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WAR OF 1812: UNIT RECOGNITION

quadrapiper said:
On a tangent, in this age of no defined front line, might it be time to revise just who gets battle honours? It would appear that all of HMC Ships are eligible - why not some similar allowance for traditionally noncombatant Army units that find themselves in a situation where a combatant unit would receive an honour?

That suggestion is better as the start of a separate thread. It could be a worthy examination of many factors, such as the modern battlefield, the way we generate and deploy forces in the modern world and the nature of combat today.
 
Michael O'Leary said:
That suggestion is better as the start of a separate thread. It could be a worthy examination of many factors, such as the modern battlefield, the way we generate and deploy forces in the modern world and the nature of combat today.

or a continuation

http://forums.army.ca/forums/threads/27435.50.html
 
Why should the Army wholeheartedly embrace the Battle Honours, the War of 1812,  awarded to present-day Regiments by political mandate ? How are these Battle Honours going to be explained to present-day soldiers ?
These are good and valid questions. I do not have any answers that will satisfy all soldiers of their merits, but I will try and give an explanation.

Since all of our original traditions have come down to us from the British Army, that has to be our start point.
In 1881 a Committee under the Presidency of Gen Sir Archibald Alison, 2nd Bt, was appointed to look into the matter of granting Battle Honours, belatedly. Up to this time, Battle Honours had only been awarded for battles during the turbulent years between 1793 and 1815. Some Regiments, with over some 100 years of good and loyal service, still  had no Battle Honours on their Colours, even after the massive amalgamations of 1881. Alison’s committee came to the conclusion that, “the names of such victories only should be retained as either, by themselves or by their results have left a mark in history which render their names familiar, not only to the British Army, but also to every educated gentleman”.
Again, in 1910, another committee, under the able Presidency of the Adjutant-General, had adjudicated what Alison’s Committee had decided on. The Regiments of the Army owe a deep debt of gratitude to the labour exerted by this Committee, although it was an incomplete job. Their task was by no means a light one. This committee was guided by two main principles in their selection of Battle Honours. One, “that no distinction should be granted unless the Regimental Headquarters was present in the engagement”. Two, that Honours should only be conferred on Regiments with “a continuous history from the date of the action. A break in the direct genealogical succession would invalidate the claim”.
Despite these two qualifiers, Battle Honours Committees, have continued to give ‘lip service’ to the award of Battle Honours. They seemed to want to grant Honours … not in a greedy grab for Honours … but according to the circumstances prevailing at the time and place. Many Battle Honours awarded subsequently by these two Committees, when studied, do not meet the criteria as set down, but instead were awarded mostly according to results gained by what was achieved.
reference : Norman, CB, ‘Battle Honours of the British Army’, Chap XXVII, pgs 433-436; John Murray,
                  Albemarle Street, W, London, 1911.

Now what do we as Canadians say ? This may (or may not) clear the ‘mud away’, so to speak. The Politicians have decreed and now the Army has to find a way to justify the award of 200 year old Battle Honours to our Regimental Soldiers, that have no direct lineal connection to them, only through ‘perpetuation’, as in the World War I Battle Honours. A lot of Militia Regiments are affected by these Battle Honours, as well as one regular Regiment … The Royal Canadian Regiment, which in 1958 gained a Reserve Battalion (the present 4th) (this time through amalgamation, 1954 was just an affiliation),which had been awarded ‘perpetuated’ Battle Honours for the First World War.
We explain these Battle Honours the same way as we did the Reserve Battalion’s Battle Honours (YPRES 1915, ’17; GRAVENSTAFEL; ST JULIEN; FESTUBERT 1915; etc) when they were added to the Regiment’s list of Battle Honours. Only members, who are serving or have served, in the Regular 1st; 2nd and 3rd Battalions can tell how successful we were.
My educated guess (for what it is worth) is that the battle honours during the WAR of 1812, will be awarded under the same terms as NORTH-WEST CANADA 1885, SOUTH AFRICA 1899-1900, WORLD WAR I; WORLD WAR II and KOREA 1951-1953 … this is all in accordance with the above 1881; 1910 British Committees (and all intervening Committees since) for the award of Battle Honours.
During the War of 1812, the British Army in Upper Canada (no more than 1,200 men, mostly in HM 1st Bn, 41st Foot9) and the British Administration of the British North American Colonies, were willing to ‘right off’ the western part of Upper Canada, west of Burlington, in order to save the rest of Canada. There were few British troops there, mostly in scattered garrisons. He most westerly were at Fort Malden (Amherstburg), on the Detroit River and Fort St Joseph, (69 km north-east of Michilimackinac), at the confluence of Lakes Superior, Michigan and Huron, and maybe the odd roving patrol to see to the training of the Militia, as well as to show the flag.
Unlike Lower Canada, which been settled by the French and saw additional settlers arrive as United Empire Loyalists, after the American Revolutionary War, Upper Canada was a split Colony. The Niagara Peninsula and all of Upper Canada east of Burlington was heavily settled by United Empire Loyalists. West of Burlington, some 4/5th of the population were immigrants from the United States, whose motivation was ‘free land’ in exchange for swearing the Royal Oath to the King. They understood what the Militia was organized for and grudgingly accepted it. Mainly because the land was rich and plentiful.
Upon the declaration of war these ex-American settlers were thrown into a quandary. Stay with the King, accommodate the invading US Army, stay neutral as long as far as possible or wholeheartedly join in on the American conquest.  Each person made their own decision. Some of these same people now were sworn, as members of the Militia, to defend this land. Some did, some did not. This made recruiting by the British Army very tricky and dangerous. It is a wonder that so many militiamen answered their duty according to their Royal Oath of Allegiance.
It is with this background, the present day Army, will make the proper connections for perpetuation and award of battle honours.
When Gen Hull invaded and captured Sandwich (really all he did was occupy it), he was stopped by the few soldiers of the 1st Bn, 41st Foot (garrisoned at Fort Malden) at the River Canard. Maj Gen Brock gathered up some 260 York Militiamen, and set sail for Fort Malden. He stopped at Fort George and collected some members of the Lincoln Militia, stopped at Long Point and picked up 40 soldiers of the 1/41st Foot and members of the Norfolk and Oxford Militias and stopped at Port Talbot and collected members of the Middlesex Militia. Arriving at Fort Malden, he was joined by the Essex and Kent Militias. When operations began in earnest to capture Detroit, Brock had a small force consisting of the following :
          30 gunners, Royal Artillery
          250 men, 1st Bn, 41st Foot (the bulk were at Fort George (HQs), York, Queenstown, Chippewa and Fort Erie)
          50 men Royal Newfoundland Fencibles Regiment
          400 Militiamen of York, Lincoln, Norfolk, Oxford, Middlesex, Essex and Kent
          600 Indians
        For a total of 1,330 all ranks.
Maj Gen Brock dressed his Militiamen in British Regular Army Red Coats to visibly boost his numbers of Regukars to the Americans, as well as explaining that he can not control Tecumseh’s Indians once the walls of Fort Detroit are breached. Brig Gen Hull, fearing the result of an Indian incursion, surrendered to Maj Gen Brock some 2,500 soldiers.
This result was huge. All of the Michigan Territory was surrendered to the Crown, and at the cost of only a few casualties. So yes, you would be correct in thinking this was a minor skirmish.
However, the awarding of battle honours must be weighed in comparison to what was attained, with what one has. The Regiment of Oxford’s part (and in fact all units that took part, including 1st/41st Foot) was very small, when compared to the gigantic battles raging in Spain and Russia at the same time. But you must consider what was wagered and what could have been lost, but was won, when awarding battle honours. The 41s Foot was awarded the battle honour ‘DETROIT’ in 1847. They did nothing different than the Militia did. The only difference was that as many Militiamen as possible were dressed in Red Coats, to imitate Regular troops.
In essence Maj Gen Brock wagered all of western Upper Canada, and won all of the Michigan Territory.

For a comparison as to what gets a Battle Honour and what does not, I would suggest, the Action of Givenchy on 15 Jun 1915 (in which Capt Frederick William Campbell earned his Victoria Cross). By World War I standards this was a minor trench raid in support of a British assault on their left, but the casualties suffered were in the hundreds of killed and wounded. Only the 1st Battalion, CEF attacked into the German front lines, supported by the rest of the 1st Canadian Infantry Brigade.
Casualties 1st Bn, CEF, 15 Jun 1915 : 20 (12 killed and 8 wounded) out of 23 Officers (27 Officers on 30 May 19150 and 346 (68 killed and 278 wounded) out of ??? Other Ranks (808 Other Ranks on 30 May 1915) killed, wounded and missing11.

When weighed in the balance against the capture of Detroit, HM 41st Foot was awarded the Battle Honour ‘DETROIT’ (which was emblazoned on the Regimental Colour) but GIVENCHY was not even considered for a Battle Honour.

To my way of thinking, the Army only has to look at what has happened in the past, and move forward and embrace these Battle Honours. The Royal Canadian Regiment has already accepted ‘perpetuated’ Battle Honours and has experience with this. After all, when ‘perpetuation’ is designated and the affected Regiments accept these ‘perpetuations’, any Battle Honours, belatedly awarded to a ‘perpetuated’ Regiment, belong to the entire Regiment. .

References
      1 - Stanley, George FG, ‘The War of 1812 : Land Operations’, Chap 4, pg 105.
      2 - Richard, John, ‘Richard’s War of 1812’. Notes and Life are edited by Alexander Clark Casselman, Coles
            Pub Co Ltd, Toronto, Ont, 1974 (originally in 1902 by Historical Pub Co, Toronto, Ont)
      3 - Stanley, George FG; The War of 1812, Land Operations. Canadian War Museum Historical Publication N0
            18, 1983, MacMillan of Canada in co-operation with National Museum of Man, National Museums of
            Canada, Chap  pg 4 106.
      4 - Canada in the Great War, Vol 1, Military History of Canada; various authors; 1917. [ this reflects data up to
            page 145, only ]
      5 - Auchinleck, Gilbert; A History of the War (1812-13-14); Arms & Armour Press in Assoc with Pendragon
            Press; 1972; 85368-088-4.
      6 - The Annals of the War; JM Harper;
      7 - Cruikshank, EA; ‘Record of the Services of Canadian Regiments in the War of 1812, Part XI, The Militia of
            Norfolk, Oxford and Middlesex”; Transactions of the Canadian Military Institute, 1907, Selected Papers, No
          15 (Toronto, 1908), 47.
      8 - Ermatinger, CO; ‘The Talbot Regime, or, The First Half Century of the Talbot Settlement’ (St Thomas, Ont, 
            1904), 50
      9 - Yaworsky, Jim. The Invalids in Action: The Battle of Portsmouth, 1783. October 28, 2003, Website of 
            Forty-First Regiment of Foot Military Living History Group, www.fortyfirst.org.
    10 - Hitsman, J. MacKay. The Incredible War of 1812. Toronto, Robin Bass Studio. Updated by Donald E.
            Graves, 1999, p.32.
    11 - The breakdown of Officer casualties of 12 killed out of 23 engaged and the total of Other Ranks casualties of
            346, are according to Sir Max Aitken’s, “Canada in Flanders”, (1916), Chap VII, page 140. Also cited in a
            “Toronto Star” newspaper article, dated 25 Jun 1915 from a Canadian Associated Press cable. 
            The “Official History of the Canadian Army in the First World War, Canadian Expeditionary Force 1914-
            1919”, by  Col GWL Nicholson, CD, Chap IV, page 107, cites the losses of the 1st Canadian Infantry
            Battalion, CEF as, 20 Officers and 366 Other Ranks .
            The breakdown of the Other Ranks, killed, wounded and total engaged are my own, based on percentage of
            figures given in Appendix 851 and Chap XIX, page 492 and 496 of Col A. F. Duguid’s, (1938), “Canadian
            Forces in the Great War”, Vol 1, Part 1, as well as in.
            Wounded, includes those who were admitted to hospital, as well as those who later died of their wounds.
            Those soldiers who were treated for wounds and returned to duty are not included in these totals.

vaya con Dios
 
HRH The Countess of Wessex, Colonel-in-Chief of The Lincoln and Welland Regiment, will present new colours to her Regiment during the morning of Saturday, 18 September, at Queenston Heights.

The War of 1812 Battle Honour "Niagara" is emblazoned on the new Regimental Colour, and the Regiment is proud to be the first to carry a War of 1812 Battle Honour. Unfortunately, the Colour was manufacured and the plans for its presentation were made before the announcement of the grant of the BH "Detroit".

The Regimental will also carry First World War Battle Honours previously granted but just recently authourized for emblazonment.
 
The Governor General has approved Battle Honours which may be emblazoned on Regimental Colours. The Honours and the Regiments to which they have been granted are:

a) “ DETROIT ” (already announced August 15, 2012; Battle fought, August 15-16, 1812)

Royal Newfoundland Regiment
56th Field Artillery Regiment
Essex and Kent Scottish
Lincoln and Welland Regiment
Queen’s York Rangers
Royal Canadian Regiment
Royal Hamilton Light Infantry

b) “ NIAGARA ” (already announced May 22, 2012 to regiments perpetuating the Incorporated Militia Battalion of Upper Canada)

Lincoln and Welland Regiment
Queen’s York Rangers
Brockville Rifles – Brockville , Ontario
Princess of Wales Own Regiment – Kingston , Ontario

and for the campaign on the Niagara peninsula that included the Battle of Lundy’s Lane; December 1813 – September 1814

Royal New Brunswick Regiment - Fredericton , New Brunswick
Stormont, Dundas and Glengarry Highlanders
56th Field Artillery Regiment
Essex and Kent Scottish
Royal Canadian Regiment – Petawawa , Ontario
Royal Hamilton Light Infantry
c) “QUEENSTON” (Battle fought, October 13, 1812)

56th Field Artillery Regiment – Brantford , Ontario
Lincoln and Welland Regiment – St. Catharines , Ontario
Queen’s York Rangers – Toronto , Ontario
Royal Hamilton Light Infantry – Hamilton , Ontario

d) “ MAUMEE ” (Battle fought May 5, 1813 in northwest Ohio)
Royal Newfoundland Regiment – St. John’s , NL
Essex Kent Scottish – Windsor , Ontario

e) CHATEAUGUAY (Battle fought October 26, 1813)
Royal 22e Regiment – Quebec City
The Black Watch – Montreal , Quebec
Canadian Grenadier Guards – Montreal , Quebec
Les Fusiliers du St. Laurent – Rimouski, Quebec
Le Regiment de la Chaudiere – Levis, Quebec
Les Voltigeurs de Quebec – Quebec City

f) CRYSLER’S FARM (Battle fought November 11, 1813)
Royal 22e Regiment
Les Voltigeurs de Quebec
Stormont, Dundas and Glengarry Highlanders – Cornwall , Ontario

g) “DEFENCE OF CANADA/DEFENSE DU CANADA, 1812- 15” (emblazoned “Theatre honour”, awarded for regiments perpetuating 1812 units that participated in any successful engagement in the defence of Canada; this theatre honour can be placed on the regimental colours)

Goes to all Units mentioned above, plus:
Les Fusiliers Mont-Royal – Montreal, Quebec
The Sherbrooke Hussars – Sherbrooke , Quebec (unit affiliated directly with Battle of Lacolle Mills)
Brockville Rifles – Brockville , Ontario
Princess of Wales Own Regiment – Kingston , Ontario

h) Unemblazoned Distinction “DEFENCE OF CANADA/DEFENSE DU CANADA, 1812- 15” (already announced, May 22, 2012; unemblazoned distinction, awarded to regiments perpetuating any 1812 unit; this distinction cannot be placed on regimental colours but can be placed on other regimental instruments, such as drums, colour sergeant sash, etc.)

Goes to all units mentioned above, plus:

84th Independent Field Battery – Yarmouth , Nova Scotia
1st Battalion, Nova Scotia Highlanders – Truro , Nova Scotia
West Nova Scotia Regiment – Aldershot , Nova Scotia
3rd Field Artillery Regiment – St. John , New Brunswick
8th Canadian Hussars – Moncton , New Brunswick
2nd Field Artillery Regiment – Montreal , Quebec
12 Regiment blinde de Canada – Trois Rivieres, Quebec
Royal Canadian Hussars – Montreal Quebec
7th Toronto Regiment – Toronto , Ontario
The Hastings and Prince Edward Regiment – Cobourg, Ontario
31 Combat Engineer Regiment – St. Thomas , Ontario

 
Bill Smy said:
The Governor General has approved Battle Honours which may be emblazoned on Regimental Colours ....
And here's the official news releases, from the PM's office during a visit to Quebec ....
Prime Minister Stephen Harper today paid tribute to military regiments who successfully defended Canada during the War of 1812 by announcing that battle honours will be awarded to select regiments with ties to units who won decisive battles in the war.

“Canada’s victory in the War of 1812 was a pivotal point in the development of our great country,” said Prime Minister Harper. “During that war, the French, English and Aboriginal peoples took up arms together to achieve a common objective, to resist the American invasion. The ties our ancestors forged laid the foundations of a truly pan-Canadian identity and made our Confederation possible, a country of great diversity with two national languages.”

In commemoration of the War of 1812, the Prime Minister announced the awarding of  Battle Honours that will commemorate the contribution of regiments who participated in successful engagements in the defence of Canada during the War of 1812.

While in Saint-Paul-de-l'Île-aux-Noix, The Prime Minister announced that first, the Theatre Honour  “DEFENCE OF CANADA – 1812-1815 – DÉFENSE DU CANADA”, will be awarded to current regiments of the Canadian Army in Ontario, Quebec, and Atlantic Canada that perpetuate or commemorate 1812 units that participated in a successful engagement against an armed enemy during the war.

In keeping with Canada’s policy of military perpetuation adopted after the First World War, this honour will be able to be placed on the Colours of the regiment to honour the soldiers who are  key part of Canadian history. This honour, which recognizes the deeds and sacrifices made by these soldiers, will allow the current unit to act as the safe-keeper of their heritage.

To further recognize the participation of units in battles that were particularly pivotal for the defence of Canada, those regiments linked to six decisive engagements of the War of 1812 will also be able to place these very specific, new Canadianbattle honours on their regimental colours. These battles are:  Niagara, Queenston, Maumee, Châteauguay and Crysler’s Farm and, as previously announced, Detroit.

The regiments of the Canadian Army that are being recognized through these honours are:

•The Queen's York Rangers (1st American Regiment) (RCAC);
•The Sherbrooke Hussars;
•The Royal Canadian Hussars (Montreal);
•56th Field Artillery Regiment, RCA;
•The Royal Canadian Regiment;
•Royal 22e Régiment;
•The Canadian Grenadier Guards;
•The Black Watch (Royal Highland Regiment) of Canada;
•Les Voltigeurs de Québec;
•The Royal Hamilton Light Infantry (Wentworth Regiment);
•The Princess of Wales Own Regiment;
•The Lincoln and Welland Regiment;
•The Brockville Rifles;
•The Stormont, Dundas and Glengarry Highlanders;
•Les Fusiliers du St-Laurent;
•Le Régiment de la Chaudière;
•Les Fusiliers Mont-Royal;
•1st Battalion, The Royal New Brunswick Regiment;
•The North Shore (New Brunswick) Regiment;
•The Essex and Kent Scottish;
•The Royal Newfoundland Regiment.
On the occasion of the dedication of the monument to Major General Sir Isaac Brock at Queenston Heights in 1853, William Hamilton Merritt, who had served as a young militia Lieutenant at that battle, requested of his audience that the importance of that sacrifice not be lost on the rising generation.

It is in that same spirit that the Government of Canada has honoured regiments of the Canadian Army that are linked to the War of 1812. These proud regiments will now carry on this illustrious history with pride and dedication for the generations to come.

.... and from the Minister of National Defence during a visit to Toronto:
The Honourable Peter MacKay, Minister of National Defence, today highlighted that numerous Canadian Forces units will be awarded perpetuation of historical units that fought in the War of 1812 and, therefore, inherit  Battle Honours for  engagements that were of critical importance for the defence of Canada during the War. The announcement was made by Prime Minister Stephen Harper on September 14, 2012.

“Our Government is committed to support our men and women in uniform and to commemorate Canada’s military heritage,” said Minister MacKay. “I am pleased to be here to honour those regiments and soldiers whose decisive actions throughout the War of 1812 protected Canada and allowed our country to emerge as a free and independent nation within North America.” 

As part of the commemorations of the 200th anniversary of the War of 1812, the federal Government committed to honouring the memory of all who served during the war. To recognize the gallantry of thousands of early Canadians who fought to defend their homeland during the war,  current Canadian Army regiments that perpetuate War of 1812 units that fought in six key engagements and campaigns that were pivotal to the defence of Canada will be awarded the following Battle Honours: ‘DETROIT’, ‘QUEENSTON’, ‘MAUMEE,’ ‘NIAGARA,’ ‘CHÂTEAUGUAY,’ and ‘CRYSLER’S FARM.’

Furthermore, His Excellency The Right Honourable David Johnston, Governor General of Canada and Commander-in-Chief of Canada, has recently authorized the creation of an emblazonable Theatre Honour and a non-emlazonable Honorary Distinction, both entitled “DEFENCE OF CANADA – 1812-1815 – DÉFENSE DU CANADA”. These new unit honours will also be awarded to historical Canadian  units that participated in a successful engagement in the defence of Canada.  These units will, in turn, be perpetuated by current serving Canadian Army units and will therefore be able to place this Theatre Honour on their regimental colours.

Personnel from the Queen’s York Rangers (1st American Regiment), and 7 Toronto Regiment (Royal Canadian Artillery) were present today to accept these honours, representing Ontario units that perpetuate the historical units that fought in the War of 1812.  The historic ties these units share with their communities are only strengthened by this recognition.

“The War of 1812 helped to develop Canada’s military forces, and the same spirit of sacrifice and sense of duty of our military forebearers are valued in today's soldiers,” said Brigadier-General Julian Chapman, Deputy Commander of Land Force Central Area. “As we move forward, and continue to fulfill our mission to defend Canada, and North America, and to contribute to international peace and security, we carry those lessons and traditions with us.”

The War of 1812 was instrumental in the development of Canada’s military history and established the basis of the Canada we know today – an independent and free country with  a constitutional monarchy and  its own parliamentary system. The Government of Canada and the Canadian Forces are proud to commemorate the achievements of those early Canadian soldiers and sailors who fought in the War of 1812.

The 200th Anniversary of the War of 1812 is an opportunity for all Canadians to take pride in our history and to pay tribute to our founders, defining historical moments, and the heroes who fought for Canada.

More on exactly who gets what on the colours here in the CF's Backgrounder.
 
I decided to add this link since it looks at the actual participation of named units of militia at the battle of Detroit, based on the Prize Money List for the action.

Battle Honours; DETROIT (16 August 1812)

The 302 men of the British 41st Regiment won a single battle honour, the 774 men of the Canadian Militia have been awarded eleven (now perpetuated by six regiments (five infantry and one artillery).


Edit: corrected eight to eleven separate awards (three of which were combined with other in the field)
 
and the 8 honours awarded  to regiments in this list doesn't even include the Newfoundlanders  (who I see did get the honour according to the announcement of honours  list, was about to get all annoyed) or the Provincial Marine Department get nothing at all (apparently) despite contributing ~10% of the total force of "men".
 
Michael O'Leary said:
I decided to add this link since it looks at the actual participation of named units of militia at the battle of Detroit, based on the Prize Money List for the action.

Battle Honours; DETROIT (16 August 1812)

The 302 men of the British 41st Regiment won a single battle honour, the 774 men of the Canadian Militia have been awarded eight (now perpetuated by six regiments (five infantry and one artillery).

Not sure I follow your logic here. The Canadian Militia units were also awarded a single battle honour for this action DETROIT. Yes more than one unit was awarded it, eight, now six units were awarded it which makes sense as more than one unit was present and took part in the battle. The wording in your post makes it sound like eight separate battle honours were created for this one action. Incidentally the 41st Regiment were awarded a total of four Battles Honours for their service in North America from 1812-14, Detroit, Queenstown, Miami, and Niagara
 
Danjanou said:
Not sure I follow your logic here. The Canadian Militia units were also awarded a single battle honour for this action DETROIT. Yes more than one unit was awarded it, eight, now six units were awarded it which makes sense as more than one unit was present and took part in the battle. The wording in your post makes it sound like eight separate battle honours were created for this one action. Incidentally the 41st Regiment were awarded a total of four Battles Honours for their service in North America from 1812-14, Detroit, Queenstown, Miami, and Niagara

Eleven units of the Canadian Militia of the War of 1812 were selected to be awarded the battle honour DETROIT. This unfortunately was done without the consideration for actual unit actions and levels of participation that we see in use for all previously existing battle honour awards. The published "Prize Money List" shows the number of personnel from each identified unit that were actually considered to be involved in the actions that led to the surrender of Detroit. As a result of these awards being driven by lists of units present rather than any more detailed examination, the result is a wide variance in the levels of participation, from the 540 soldiers of the three Regiments of Militia that are now perpetuated by the Essex and Kent Scottish, down to the 14 men from the two Regiments now perpetuated by The Royal Canadian Regiment. One of the two Regiments of Militia leading to the latter perpetuation was represented by a single officer listed on the Prize Money List, but by the way in which these awards were developed, he alone was enough for the award of a battle honour to a Regiment of Militia.
 
To give some sort of substance as to what happened to the actual Militia Units that participated in the War of 1812, the following is what I have found out about the evolution of the Canadian Reserve Force (ex-Militia), since its formation in 1669 :

First Canadian Militia Order, 03 Apr 1669 : King Louis XVI of France ordered Governor Courcelles of New France, to divided his Canadian subjects into Companies, select Captains, Lieutenants and Ensigns to command, and ordered that they assemble once per month to practice the handling of Arms. He also ordered that these same men be always armed and provided with powder, lead and fuses as needed for their arms. This was the official birth of the Canadian Militia1 & 2.

1763 : Upon the ceding of Canada by France to Britain, the British kept, intact,  the French obligation to serve in the Militia.

Militia Ordinance of Canada, 1777 : re-instituted the French Act of 1669 and formalized it into law. In 1791 it was extended to Upper Canada when it was severed from Lower Canada. This Ordnance required the Militia to meet on four Sundays (June & July) per year. It was these Units that were called out for  the War of 18123.

Militia General Order No. 1 of 05 Nov 1846 (for the United Provinces of Lower & Upper Canada)
Issued by Colonel Plomer Young, Adjutant General, provided for an "active" quota up to 30,000 to be selected by voluntary enlistment from the Sedentary Militia, or by ballot if this quota was unfulfilled In summary, I believe this to mean that from 1846 to 1855 the "active" militia existed alongside the Sedentary Militia but units were only of company size, and it was only after passage of a new Act in 1855 that battalions came into existence.

Militia Act of 19 May 1855 (effective as of 01 Jul 1855): divided the Militia of the Province of Canada into :
    1 - The existing Sedentary Militia (consisting of all males, between 18 and 60 years, to be compulsory organized into Infantry
          Regiments (a total of 57), Battalions (a total of 334) and an unknown number of Companies), and
    2 - A new Active (or Voluntary) Militia (consisting of Cavalry Troops, Field Artillery Batteries, Foot Artillery Companies,
          Infantry/Rifle Companies, Engineer Companies, as well as Volunteer Marine Companies).
Since the new Active (Voluntary) Militia was voluntary was armed, uniform and paid for training, all at Government expense, whereas the Sedentary Militia was compulsory and only received I days pay for the yearly Militia Muster, if they showed up.
This is the time when the Active Militia started to assume a superiority over the Sedentary Militia.

Militia General Order of 16 Aug 1855 : mandated that each Volunteer, for the new Active Militia, had to sign a paper which obligated him to serve for five years, upon joining his chosen Active Militia Unit.

1864 : The Sedentary Militia is designated as the Non-Service Militia.

Militia Act of 1868 : the Non-Service Militia (originally the Sedentary Militia) was still compulsorily enrolled but re-designated as the  Reserve Militia. They numbered some 618,000 militiamen in 1869. The Active Militia had definitely taken a priority over the Sedentary Militia.

Formation of the Regular Force, 20 Oct 1871 : ‘A’ (at Kingston, Ont) and ‘B’ (Quebec City, Quebec) Garrison Artillery Batteries are formed to act as Schools of Gunnery. The Regular Force was later identified as the Permanent Active Militia and the Active Militia was later identified as the Non-Permanent Active Militia.

1873 : The Reserve Militia (originally the Sedentary Militia) is enrolled for the last time.

Militia Act of 1904 : the Reserve Militia was still existent (as a means to call a ‘levee-en-mass’ in case of conflict), but no longer formally organized. 

1906 : upon the withdrawal of the last British Units in garrison in Canada the Department of Militia and Defence is formed to administrate the Permanent Active Militia (PAM) and the Non-Permanent Active Militia (NPAM).
 
04 May 1910 : The Naval Service of Canada is formed.

30 Jan 1911 : The Naval Service of Canada (now designated as the Royal Canadian Navy) is transferred as a component of the Department of Marine and Fisheries which was re-designated as the Department of Marine and Fisheries and the Naval Service.

Act of Parliament of 06 Jun 1919 : The Air Board is created.

1921 : the Royal Canadian Navy is transferred from the Department of Marine Fisheries and the Naval Services, and joined to the Department of Militia and Defence under the title of the Department of Militia and Defence and the Naval Service.

National Defence Act of 01 Jan 1923 : The Department of Militia and the Defence, with the Department of the Naval Services and the Air Board are merged into the Department of National Defence.

King’s Regulations and Orders for 1939 : the Reserve Militia was maintained for ‘levee-en-mass’ purposes, but entirely disappeared during war-time legislation regarding the organization of the Canadian Army.

1950 : The Reserve Militia is officially abolished.

Unification of 01 Feb 1968 : The term "Canadian Forces" only came into formal usage by the Canadian military upon the unification of the Royal Canadian Navy, the Canadian Army and the Royal Canadian Air Force (at first the term was ‘Canadian Armed Forces’, but after the 1980s the term was shortened to ‘Canadian Forces’ for official purposes).

NOTES
    1 - AC (Archives nationales de France, Colonies), CI IA, Vol. 125, f. 32. Paris, April 3, 1669. Louis XIV to Courcelles.
    2 - CANADIAN MILITARY HERITAGE Vol 1 (1000-1754) [ http://www.cmhg.gc.ca/cmh/index-eng.asp ]
    3 - PRO, Colonial Office 42, Vol. 36, John Burgoyne to Lord Germain, Quebec, May 14, 1777

vaya con Dios
John
 
wheels031 said:
King’s Regulations and Orders for 1939 : the Reserve Militia was maintained for ‘levee-en-mass’ purposes, but entirely disappeared during war-time legislation regarding the organization of the Canadian Army.

1950 : The Reserve Militia is officially abolished.



vaya con Dios
John

Understanding that "MILITIA" was a term for both the reserves and the regular army known as the non-permanent militia and permanent militia respectively.  While the terminology changed, nothing else did.
 
Understanding that "MILITIA" was a term for both the reserves and the regular army known as the non-permanent militia and permanent militia respectively.  While the terminology changed, nothing else did.

Rocky Mountains, you are correct in that the Militia was divided between the PAM (Regular) and NPAM (Reserve). However, you had better study the evolution of the 'original' militia, described in my last post. The Reserve Militia (which is the term that was used for the Sedentary Militia), contained all the Militia that fought in the War of 1812. The term PAM and NPAM only came into existence on 20 Oct 1871 and these two terms disappeared during war-time (WW II) legislation regarding the organization of the Canadian Army.

vaya con Dios
John
 
wheels031 said:
To give some sort of substance as to what happened to the actual Militia Units that participated in the War of 1812, the following is what I have found out about the evolution of the Canadian Reserve Force (ex-Militia), since its formation in 1669 :

The "actual Militia Units that participated in the War of 1812" existed between 1812 and 1815, e.g, "1st Regiment of Essex Militia (1812-15)". That point is very clearly identified in perpetuated honours published by the Government. Any attempt to link these to some sort of ongoing lineage is incorrect. You are getting nowhere by trying to bury this discussion in unnecessary and unrelated information.

 
The "actual Militia Units that participated in the War of 1812" existed between 1812 and 1815, e.g, "1st Regiment of Essex Militia (1812-15)". That point is very clearly identified in perpetuated honours published by the Government. Any attempt to link these to some sort of ongoing lineage is incorrect. You are getting nowhere by trying to bury this discussion in unnecessary and unrelated information.

What part of my post (Reply #250), did you not understand ? Maybe you should investigate the source documents and contents, as they are are not of my making.

The Militia of 1812-1815 and the Sedentary Militia (officially abolished in 1950) of the same time period, are one and the same. If you have evidence to the contrary, of Reply #250, would you  please present it, in order that we may all be correctly informed.

The information is relevant to the discussion. If you say it is not, please explain yourself.

vaya con Dios
John
 
wheels031 said:
What part of my post (Reply #250), did you not understand ? Maybe you should investigate the source documents and contents, as they are are not of my making.

The Militia of 1812-1815 and the Sedentary Militia (officially abolished in 1950) of the same time period, are one and the same. If you have evidence to the contrary, of Reply #250, would you  please present it, in order that we may all be correctly informed.

The information is relevant to the discussion. If you say it is not, please explain yourself.

vaya con Dios
John

John, the source documents may not be of your making, but your interpretation of them certainly is.

I believe I was quite clear when I pointed out that the perpetuated units of the War of 1812 were those that existed solely between 1812 and 1815. I even directed you to the online source document for that. Battle Honours for the War of 1812 were created by the Canadian Government in 2012, and the right of perpetuation was granted to modern regiments based on their presence in the same communities from which the War of 1812 units were raised. There is no issue of lineage continuity such as you continue to try to proclaim.

You can beat your drum here, or on The RCR Forum, all you want; having others give up in frustration does not mean you are correct.
 
I suspect most battle honours granted in the Canadian Army ignore Mr. O'Leary's rules.  Many of those granted for 1885 and almost all for South Africa and WWI were not directly earned by the unit claiming them.  Every mobilization in Canadian history is unique and carrying Mr. O'Leary's line of reasoning, only the RCR and PPCLI would have WWI battle honours which I'm sure is okay with him, but hardly practical.
 
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