US Presidential Election 2020
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Reading upthread, perhaps the posters meant to refer to 'immigration issues' rather than 'racism'? Which can easily blend between each other?
Trump didn't campaign on racism. He did campaign on clamping down on immigration, and capitalized on a perceived notion (perceived rightly or wrongly) that mass immigration was ruining the stereotype for classic American life, re: white picket fences, jobs for all, etc etc.
He campaigned on building a wall across the southern border because of the mass amount of illegal immigration, human smuggling, drugs coming from Mexico, etc. During the time of his previous campaign, there were also daily news reports of truly horrific things being done by/between the cartels just across the border.
^^ Again, he didn't campaign on blunt racism. It was the problems of the mass illegal immigration, crime, drugs, etc etc.
I don't know if that is what the original posters upthread meant when they said he campaigned on racism or not? But, since he did campaign on clamping down on immigration & the perceived problems immigration was causing them, I could see how the two could be blended/confused.
Trump didn't campaign on racism. He did campaign on clamping down on immigration, and capitalized on a perceived notion (perceived rightly or wrongly) that mass immigration was ruining the stereotype for classic American life, re: white picket fences, jobs for all, etc etc.
He campaigned on building a wall across the southern border because of the mass amount of illegal immigration, human smuggling, drugs coming from Mexico, etc. During the time of his previous campaign, there were also daily news reports of truly horrific things being done by/between the cartels just across the border.
^^ Again, he didn't campaign on blunt racism. It was the problems of the mass illegal immigration, crime, drugs, etc etc.
I don't know if that is what the original posters upthread meant when they said he campaigned on racism or not? But, since he did campaign on clamping down on immigration & the perceived problems immigration was causing them, I could see how the two could be blended/confused.
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mariomike said::goodpost:
Believe half of what you see and none of what you hear?
Reminds me of the still ongoing controversy over the Zapruder film.
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FJAG said:
FJAG,
You are 100% correct in your assessment of small town papers. They exist only if the local populace sees value in them, and thus ponies up the money to buy both ads and the papers. Assimilation is part of their DNA. And yes, they very often employ cub reporters who are SME's in nothing.
FJAG said:
And owners. Jeff Bezos owns the Washington Post. It is quite likely the most unabashedly anti-Trump media outlet in America, with many critics espousing the view that Bezos uses it as his own personal soapbox, a claim that he denies.
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mariomike said:
I believe the topic had been media bias.
From your own source:
These media sources have a slight to moderate liberal bias. They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes) to favor liberal causes.
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mariomike said:
I actually said likely. There could be worse that I am unaware of.
A quick Google search using only the phrase Washington Post turned up this:
https://www.google.ca/search?ei=FVNMX8jcBK-0ggfqi5mIBA&q=negative+trump+stories+washington+post&oq=negative+trump+stories+washington+post&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzoHCAAQRxCwAzoOCC4QsQMQgwEQkQIQkwI6BQgAEJECOgoILhDHARCjAhBDOg4ILhCxAxCDARDHARCjAjoICAAQsQMQgwE6BQgAELEDOgsILhCxAxDHARCjAjoLCAAQsQMQgwEQkQI6CAguELEDEIMBOgoIABCxAxCDARBDOgQIABBDOgcIABCxAxBDOgcILhCxAxBDOgIIADoECAAQAzoICC4QxwEQrwE6DAgAELEDEEMQRhD5AToCCC46BQguEJMCUIO-CFisuglgjcAJaAJwAHgBgAGXAogBiDSSAQc1Mi4xNi4ymAEAoAEBqgEHZ3dzLXdperABALgBAsABAQ&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwiIu_H1pcTrAhUvmuAKHepFBkEQ4dUDCA0&uact=5
Factual...OK. Inflammatory headlines designed to introduce bias....yuuuuuup.
Been watching this space for a long time. Have no dog in the fight, actually it is kinda comical/scary/frustrating/perplexing/entertaining (pick a day or issue) watching the dogs in the fight, running around, sometimes chasing squirrels, sometimes sniffing each others ass as dogs are wont to do.
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and Trump can make a left or right turn as it suits him, none of the gun rights groups expected him to ban bumpstocks. Trump will never be your loyal ally, it's a case of "It this a good deal for me?"
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Pick a day, pick an issue, find the dog.
Have been dealing with media in this country, and internationally, for a long time. I have watched with consternation how the fourth estate, already amongst the least trusted institutions, have completely misjudged the evolution of information, and its reception, and in the late 90's and early 2 oughts, fiddled while Rome burned. The consequences were layoffs, less comprehensive coverage, less reach, and even less trust amongst the public, and then the resulting panic, which caused re-orgs, buy-outs, and allowed those with deep pockets to consolidate the market, leading to less divergence of opinion, and a stratification of media. Additionally, CAO's and CFO's became the arbiters in the media "Hunger Games." Many added on-line media as an attempt to recapture market share, or even to stay above water economically; but economics have forced a number of them to have become click-bait purveyors, vs their own "self styled" protectors of democracy label. And, they pander to their audience, because they have to in order to survive.
I take no joy in this. A robust, free, inquisitive, and credible media, is, to my mind, the best defence against the current chaos of the information environment, and the rampant mis/disinformation that is occurring. They have been the architects of their own demise, partly through lack of foresight, partly through hubris. I wish them well, but they need to do a serious self reckoning IOT regain credibility and trust. :2c:
Have been dealing with media in this country, and internationally, for a long time. I have watched with consternation how the fourth estate, already amongst the least trusted institutions, have completely misjudged the evolution of information, and its reception, and in the late 90's and early 2 oughts, fiddled while Rome burned. The consequences were layoffs, less comprehensive coverage, less reach, and even less trust amongst the public, and then the resulting panic, which caused re-orgs, buy-outs, and allowed those with deep pockets to consolidate the market, leading to less divergence of opinion, and a stratification of media. Additionally, CAO's and CFO's became the arbiters in the media "Hunger Games." Many added on-line media as an attempt to recapture market share, or even to stay above water economically; but economics have forced a number of them to have become click-bait purveyors, vs their own "self styled" protectors of democracy label. And, they pander to their audience, because they have to in order to survive.
I take no joy in this. A robust, free, inquisitive, and credible media, is, to my mind, the best defence against the current chaos of the information environment, and the rampant mis/disinformation that is occurring. They have been the architects of their own demise, partly through lack of foresight, partly through hubris. I wish them well, but they need to do a serious self reckoning IOT regain credibility and trust. :2c:
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There’s enough “evidence” to ascertain a clear, prolonged pattern of behaviour, which includes racial or bigoted comments/statements and/or gross insensitivity wrt racial issues. Leadership material? Hardly.
All of the below excerpts are easily searchable, corroborated by different sources.
1973: The US Department of Justice — under the Nixon administration, out of all administrations — sued the Trump Management Corporation for violating the Fair Housing Act. Federal officials found evidence that Trump had refused to rent to Black tenants and lied to Black applicants about whether apartments were available, among other accusations. Trump said the federal government was trying to get him to rent to welfare recipients. In the aftermath, he signed an agreement in 1975 agreeing not to discriminate to renters of color without admitting to previous discrimination.
1991: A book by John O’Donnell, former president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City, quoted Trump’s criticism of a Black accountant: “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.” Trump later said in a 1997 Playboy interview that “the stuff O’Donnell wrote about me is probably true.”
1992: The Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino had to pay a $200,000 fine because it transferred Black and women dealers off tables to accommodate a big-time gambler’s prejudices.
2000: In opposition to a casino proposed by the St. Regis Mohawk tribe, which he saw as a financial threat to his casinos in Atlantic City, Trump secretly ran a series of ads suggesting the tribe had a “record of criminal activity [that] is well documented.”
2011: Trump played a big role in pushing false rumors that Obama — the country’s first Black president — was not born in the US. He claimed to send investigators to Hawaii to look into Obama’s birth certificate. Obama later released his birth certificate, calling Trump a “carnival barker.” The research has found a strong correlation between birtherism, as the conspiracy theory is called, and racism. But Trump has reportedly continued pushing this conspiracy theory in private.
-Trump has called the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus the “Chinese virus” and “kung flu.” The World Health Organization advises against linking a virus to any particular region, since it can lead to stigma. Trump’s adviser, even Kellyanne Conway previously described the term “kung flu” as “highly offensive.” Meanwhile, Asian Americans have reported hateful incidents targeting them due to the spread of the coronavirus.
-He argued in 2016 that Judge Gonzalo Curiel — who was overseeing the Trump University lawsuit — should recuse himself from the case because of his Mexican heritage and membership in a Latino lawyers association. House Speaker Paul Ryan, who endorsed Trump, later called such comments “the textbook definition of a racist comment.”
-Trump has been repeatedly slow to condemn white supremacists who endorse him, and he regularly retweeted messages from white supremacists and neo-Nazis during his presidential campaign.
-He tweeted and later deleted an image that showed Hillary Clinton in front of a pile of money and by a Jewish Star of David that said, “Most Corrupt Candidate Ever!” The tweet had some very obvious anti-Semitic imagery, but Trump insisted that the star was a sheriff’s badge, and said his campaign shouldn’t have deleted it.
-Trump has repeatedly referred to Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) as “Pocahontas,” using her controversial — and later walked-back — claims to Native American heritage as a punchline.
-In the week after white supremacist protests in Charlottesville, Virginia, in August 2017, Trump repeatedly said that “many sides” and “both sides” were to blame for the violence and chaos that ensued — suggesting that the white supremacist protesters were morally equivalent to counterprotesters who stood against racism. He also said that there were “some very fine people” among the white supremacists. All of this seemed like a dog whistle to white supremacists — and many of them took it as one, with white nationalist Richard Spencer praising Trump for “defending the truth.”
-Trump reportedly said in 2017 that people who came to the US from Haiti “all have AIDS,” and he lamented that people who came to the US from Nigeria would never “go back to their huts” once they saw America.
-Speaking about immigration in a bipartisan meeting in January 2018, Trump reportedly asked, in reference to Haiti and African countries, “Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?” He then reportedly suggested that the US should take more people from countries like Norway. The implication: Immigrants from predominantly white countries are good, while immigrants from predominantly Black countries are bad. Trump denied making the “shithole” comments, although some senators present at the meeting said they happened. The White House, meanwhile, suggested that the comments will play well to his base. The only connection between Trump’s remarks and his “shithole” comments is race.
-Trump mocked Elizabeth Warren’s presidential campaign, again calling her “Pocahontas” in a 2019 tweet before adding, “See you on the campaign TRAIL, Liz!” The capitalized “TRAIL” is seemingly a reference to the Trail of Tears — a horrific act of ethnic cleansing in the 19th century in which Native Americans were forcibly relocated, causing thousands of deaths.
-Trump tweeted later that year that several Black and brown members of Congress — Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY), Ayanna Pressley (D-MA), Ilhan Omar (D-MN), and Rashida Tlaib (D-MI) — are “from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe” and that they should “go back” to those countries. It’s a common racist trope to say that Black and brown people, particularly immigrants, should go back to their countries of origin. Three of the four members of Congress whom Trump targeted were born in the US.
All of the below excerpts are easily searchable, corroborated by different sources.
1973: The US Department of Justice — under the Nixon administration, out of all administrations — sued the Trump Management Corporation for violating the Fair Housing Act. Federal officials found evidence that Trump had refused to rent to Black tenants and lied to Black applicants about whether apartments were available, among other accusations. Trump said the federal government was trying to get him to rent to welfare recipients. In the aftermath, he signed an agreement in 1975 agreeing not to discriminate to renters of color without admitting to previous discrimination.
1991: A book by John O’Donnell, former president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City, quoted Trump’s criticism of a Black accountant: “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.” Trump later said in a 1997 Playboy interview that “the stuff O’Donnell wrote about me is probably true.”
1992: The Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino had to pay a $200,000 fine because it transferred Black and women dealers off tables to accommodate a big-time gambler’s prejudices.
2000: In opposition to a casino proposed by the St. Regis Mohawk tribe, which he saw as a financial threat to his casinos in Atlantic City, Trump secretly ran a series of ads suggesting the tribe had a “record of criminal activity [that] is well documented.”
2011: Trump played a big role in pushing false rumors that Obama — the country’s first Black president — was not born in the US. He claimed to send investigators to Hawaii to look into Obama’s birth certificate. Obama later released his birth certificate, calling Trump a “carnival barker.” The research has found a strong correlation between birtherism, as the conspiracy theory is called, and racism. But Trump has reportedly continued pushing this conspiracy theory in private.
-Trump has called the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus the “Chinese virus” and “kung flu.” The World Health Organization advises against linking a virus to any particular region, since it can lead to stigma. Trump’s adviser, even Kellyanne Conway previously described the term “kung flu” as “highly offensive.” Meanwhile, Asian Americans have reported hateful incidents targeting them due to the spread of the coronavirus.
-He argued in 2016 that Judge Gonzalo Curiel — who was overseeing the Trump University lawsuit — should recuse himself from the case because of his Mexican heritage and membership in a Latino lawyers association. House Speaker Paul Ryan, who endorsed Trump, later called such comments “the textbook definition of a racist comment.”
-Trump has been repeatedly slow to condemn white supremacists who endorse him, and he regularly retweeted messages from white supremacists and neo-Nazis during his presidential campaign.
-He tweeted and later deleted an image that showed Hillary Clinton in front of a pile of money and by a Jewish Star of David that said, “Most Corrupt Candidate Ever!” The tweet had some very obvious anti-Semitic imagery, but Trump insisted that the star was a sheriff’s badge, and said his campaign shouldn’t have deleted it.
-Trump has repeatedly referred to Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) as “Pocahontas,” using her controversial — and later walked-back — claims to Native American heritage as a punchline.
-In the week after white supremacist protests in Charlottesville, Virginia, in August 2017, Trump repeatedly said that “many sides” and “both sides” were to blame for the violence and chaos that ensued — suggesting that the white supremacist protesters were morally equivalent to counterprotesters who stood against racism. He also said that there were “some very fine people” among the white supremacists. All of this seemed like a dog whistle to white supremacists — and many of them took it as one, with white nationalist Richard Spencer praising Trump for “defending the truth.”
-Trump reportedly said in 2017 that people who came to the US from Haiti “all have AIDS,” and he lamented that people who came to the US from Nigeria would never “go back to their huts” once they saw America.
-Speaking about immigration in a bipartisan meeting in January 2018, Trump reportedly asked, in reference to Haiti and African countries, “Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?” He then reportedly suggested that the US should take more people from countries like Norway. The implication: Immigrants from predominantly white countries are good, while immigrants from predominantly Black countries are bad. Trump denied making the “shithole” comments, although some senators present at the meeting said they happened. The White House, meanwhile, suggested that the comments will play well to his base. The only connection between Trump’s remarks and his “shithole” comments is race.
-Trump mocked Elizabeth Warren’s presidential campaign, again calling her “Pocahontas” in a 2019 tweet before adding, “See you on the campaign TRAIL, Liz!” The capitalized “TRAIL” is seemingly a reference to the Trail of Tears — a horrific act of ethnic cleansing in the 19th century in which Native Americans were forcibly relocated, causing thousands of deaths.
-Trump tweeted later that year that several Black and brown members of Congress — Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY), Ayanna Pressley (D-MA), Ilhan Omar (D-MN), and Rashida Tlaib (D-MI) — are “from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe” and that they should “go back” to those countries. It’s a common racist trope to say that Black and brown people, particularly immigrants, should go back to their countries of origin. Three of the four members of Congress whom Trump targeted were born in the US.
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QV said:
Isn't that the same guy who at his 2016 Trump victory rally at which he and his supporters offered Hitler salutes and declared “Heil Trump!”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o6-bi3jlxk
A year later, he helped organize and personally addressed the infamous “Unite the Right” rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, where marchers chanted “Jews will not replace us.”
In 2018 he pretended to support “Zionism,” when he actually has a long history of hate towards both Israel and Jews, and claims that the Jewish state and its supporters control America.
Joe Biden Campaign Rejects Endorsement from White Nationalist Richard Spencer
https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk02GvDSaoJd9m-l_N0tU2_Bap3cFIg%3A1598842677478&source=hp&ei=NWdMX8TAGoO3ggek4peADw&q=biden+rejects+richard+spencer&oq=biden+rejects+richard+spencer&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzoECCMQJzoFCC4QkQI6CggAELEDEIMBEEM6CwguELEDEMcBEKMCOggILhCxAxCDAToFCAAQsQM6BAguECc6BQgAEJECOgoILhDHARCvARBDOgcILhCxAxBDOgcIABCxAxBDOggIABCxAxCDAToLCAAQsQMQgwEQkQI6BwgAEBQQhwI6AggAOggILhDHARCvAToECAAQQzoCCC46BQghEKABOggIIRAWEB0QHlC_B1jaXGCvaWgAcAB4BoABrQqIAdiXAZIBDjItMS4yLjQuNC4xMC41mAEAoAEBqgEHZ3dzLXdpeg&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwiEr9yOucTrAhWDm-AKHSTxBfAQ4dUDCAw&uact=5#spf=1598842694647
QV said:
Former KKK leader David Duke endorsed him. Wants Tucker to be VP!
"Whip those Republican cucks in line."
https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk00tDiKo2HuB5bU4cPyGVEDZ5taQRw%3A1598847022289&ei=LnhMX_alEc-a_QbJpLw4&q=%22former+kkk%22+endorses+trump&oq=%22former+kkk%22+endorses+trump&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIECCMQJ1DtsAdYicoHYIPOB2gAcAB4AIABtwKIAYQEkgEHMS4xLjAuMZgBAKABAaoBB2d3cy13aXrAAQE&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwj29MCmycTrAhVPTd8KHUkSDwcQ4dUDCAw&uact=5#spf=1598847147292
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Weinie said:
All too true, unfortunately. My in-laws got out of the business in the late 90s although my son stayed on with a paper in Alberta until around 2005 when he moved into aviation flight management (which itself isn't doing to well these days)
It's a sad sign in our society when a seventeen year-old "influencer" can make millions but real journalists can barely eke out a living.
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So if you state another country’s government is a failure, you’re racist now? You’re missing context on this one too.BeyondTheNow said:
I guess if he’s such a racist, we should see a drop in support from voters of those groups he’s racist towards. But they’re going up.
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