly-contagious-1.5044206
 

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You End Up Believing What You Want to Believe

You bias your interpretation of evidence toward what you desire.

In many real-world situations, there is conflicting evidence from different studies.  So, it is important to make judgments about which evidence is strongest.  But, these results suggest that people are biased to interpret the evidence in ways that are consistent with their desires. That means that people may ultimately come to believe that the weight of evidence supports the position that they already wanted to believe was true.  And they will believe this without recognizing that their own desires influenced the evaluation of the evidence.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/ulterior-motives/201107/you-end-believing-what-you-want-believe
 

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Journeyman said:
Just got an update from the folks running the Sturgis motorcycle rally -- a village of under 7K pers, which has been getting +/- 750K bikers for the first week in August;  this year was expected to be higher because it's the 80th anniversary.

They're still looking at running the bike rally, as of yesterday.

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[Edit: changed anniversary from 75th to 80th.  I should have remembered; I was there for the 75th (plus, 68th, 70th, 73rd...).  I guess that brain cell was self-isolating]

Saw it on the news today. Bikers everywhere. Masks nowhere.
 

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mariomike said:
Saw it on the news today. Bikers everywhere. Masks nowhere.

So kind of like the BLM protests except they're putting money into the community instead of smashing it  :nod:
 

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September to be, "Half price motorcycle month?"  :nod:
 

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Jarnhamar said:
So kind of like the BLM protests except they're putting money into the community instead of smashing it  :nod:

And there's around 2 orders of magnitude more people, they are coming from hot spots around the country traveling in a social environment for thousands of miles. it lasts a lot longer than 6-8 hours, there is probably a lot closer contact, and they are going home again.
 

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AmmoTech90 said:
And there's around 2 orders of magnitude more people, they are coming from hot spots around the country traveling in a social environment for thousands of miles. it lasts a lot longer than 6-8 hours, there is probably a lot closer contact, and they are going home again.

Very true.
I think Americans are beyond the physical (and behaviourial) ability to curb Covid. Their only options now are to ride it out until a vaccine comes.
 

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Jarnhamar said:
Very true.
I think Americans are beyond the physical (and behaviourial) ability to curb Covid. Their only options now are to ride it out until a vaccine comes.

Good news is cases are slowly trending downward in the US.

Also good news, they have 2.3 milion active cases atm but just 18,000 that are considered "serious/critical". 

The death rate in the US is going to look remarkably similar to UK, Spain, Italy and Belgium when this is all said and done.
 

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Jarnhamar said:
So kind of like the BLM protests except they're putting money into the community instead of smashing it  :nod:

More than 60 percent of residents favored postponing the event, according to a city-sponsored survey.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/06/us/sturgis-motorcyle-rally-coronavirus.html
 

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No doubt about it, Trump's side wants to force people back to work because they think the threat of the virus isn't significant enough to destroy the economy. But mostly on the part of Trump because of the coming election.

And then on the part of the Dems, they feel that the threat is significant enough to keep up precaustions and even increase them.
But mostly because of the coming election.

Is that about the right way to set the table?

As to which side is right? Currently the US is experiencing about a thousand deaths a day to the Corona virus. Is that a significant number to warrant more precautions or forcing people back to work?

I'm not answering that question, just attempting to frame the whole business factually.
 

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Crazy right?

Probably around a quarter of a million bikers and I bet not a single glass will get smashed.

If 60% of the town didn't want it I guess they will have a lot to say at the next election.
 
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