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Democrat war game lays out how Joe Biden could become president if President Trump wins the electoral vote

Posted at 6:24 pm on August 22, 2020 by Brett T.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/08/22/democrat-war-game-lays-out-how-joe-biden-could-become-president-if-president-trump-wins-the-electoral-vote/

Democrats, playing a “war game,” found a way for Joe Biden to become president even if President Trump wins in 2020, and it involves the military, as do most Democrat fantasies of removing Trump from the Oval Office.

Here’s GOP national spokesperson Elizabeth Harrington:
"Hillary Clinton, remember, 'Will you honor the election? The results of the election.' "She should have asked that question to herself." So crazy! The only people who need to be asked if they will accept the results of the election are Democrats -- and the media!

The media tries to set a narrative -- when the opposite is true They're pumping out these headlines on a daily basis Meanwhile...Democrat party leaders are literally game-planning how to *secede from the union* if they lose in Nov. Ask Dems if they'll accept the results!

This is NUTS

John Podesta -- not some fringe figure -- has a plan if President Trump wins

"California, Oregon, & Washington threatened to secede from the United States"

The Democrat House then "named Mr. Biden president" and then "waited to see what the military would do."



A group called the “Transition Integrity Project” that ironically includes a top Hillary Clinton advisor wants to wait to see what the military would do in the event of a Trump victory.

Full article here
 
shawn5o said:
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Which leads me to this question: Why are the democrats up in arms over mail-in votes? Drs Fauci and Brix state that in-person voting is all right (following proper precautions.)

Maybe it's this type of thing:

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Democratic Voters Surge in Texas Primary, Waiting in Punishingly Long Lines as Officials Struggle to Keep Up
Grueling wait times stretched hours past closing time at polling locations across Texas. One voter in Houston waited nearly seven hours to cast his ballot.
...

See rest of article here.

:worms:
 
shawn5o said:
Democrat war game lays out how Joe Biden could become president if President Trump wins the electoral vote

Posted at 6:24 pm on August 22, 2020 by Brett T.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/08/22/democrat-war-game-lays-out-how-joe-biden-could-become-president-if-president-trump-wins-the-electoral-vote/

Democrats, playing a “war game,” found a way for Joe Biden to become president even if President Trump wins in 2020, and it involves the military, as do most Democrat fantasies of removing Trump from the Oval Office.

Here’s GOP national spokesperson Elizabeth Harrington:


A group called the “Transition Integrity Project” that ironically includes a top Hillary Clinton advisor wants to wait to see what the military would do in the event of a Trump victory.

Full article here

Seriously? You're using Twitchy.com as an authoritative news site? Seriously?

:Tin-Foil-Hat:
 
FJAG said:
Seriously? You're using Twitchy.com as an authoritative news site? Seriously?

:Tin-Foil-Hat:

Posted at 6:24 pm on August 22, 2020 by Brett T.

Who is "Brett T." ?
 
Another thing Trump doesn't know how it works:

Top U.S. security official says he cannot send law enforcement to polling sites

U.S. President Donald Trump’s top homeland security official said on Sunday that his department does not have the authority to send law enforcement to polling sites during the November election despite Trump’s suggestion that federal officers could be deployed to guard against election fraud.

“That’s not what we do at the Department of Homeland Security,” Acting Secretary Chad Wolf said on CNN’S “State of the Union.” “We have express authorities authorized by Congress and this is not one of them,” he added.

Trump has said repeatedly and without evidence that a shift to universal mail-in voting - something most states have not proposed doing - will lead to fraud in the Nov. 3 election. The Republican president is running against Democratic challenger Joe Biden, who currently holds a substantial lead in public opinion polls.

Trump told Fox News on Thursday that law enforcement, including sheriffs and U.S. attorneys, would be deployed to polling stations around the country to stop fraud.

...


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-security/top-u-s-security-official-says-he-cannot-send-law-enforcement-to-polling-sites-idUSKBN25J0LU
 
OceanBonfire said:
Another thing Trump doesn't know how it works:

But, he knows if he keeps repeating it, some ( how many? ) will believe him.
 
FJAG said:
Are you not the least little bit concerned about a president who is already telegraphing the message that he will not accept an election defeat?

Doubt many of his cheerleaders are.

He may be riding a train he can't get off.

How Trump May Be Plotting to Stay Out of Jail
https://washingtonmonthly.com/2020/08/22/how-trump-may-be-plotting-to-stay-out-of-jail/

He could be planning for the “ultimate deal”—this time, with Joe Biden.

by Robert J. Shapiro

August 22, 2020

If Trump loses, he faces years of intensive investigations by Congress and, assuming he pardons himself, years of investigations by state prosecutors, likely criminal indictments, and possible conviction and imprisonment. The investigations also could expose some of his children to legal peril. And Trump assets—and those of the Trump Organization—will be vulnerable to government seizure if New York state prosecutors and courts find that his past actions were part of an organized enterprise engaged in criminal activity.

Trump’s representatives would privately tell Biden’s team that the sitting president may reject the outcome publicly and send his followers into the streets, unless the president-elect gives him a get-out-of-jail-free card.

https://washingtonmonthly.com/2020/08/22/how-trump-may-be-plotting-to-stay-out-of-jail/



 
FJAG said:
Seriously? You're using Twitchy.com as an authoritative news site? Seriously?

:Tin-Foil-Hat:

Why not? If you read the article, you will find a lot of twitter comments. From The New York Times:
But conveniently, a group of former top government officials called the Transition Integrity Project actually gamed four possible scenarios, including one that doesn’t look that different from 2016: a big popular win for Mr. Biden, and a narrow electoral defeat, presumably reached after weeks of counting the votes in Pennsylvania. For their war game, they cast John Podesta, who was Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman, in the role of Mr. Biden. They expected him, when the votes came in, to concede, just as Mrs. Clinton had.

But Mr. Podesta, playing Mr. Biden, shocked the organizers by saying he felt his party wouldn’t let him concede. Alleging voter suppression, he persuaded the governors of Wisconsin and Michigan to send pro-Biden electors to the Electoral College.

In that scenario, California, Oregon, and Washington then threatened to secede from the United States if Mr. Trump took office as planned. The House named Mr. Biden president; the Senate and White House stuck with Mr. Trump. At that point in the scenario, the nation stopped looking to the media for cues, and waited to see what the military would do.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/02/business/media/election-coverage.html

And remember
shawn5o said:
Why are the democrats up in arms over mail-in votes? Drs Fauci and Brix state that in-person voting is all right (following proper precautions.)
 
How Trump May Be Plotting to Stay Out of Jail
https://washingtonmonthly.com/2020/08/22/how-trump-may-be-plotting-to-stay-out-of-jail/

He could be planning for the “ultimate deal”—this time, with Joe Biden.

by Robert J. Shapiro

August 22, 2020

If Trump loses, he faces years of intensive investigations by Congress and, assuming he pardons himself, years of investigations by state prosecutors, likely criminal indictments, and possible conviction and imprisonment. The investigations also could expose some of his children to legal peril. And Trump assets—and those of the Trump Organization—will be vulnerable to government seizure if New York state prosecutors and courts find that his past actions were part of an organized enterprise engaged in criminal activity.

Trump’s representatives would privately tell Biden’s team that the sitting president may reject the outcome publicly and send his followers into the streets, unless the president-elect gives him a get-out-of-jail-free card.

https://washingtonmonthly.com/2020/08/22/how-trump-may-be-plotting-to-stay-out-of-jail/

Old news. The media and democrats are and were gunning for Trump since his election and i believe New York Attorney General Letitia James is winning against Trump and has more subpoenas waiting for him after he steps down.
 
hey everyone

Don't get your knickers in a knot. I don't care for Trump but I care for todays democrats even less.
 
shawn5o said:
hey everyone

Don't get your knickers in a knot. I don't care for Trump but I care for todays democrats even less.

I think that's kinda crazy the Biden/Harris ticket has to be as middle of the road as you can get the run the very real risk of not being able to turn out enough voters
 
In for a penney, in for a pound. More on that war game exercise I mentioned earlier. Doesn't look good for anyone


Where the System May Break
A war-game exercise simulating the 2020 election unmasked some key vulnerabilities.

JULY 31, 2020

David Frum
Staff writer at The Atlantic

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/07/how-2020-election-could-go-wrong/614842/

On the same morning that the United States government reported the steepest economic collapse in U.S. history, President Donald Trump mused on Twitter about postponing the 2020 election. Trump is getting desperate, more desperate by the day. What might he do? What should Americans fear?

Earlier this summer, 67 former government officials and academic students of government gathered over four sessions of the nonpartisan Transition Integrity Project to analyze those questions. They included Michael Steele, a former chair of the Republican National Committee; John Podesta, the former White House chief of staff who chaired Hillary Clinton’s 2016 campaign; former Republican members of Congress; and a host of former elected officials, government staffers, consultants, and even journalists. I joined two of the sessions.

The sessions began with scenarios of what might happen on Election Day—a big Biden win, a narrow Biden win, a Trump win in the Electoral College coupled with a loss in the popular vote—and then played war games to ponder what might follow. The goal was not to make predictions, but rather to test scenarios and identify potential weak points in the system. The approach is common in the national-security world, but has not often before been applied to domestic politics.

The organizers of the event will in time produce a formal report on the results. But in light of the president’s ominous tweet yesterday, it’s worth summarizing some of what we found, while respecting the rules under which the event was held—which allowed for the disclosure of the substance of the exercise, but not what individual participants said.

The good news is that Trump cannot postpone the election or the next presidential inauguration; he has no means to do either of those things. Those dates are set by law or in the text of the Constitution.

Nor can Trump somehow cling to power after Inauguration Day once the electoral vote is certified against him. If the Electoral College certifies Joe Biden the winner when its votes are counted in Washington, D.C., on January 6, then at noon on January 20, Donald Trump ceases to be president. His signature loses all legal effect, the officer carrying the nuclear football walks away, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff does not take his call.
The bottom line: There do exist outer legal boundaries to the mischief that can be done by even the most corrupt president.

The bad news is that there is a lot of mischief that can be done within the legal boundaries by a determined president, especially with the compliance of the attorney general and enough political allies in the state capitals.

Full article at The Atlantic
 
>Are you not the least little bit concerned about a president who is already telegraphing the message that he will not accept an election defeat?

Under what circumstances will Trump - according to him, not according to people making up what-ifs on his behalf - not accept an election defeat?  Is he supposed to concede before mandatory recounts?  Before anything that looks suspicious is properly investigated?  Would he be permitted, like Al Gore, to challenge a result after initially conceding?
 
The TIP is legit, and has been the subject of discussion - some amused, some concerned - since they held their little study session.  So much for the usual round of "I don't like your source, so it must be bullshit".
 
Brad Sallows said:
>Are you not the least little bit concerned about a president who is already telegraphing the message that he will not accept an election defeat?

Under what circumstances will Trump - according to him, not according to people making up what-ifs on his behalf - not accept an election defeat?  Is he supposed to concede before mandatory recounts?  Before anything that looks suspicious is properly investigated?  Would he be permitted, like Al Gore, to challenge a result after initially conceding?

One valid concern is that he has signalled that a valid result can only be known on the night of the election. He's very clearly shown that there's room to be concerned in the event of mail in ballots taking a few days to count, with the results hanging in the balance. He of course would have all the same legal rights to contest results, challenge ballots, etc. Those are legitimate mechanisms within the democratic process. Some of the things he has voiced do not fall within those arcs, though he has not gone to the point of outright saying he would not respect a result he doesn't like. He *has* declined to give a clear answer to the contrary. That's concerning.
 
Brihard said:
He *has* declined to give a clear answer to the contrary. That's concerning.

On the other hand, if you're looking for a clear answer on anything from him...
 
Since there are actual not-election-night deadlines for vote counts to be certified, Trump could be churlish by not making a sportsmanlike concession on election night to an apparent loss, but an election night concession is not a requirement of "the system" - it's just a custom of manners.  Concessions can be delayed or withdrawn pending clarification or litigation.
 
I’m fairly certain Trump is going to win both the electoral college and the popular vote this November.  I’m not sure how the house or senate will go, but if I was forced to guess, I’d say the GOP retains the senate and wins the house. 

A Trump administration with that kind of confidence boost and not saddled with re-election will make an interesting four years.
 
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