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Body-Building Supplements (Creatine etcetera)

geo said:
No it is not a school rule....
Troops have been put on C&P for having, using & dealing to others.  I know of one person who was RTUd from KAF for same.

'Dealing' creatine? WTF, over. You can get that stuff at your local supplement store. It's not an illegal substance, and C&P seems like quite the overkill (in fact, there shouldn't be any disciplinary/administrative measures taken period, and it's not an illegal substance like anadrol, synthol etc). Yes, it's banned on BMQ (and I believe when you deploy overseas), but beyond that it's not illegal.

I'm pretty sure you're thinking of someone juicing.
 
I don't know the full details - just know that the fella shipped a large inventory of the stuff over with him - in spite of having been told not to.  Also, the quantities that he brought over were far and beyond the quantities he would need for himself....

And no - it was creatine.
 
geo said:
I don't know the full details - just know that the fella shipped a large inventory of the stuff over with him - in spite of having been told not to.  Also, the quantities that he brought over were far and beyond the quantities he would need for himself....

And no - it was creatine.

Ack, I thought you were referring to someone who was using it in the shacks or something as opposed to a guy shipping it overseas. And why someone would want to take a moisture sucking supplement in an environment like Afghanistan is beyond my comprehension....



Seeing as there are so many topics on supplements, I'm going to launch into a mini rant here, as I've experimented with some supplements (all legal) and know many people who are into bodybuilding etc and who juice. I find that its the young folk like myself who are so obsessed with finding that magic pill or powder that will make them into the next Jay Cutler without any ill effects. The reality is, 99.9% of the stuff on the shelves of your local Garbage N' Crap (GNC) or other 'nutrition' store is JUNK. Absolute JUNK. Beyond your basic protein powders (which are generally good, as anyone who is trying to get big knows, it's near impossible to get enough protein each day unless you want to eat7-8 chicken breasts a day and mounds of dry, disgusting cottage cheese. Good quality protein shakes are a low carb and easy way to get the needed protein AND cut back on how much you eat....have a shake instead of a snack/meal), anything else is a waste of money and has more of a placebo effect then anything else.

This goes for creatine, fat burners, 'synthetic testosterone' (the real stuff is illegal), NOXplode etc etc etc. It's all JUNK. The only supplements that you can take that will actually have an effect that was worth the money are anadrol, synthol, HGH, clen, etc....all of which are illegal and will eventually cause vital organs (liver and the family jewels) to shut down for good.

In other words...STAY AWAY FROM SUPPLEMENTS. Just stay away. I know you think you look cool in the gym with a blender bottle beside you...but you're just wasting money. Want to take some extra protein? Go for it, can't hurt. Want to take the next step up into creatine etc or even juice? Don't bother. The only people who should be taking anything else are pro body builders who have professional trainers getting them what they need. Same goes for steroids, Jay Cutler and other massive monsters can juice all they want. But I guarentee that you don't have the knowledge and skill to juice without killing yourself or making your testicles disappear. My friend has a shirt that says 'Ask me about Chemistry', and for good reason. But he'll be Mr. Olympia 2015....not you. So, DON'T JUICE. I know it's tempting and it looks easy, but unless you maintain a diet so strict it'll make you want to die and workout so hard you fall over...you'll do nothing but destroy your body. Despite what you think, juice is not magic and requires MORE dedication and effort to get results then if you just worked out normally.

I'm no poster boy for fitness, far from it, but I know a thing or two about the supplement world (I used to work with alot of meat-heads and juicers) and what it can do, and what it can't. And most of it is can't, unless you know exactly what you're doing. Me, I take protein. I'll be starting a new diet soon (no bread, no pasta, no cheese, no processed food, no soda....essentially only chicken, rice, cottage cheese, veggies, fruit and shakes) and I work out with a trainer. Does it work? Yup (well, eventually it will, last semesters dieting wasn't so good). Did I need a laundry list of chemicals? No.

Seriously, just say no. Stay away from the GNC and other such stores. If you have a trainer, ask him/her for advice if you really are interested. Or consult a diet specialist. They may recommend protein, but not much else. Save you're money and use it to buy quality groceries and to pay a personal trainer. Those two things will do more for you then any of the junk the so-called 'nutrition specialists' at the Garbage N' Crap will push on you.

Unless you know what you're doing, don't take it.
 
I took protein (Maxi mass) , creatine (NOXplode, Cell Mass, Decastack), Pro hormones (Superdrol, M1T like...), Testosterone (Tribulus) when I was training in secondary 5, I was 16 years old. I get from 100 lbs to 150 lbs in about 3 months. That was awesome. But I stopped. And dropped to 130 lbs. So I lost 20 lbs really really really fast and it's surely because of the creatine that was in my preworkout stock. Anyway, I would say that the 600$ that I put in all those products was REALLY a LOST OF MONEY. If I had been patient and train hard and regularly, I would had get where I am now, but clean.

Don't take the easy way, work hard to achieve your goal, all these stuff are not necessary. I would say It's okay for bodybuilder but we're not. And creatine surely affect cardio. Never negligee cardio. It's the key for being in shape !
 
Piper....
Even easier than what you so eloquently proposed, people should pay more attention to what they eat AND how much they eat.  Look at the packaging and see what ONE portion really is.  ONE portion of pasta, ONE portion of rice, ONE portion of anything .... cause you,re only eating for one.... not a full section.

- Soda... lotsa & I mean LOTSA sugar & the salt from the carbonation....
- Problem with Bread, potatoes, rice & apsta is that they are all starch & you shouldn't be taking more than one of them at any one sitting.

instead of talking to a DIETician... you should be talking to a NUTRITIONist..... someone who looks & listens to what you eat & helps you step around dietary no-nos... not someone who tells you that everything that tastes good is bad for you... cause that's what's going to get you angry and make you fall off the wagon.
 
geo said:
Piper....
Even easier than what you so eloquently proposed, people should pay more attention to what they eat AND how much they eat.  Look at the packaging and see what ONE portion really is.  ONE portion of pasta, ONE portion of rice, ONE portion of anything .... cause you,re only eating for one.... not a full section.

- Soda... lotsa & I mean LOTSA sugar & the salt from the carbonation....
- Problem with Bread, potatoes, rice & apsta is that they are all starch & you shouldn't be taking more than one of them at any one sitting.

instead of talking to a DIETician... you should be talking to a NUTRITIONist..... someone who looks & listens to what you eat & helps you step around dietary no-nos... not someone who tells you that everything that tastes good is bad for you... cause that's what's going to get you angry and make you fall off the wagon.

Nutritionist is the word I was looking for, not sure why I said dietician. You're exactly right of course, dieting can work BUT you need to ensure that what you're eating will provide you with enough nutrients and energy to get you through your day. Nothing is worse then seeing someone on some stupid 'grapefruit diet' who looses 30 pounds, but then gains it right back when they go on an eating spree because all they've eaten for 2 months was gapefruit. Me personally, I'm going on a pretty restrictive diet for a couple of reasons. But generally, you can still eat great tasting food while maintaining a healthy weight.

It's even as simple as when you go out for dinner, skip an appetiser and the pre-dinner bread they usually bring. Or when you're making a pasta dinner, skip making the garlic bread. Or when you're eating, wait 10 minutes after your first plate before you get seconds...to ensure that you're actually still hungry (it takes around 10 minutes for the stomache to tell your brain that you're full). I've practiced neither of those things, hence my more painful diet. However, it's just simple things like those described above that can make a huge difference. Instead of an (albeit delicious) sandwich every day for lunch (which has bread, cheese, mayo, butter etc etc) switch it up and only have one every 2-3 days and have rice cakes and tuna, or salad, or cottage cheese on the other days.

Nurition is so simple, I just wish I had known more about it before.
 
Biggest point is to TAKE YOUR TIME while eating.
It takes time for your stomach to let your brain know that it's FULL.

If you scarf down a large plate of food in the time it takes me to blink my eyes, your stomach won't have time to pass the message...... 

So, take the time to come up for a breath of fresh air - drink water (which will also contribute to filling up the stomach)

Also... Piper... Skip the MAYO - tastes great BUT the calories in 1 or 2 large tablespoons of the stuff will kill ya
butter, cheese AND mayo ???  EGGADS !
 
+1 to everything that Piper has said, as it is dead-on - but I won't hesitate to mention that everything he said PLUS a daily multi-vitamin will be all you need.  Other than protein, the only supplement I buy now is Mega-Men dailies from the old GNC.  That isn't a plug for the product or the store, but more the idea.  Ensuring your vitamin levels are topped off will keep you healthy, especially when changing your diet to something more restrictive.

I remember when I started working out when I was around 16 as a twiggy 153 lb, 6'2" giant and I asked the gym owner for advice on how to put on weight and muscle mass.  His advice was "You come here five days a week, and you start eating pizza."  And by God, he was right.  You have to eat big to get big, but to get big in the right places and ways, you need to be almost religiously active.
 
geo said:
Biggest point is to TAKE YOUR TIME while eating.
It takes time for your stomach to let your brain know that it's FULL.

If you scarf down a large plate of food in the time it takes me to blink my eyes, your stomach won't have time to pass the message...... 

So, take the time to come up for a breath of fresh air - drink water (which will also contribute to filling up the stomach)

Also... Piper... Skip the MAYO - tastes great BUT the calories in 1 or 2 large tablespoons of the stuff will kill ya
butter, cheese AND mayo ???  EGGADS !

Haha, I don't use mayo. Just going by what I see other people doing. But I does love my butter.

My achilles heel is eating fast, I can't seem to break the habit (summer trg with 2 min to eat ruined me).

Your diet all depends on what you want. If you want to get big, it's one style of diet and if you want to cut, it's another style. And if you want to just maintain your weight, again, it's another style. I'm no expert and it's best to use common sense, consult a nutritionist or personal trainer and just step back and look at what you're eating.
 
Healthy eating isn't all that hard..... you can even splurge on some ''junk food'' once and a while BUT, if you make the junk part of your day to day lifestyle..... you'll be going to ''pot'' soon enough.
 
geo said:
Healthy eating isn't all that hard..... you can even splurge on some ''junk food'' once and a while BUT, if you make the junk part of your day to day lifestyle..... you'll be going to ''pot'' soon enough.

And thats why we have cheat days.... ;D (however, one must remember that a cheat day is not a day to gorge, which often happens). 
 
Yeah... when you follow a really restrictive "diet", you end up getting really MAD at the situation & when you cheat, you go waaaaay overboard..... and that's not a good thing cause you can wipe out all the good you've been doing over the last xx days/weeks/months
 
geo said:
Yeah... when you follow a really restrictive "diet", you end up getting really MAD at the situation & when you cheat, you go waaaaay overboard..... and that's not a good thing cause you can wipe out all the good you've been doing over the last xx days/weeks/months

Seen it happen (and done it myself). The key really is self control.

My ideal cheat day would be to follow your normal daily diet with slightly reduced portions or different, lighter foods (to make up for the 'bad' food you'll eat) and replace a meal by;

- going out for brunch (have some eggs, french toast etc but go easy on the syrup, skip the butter, have peanut butter instead of jam, water instead of juice); or
- going out for lunch (have a small sandwich and some soup, or a grilled snadwich, skip the appetiser, drink water or milk instead of pop); or
- going out for dinner (skip the appetiser or share one between a group of people, skip meals with heavy cream-based sauces, have asian-type foods or foods with hot spices (can help raise your metabolism), have a steak or ribs instead of a burger, have unbreaded wings instead of breaded wings, have water instead of pop or beer, skip dessert or share it among a group).

Now this is my ideal, I love going out for dinner etc (I should buy shares in Moxies). The key is to a) go with someone who will keep you honest and b) remember that one meal of gorging will negate WEEKS of good eating. Weeks, not days..weeks. A cheat day is not a day to at a whole large pizza hut stuffed crust meat lovers (mmmm yummy) pizza to yourself (although by all means share with a group, and skip the stuffed crust part as painful as that may be) or to go out to an all you can eat buffet and eat more then you can eat (although again, by all means go to a buffet but eat small portions and keep youself in check). A cheat day is a day to reward yourself for the good dieting you've done without ruining all your good work.
 
Ayup...
lots of little things......
Breakfast - take a small glass of juice - not a giant sized glass.  Figure how much juice comes out of ONE orange.
Measure the recommended portion - probably 1 cup.
Skip the sugar in your coffee - if necessary, use one of those other sweeteners BUT, if you are having good coffee, it doesn't need anything more.

Instead of those regular pops, have Coke ZERO - has the same taste as the regular stuff.... without the sugar.

Most of the suggestions you have made are very valid... I approve ;D

All in all, I do not think that you will have a cheat DAY.
Cheat on ONE meal.... NEVER three in a row.
 
geo said:
Ayup...
lots of little things......
Breakfast - take a small glass of juice - not a giant sized glass.  Figure how much juice comes out of ONE orange.
Measure the recommended portion - probably 1 cup.
Skip the sugar in your coffee - if necessary, use one of those other sweeteners BUT, if you are having good coffee, it doesn't need anything more.

Instead of those regular pops, have Coke ZERO - has the same taste as the regular stuff.... without the sugar.

Most of the suggestions you have made are very valid... I approve ;D

All in all, I do not think that you will have a cheat DAY.
Cheat on ONE meal.... NEVER three in a row.

Coke zero tastes like chalk, and I'm a Pepsi man myself.  ;)
 
well... read the labels... see how much sugar you're dealing with & deal with it - I guess.
 
geo said:
well... read the labels... see how much sugar you're dealing with & deal with it - I guess.

I just stay away from pop, period. Water and milk, occasionally some grapefruit or peace juice (with the lowest sugar content I can find) as a treat. Thats about it. I find it's just best to stay away from pop, there's nothing good about it (and it makes you more thirsty).
 
I've been taking creatine for just about a week but now I found that no supplements are allowed on basic training and I should have my basic training pretty soon now, after the background check and interview. Will I be ok for basic training now that I stopped taking it? Do they actually do a blood test on you there? Also I was surprised they didn't take a blood test on my medical.
 
No they wont test you.However they may take away your supplements.Thats what they use to do when I went through there....however many things have changed.
 
Call the Recruiting Centre and ask to speak to the Med Staff... talk to them.

1-800-856-8488
 
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