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U.S. Politics 2017 (split fm US Election: 2016)

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Chispa said:
The  :panic: :pullhair: Donald Trump is expected to sign an executive order today to move ahead with his proposed ban on Muslim immigration. The order could include a temporary ban on most refugees and a block on any visas at all being issued for people from Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen. How do you feel about Donald Trump moving ahead with his proposed immigration ban?

Yes give (Tyrant Narcissist) Trump a chance He's going too dooo great things and the whole wide world will be a safer place.

This neural med I'm on today is...wow https://army.ca/forums/Smileys/Armyca/PM.png

C.U.

I posted this some days ago, guess the source was right......
 
gryphonv said:
The sad thing about this, the left don't realize, that Trump is just a result from all the SJW culture that has evolved over the Obama administration.

Fox News live feed - Sunday, 29 Jan 2017

https://www.facebook.com/FoxNews/videos/10155057510951336/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED
 
gryphonv said:
All the attacks against predominately White Straight Men, for nothing more than being White Straight Men.

Did two terms of President Obama trigger nostalgia, in some, to go back to "the good old days"?
 
mariomike said:
Did two terms of President Obama trigger nostalgia, in some, to go back to "the good old days"?

I don't feel its about 'the good old days'.

I feel that the a very large group of voters felt marginalized and were constantly being told their opinion don't matter.
 
George Wallace said:

Will the long hot summer of 2017 be any more peaceful than last summer?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/black-lives-matter-comments-on-donald-trumps-election-win-a7419801.html

Edit to add:

How much police overtime has already been spent on anti-Trump protests? How much more is going to have to be budgeted?




 
mariomike said:
Will the long hot summer of 2017 be any more peaceful than last summer?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/black-lives-matter-comments-on-donald-trumps-election-win-a7419801.html

See the thing that confuses me about BLM, what is their end game? Is it when police lose their ability to police? Is it when criminals are allowed to run away? Is it when a non black police officer can't arrest a black person?

I feel they are a racist group, but I also don't feel everyone in the group are bad people. I just am confused what they think is their ultimate goal.


 
gryphonv said:
I just am confused what they think is their ultimate goal.

Me too.

But, there's nothing new about it,

Mass racial violence in the United States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_racial_violence_in_the_United_States#1964

From 1967,

"What happened? Why did it happen? What can be done to prevent it from happening again and again?"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerner_Commission
 
People like Bill Maher, John Stewart, and John Oliver did more to get Trump elected than any campaign strategy ever could.  The constant belittling and mocking of anyone who works for a living, likes the odd beer, and shooting guns now and then, night after night, created a huge backlash against the left.  Marginalize people long enough, they're going to bite back, and Trump was their attack dog.
 
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/444370/donald-trump-refugee-executive-order-no-muslim-ban-separating-fact-hysteria

Interesting article on the "Ban" - I was originally led to the article on Facebook - recommended by David Akin.

 
For the record - Here is the Executive Order on Immigration as published by CNN
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/28/politics/text-of-trump-executive-order-nation-ban-refugees/

PROTECTING THE NATION FROM FOREIGN TERRORIST ENTRY INTO THE UNITED STATES
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and laws of the United States of America, including the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), 8 U.S.C. 1101 et seq., and section 301 of title 3, United States Code, and to protect the American people from terrorist attacks by foreign nationals admitted to the United States, it is hereby ordered as follows:
Section 1. Purpose. The visa-issuance process plays a crucial role in detecting individuals with terrorist ties and stopping them from entering the United States. Perhaps in no instance was that more apparent than the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, when State Department policy prevented consular officers from properly scrutinizing the visa applications of several of the 19 foreign nationals who went on to murder nearly 3,000 Americans. And while the visa-issuance process was reviewed and amended after the September 11 attacks to better detect would-be terrorists from receiving visas, these measures did not stop attacks by foreign nationals who were admitted to the United States.
Numerous foreign-born individuals have been convicted or implicated in terrorism-related crimes since September 11, 2001, including foreign nationals who entered the United States after receiving visitor, student, or employment visas, or who entered through the United States refugee resettlement program. Deteriorating conditions in certain countries due to war, strife, disaster, and civil unrest increase the likelihood that terrorists will use any means possible to enter the United States. The United States must be vigilant during the visa-issuance process to ensure that those approved for admission do not intend to harm Americans and that they have no ties to terrorism.

In order to protect Americans, the United States must ensure that those admitted to this country do not bear hostile attitudes toward it and its founding principles. The United States cannot, and should not, admit those who do not support the Constitution, or those who would place violent ideologies over American law. In addition, the United States should not admit those who engage in acts of bigotry or hatred (including "honor" killings, other forms of violence against women, or the persecution of those who practice religions different from their own) or those who would oppress Americans of any race, gender, or sexual orientation.
Sec. 2. Policy. It is the policy of the United States to protect its citizens from foreign nationals who intend to commit terrorist attacks in the United States; and to prevent the admission of foreign nationals who intend to exploit United States immigration laws for malevolent purposes.
Sec. 3. Suspension of Issuance of Visas and Other Immigration Benefits to Nationals of Countries of Particular Concern. (a) The Secretary of Homeland Security, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Director of National Intelligence, shall immediately conduct a review to determine the information needed from any country to adjudicate any visa, admission, or other benefit under the INA (adjudications) in order to determine that the individual seeking the benefit is who the individual claims to be and is not a security or public-safety threat.
(b) The Secretary of Homeland Security, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Director of National Intelligence, shall submit to the President a report on the results of the review described in subsection (a) of this section, including the Secretary of Homeland Security's determination of the information needed for adjudications and a list of countries that do not provide adequate information, within 30 days of the date of this order. The Secretary of Homeland Security shall provide a copy of the report to the Secretary of State and the Director of National Intelligence.
(c) To temporarily reduce investigative burdens on relevant agencies during the review period described in subsection (a) of this section, to ensure the proper review and maximum utilization of available resources for the screening of foreign nationals, and to ensure that adequate standards are established to prevent infiltration by foreign terrorists or criminals, pursuant to section 212(f) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1182(f), I hereby proclaim that the immigrant and nonimmigrant entry into the United States of aliens from countries referred to in section 217(a)(12) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1187(a)(12), would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, and I hereby suspend entry into the United States, as immigrants and nonimmigrants, of such persons for 90 days from the date of this order (excluding those foreign nationals traveling on diplomatic visas, North Atlantic Treaty Organization visas, C-2 visas for travel to the United Nations, and G-1, G-2, G-3, and G-4 visas).
(d) Immediately upon receipt of the report described in subsection (b) of this section regarding the information needed for adjudications, the Secretary of State shall request all foreign governments that do not supply such information to start providing such information regarding their nationals within 60 days of notification.
(e) After the 60-day period described in subsection (d) of this section expires, the Secretary of Homeland Security, in consultation with the Secretary of State, shall submit to the President a list of countries recommended for inclusion on a Presidential proclamation that would prohibit the entry of foreign nationals (excluding those foreign nationals traveling on diplomatic visas, North Atlantic Treaty Organization visas, C-2 visas for travel to the United Nations, and G-1, G-2, G-3, and G-4 visas) from countries that do not provide the information requested pursuant to subsection (d) of this section until compliance occurs.
(f) At any point after submitting the list described in subsection (e) of this section, the Secretary of State or the Secretary of Homeland Security may submit to the President the names of any additional countries recommended for similar treatment.
(g) Notwithstanding a suspension pursuant to subsection (c) of this section or pursuant to a Presidential proclamation described in subsection (e) of this section, the Secretaries of State and Homeland Security may, on a case-by-case basis, and when in the national interest, issue visas or other immigration benefits to nationals of countries for which visas and benefits are otherwise blocked.
(h) The Secretaries of State and Homeland Security shall submit to the President a joint report on the progress in implementing this order within 30 days of the date of this order, a second report within 60 days of the date of this order, a third report within 90 days of the date of this order, and a fourth report within 120 days of the date of this order.
Sec. 4. Implementing Uniform Screening Standards for All Immigration Programs. (a) The Secretary of State, the Secretary of Homeland Security, the Director of National Intelligence, and the Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation shall implement a program, as part of the adjudication process for immigration benefits, to identify individuals seeking to enter the United States on a fraudulent basis with the intent to cause harm, or who are at risk of causing harm subsequent to their admission. This program will include the development of a uniform screening standard and procedure, such as in-person interviews; a database of identity documents proffered by applicants to ensure that duplicate documents are not used by multiple applicants; amended application forms that include questions aimed at identifying fraudulent answers and malicious intent; a mechanism to ensure that the applicant is who the applicant claims to be; a process to evaluate the applicant's likelihood of becoming a positively contributing member of society and the applicant's ability to make contributions to the national interest; and a mechanism to assess whether or not the applicant has the intent to commit criminal or terrorist acts after entering the United States.
(b) The Secretary of Homeland Security, in conjunction with the Secretary of State, the Director of National Intelligence, and the Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, shall submit to the President an initial report on the progress of this directive within 60 days of the date of this order, a second report within 100 days of the date of this order, and a third report within 200 days of the date of this order.
Sec. 5. Realignment of the U.S. Refugee Admissions Program for Fiscal Year 2017. (a) The Secretary of State shall suspend the U.S. Refugee Admissions Program (USRAP) for 120 days. During the 120-day period, the Secretary of State, in conjunction with the Secretary of Homeland Security and in consultation with the Director of National Intelligence, shall review the USRAP application and adjudication process to determine what additional procedures should be taken to ensure that those approved for refugee admission do not pose a threat to the security and welfare of the United States, and shall implement such additional procedures. Refugee applicants who are already in the USRAP process may be admitted upon the initiation and completion of these revised procedures. Upon the date that is 120 days after the date of this order, the Secretary of State shall resume USRAP admissions only for nationals of countries for which the Secretary of State, the Secretary of Homeland Security, and the Director of National Intelligence have jointly determined that such additional procedures are adequate to ensure the security and welfare of the United States.
(b) Upon the resumption of USRAP admissions, the Secretary of State, in consultation with the Secretary of Homeland Security, is further directed to make changes, to the extent permitted by law, to prioritize refugee claims made by individuals on the basis of religious-based persecution, provided that the religion of the individual is a minority religion in the individual's country of nationality. Where necessary and appropriate, the Secretaries of State and Homeland Security shall recommend legislation to the President that would assist with such prioritization.
(c) Pursuant to section 212(f) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1182(f), I hereby proclaim that the entry of nationals of Syria as refugees is detrimental to the interests of the United States and thus suspend any such entry until such time as I have determined that sufficient changes have been made to the USRAP to ensure that admission of Syrian refugees is consistent with the national interest.
(d) Pursuant to section 212(f) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1182(f), I hereby proclaim that the entry of more than 50,000 refugees in fiscal year 2017 would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, and thus suspend any such entry until such time as I determine that additional admissions would be in the national interest.
(e) Notwithstanding the temporary suspension imposed pursuant to subsection (a) of this section, the Secretaries of State and Homeland Security may jointly determine to admit individuals to the United States as refugees on a case-by-case basis, in their discretion, but only so long as they determine that the admission of such individuals as refugees is in the national interest -- including when the person is a religious minority in his country of nationality facing religious persecution, when admitting the person would enable the United States to conform its conduct to a preexisting international agreement, or when the person is already in transit and denying admission would cause undue hardship -- and it would not pose a risk to the security or welfare of the United States.
(f) The Secretary of State shall submit to the President an initial report on the progress of the directive in subsection (b) of this section regarding prioritization of claims made by individuals on the basis of religious-based persecution within 100 days of the date of this order and shall submit a second report within 200 days of the date of this order.
(g) It is the policy of the executive branch that, to the extent permitted by law and as practicable, State and local jurisdictions be granted a role in the process of determining the placement or settlement in their jurisdictions of aliens eligible to be admitted to the United States as refugees. To that end, the Secretary of Homeland Security shall examine existing law to determine the extent to which, consistent with applicable law, State and local jurisdictions may have greater involvement in the process of determining the placement or resettlement of refugees in their jurisdictions, and shall devise a proposal to lawfully promote such involvement.
Sec. 6. Rescission of Exercise of Authority Relating to the Terrorism Grounds of Inadmissibility. The Secretaries of State and Homeland Security shall, in consultation with the Attorney General, consider rescinding the exercises of authority in section 212 of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1182, relating to the terrorism grounds of inadmissibility, as well as any related implementing memoranda.
Sec. 7. Expedited Completion of the Biometric Entry-Exit Tracking System. (a) The Secretary of Homeland Security shall expedite the completion and implementation of a biometric entry-exit tracking system for all travelers to the United States, as recommended by the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States.
(b) The Secretary of Homeland Security shall submit to the President periodic reports on the progress of the directive contained in subsection (a) of this section. The initial report shall be submitted within 100 days of the date of this order, a second report shall be submitted within 200 days of the date of this order, and a third report shall be submitted within 365 days of the date of this order. Further, the Secretary shall submit a report every 180 days thereafter until the system is fully deployed and operational.
Sec. 8. Visa Interview Security. (a) The Secretary of State shall immediately suspend the Visa Interview Waiver Program and ensure compliance with section 222 of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1222, which requires that all individuals seeking a nonimmigrant visa undergo an in-person interview, subject to specific statutory exceptions.
(b) To the extent permitted by law and subject to the availability of appropriations, the Secretary of State shall immediately expand the Consular Fellows Program, including by substantially increasing the number of Fellows, lengthening or making permanent the period of service, and making language training at the Foreign Service Institute available to Fellows for assignment to posts outside of their area of core linguistic ability, to ensure that non-immigrant visa-interview wait times are not unduly affected.
Sec. 9. Visa Validity Reciprocity. The Secretary of State shall review all nonimmigrant visa reciprocity agreements to ensure that they are, with respect to each visa classification, truly reciprocal insofar as practicable with respect to validity period and fees, as required by sections 221(c) and 281 of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1201(c) and 1351, and other treatment. If a country does not treat United States nationals seeking nonimmigrant visas in a reciprocal manner, the Secretary of State shall adjust the visa validity period, fee schedule, or other treatment to match the treatment of United States nationals by the foreign country, to the extent practicable.
Sec. 10. Transparency and Data Collection. (a) To be more transparent with the American people, and to more effectively implement policies and practices that serve the national interest, the Secretary of Homeland Security, in consultation with the Attorney General, shall, consistent with applicable law and national security, collect and make publicly available within 180 days, and every 180 days thereafter:
(i) information regarding the number of foreign nationals in the United States who have been charged with terrorism-related offenses while in the United States; convicted of terrorism-related offenses while in the United States; or removed from the United States based on terrorism-related activity, affiliation, or material support to a terrorism-related organization, or any other national security reasons since the date of this order or the last reporting period, whichever is later;
(ii) information regarding the number of foreign nationals in the United States who have been radicalized after entry into the United States and engaged in terrorism-related acts, or who have provided material support to terrorism-related organizations in countries that pose a threat to the United States, since the date of this order or the last reporting period, whichever is later; and
(iii) information regarding the number and types of acts of gender-based violence against women, including honor killings, in the United States by foreign nationals, since the date of this order or the last reporting period, whichever is later; and
(iv) any other information relevant to public safety and security as determined by the Secretary of Homeland Security and the Attorney General, including information on the immigration status of foreign nationals charged with major offenses.
(b) The Secretary of State shall, within one year of the date of this order, provide a report on the estimated long-term costs of the USRAP at the Federal, State, and local levels.
Sec. 11. General Provisions. (a) Nothing in this order shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect:
(i) the authority granted by law to an executive department or agency, or the head thereof; or
(ii) the functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budgetary, administrative, or legislative proposals.
(b) This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations.
(c) This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.
DONALD J. TRUMP
THE WHITE HOUSE, January 27, 2017
 
Further to the record  - the laws cited in the Executive Order.

8 U.S. Code § 1182 - Inadmissible aliens
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1182


(f) Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President
Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate. Whenever the Attorney General finds that a commercial airline has failed to comply with regulations of the Attorney General relating to requirements of airlines for the detection of fraudulent documents used by passengers traveling to the United States (including the training of personnel in such detection), the Attorney General may suspend the entry of some or all aliens transported to the United States by such airline.

8 U.S. Code § 1187 - Visa waiver program for certain visitors
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1187

(12) Not present in Iraq, Syria, or any other country or area of concern
(A) In generalExcept as provided in subparagraphs (B) and (C)—
(i) the alien has not been present, at any time on or after March 1, 2011—
(I) in Iraq or Syria;
(II) in a country that is designated by the Secretary of State under section 4605(j) of title 50 (as continued in effect under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (50 U.S.C. 1701 et seq.)), section 2780 of title 22, section 2371 of title 22, or any other provision of law, as a country, the government of which has repeatedly provided support of acts of international terrorism; or
(III) in any other country or area of concern designated by the Secretary of Homeland Security under subparagraph (D); and
(ii) regardless of whether the alien is a national of a program country, the alien is not a national of—
(I) Iraq or Syria;
(II) a country that is designated, at the time the alien applies for admission, by the Secretary of State under section 4605(j) of title 50 (as continued in effect under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (50 U.S.C. 1701 et seq.)), section 2780 of title 22, section 2371 of title 22, or any other provision of law, as a country, the government of which has repeatedly provided support of acts of international terrorism; or
(III) any other country that is designated, at the time the alien applies for admission, by the Secretary of Homeland Security under subparagraph (D).

 
ModlrMike said:
Indeed. There persists a pernicious belief in some parts of the US that we serve a s a conduit for people who would do the US harm. We do not need to reinforce that belief. If the US ultimately believes that Canadians travelers are a potential security risk, then the harm to our economy could be significant. Our government needs to take bear this calculus in mind when they react off the cuff.

Too important not to be hilighted. It will be a bloody disaster if Justin T. starts tweeting ala Trump. Especially if he states that it is a Canadian opinion.
 
Jed said:
It will be a bloody disaster if Justin T. starts tweeting ala Trump. Especially if he states that it is a Canadian opinion.
Like it or not, it is a Canadian government opinion.
 
milnews.ca said:
Like it or not, it is a Canadian government opinion.

Unfortunately, one that may have been made, "mouth in motion, before thinking"; especially when it included that we will accept those that the US banned.

 
George Wallace said:
... one that may have been made, "mouth in motion, before thinking" ...
A good chance he did flinch, but it appears he's not alone in the "I'll paint the broad strokes, and let the front line sort out the details - even if I may not have asked them" department.

So far, dual citizens of Canada & whatever don't seem to be affected (as long as they're not coming from one of the targetted countries), but Prince Valiant better have a sturdy spine if POTUS45 doesn't like it.  Time will tell ...
 
What I am seeing are a lot of people, not just the Liberal Government, but a lot of Canadians and Americans panicking and not understanding what exactly the Trump Administration wrote, and what was pre-existing from the Obama Administration.  Compound all that with airlines like Air Canada making up their own rules and their own NO FLY LISTS.  (Seriously.  I was on an Air Canada No Fly List in 2005, and I was travelling on a NATO Travel Order.  It was comical in a way, as I was the only one of three born in Canada.  The others were Polish and South American.  When I checked into it, I was not on any NO FLY List anywhere in the Government, only with Air Canada.)  Until people actually see the whole picture, it is nonsense for them to be rioting in the streets.  (Tomorrow, in Ottawa, there is to be a large protest at the American Embassy.  :dunno:)
 
George Wallace said:
What I am seeing are a lot of people, not just the Liberal Government, but a lot of Canadians and Americans panicking and not understanding what exactly the Trump Administration wrote, and what was pre-existing from the Obama Administration.  Compound all that with airlines like Air Canada making up their own rules and their own NO FLY LISTS.  (Seriously.  I was on an Air Canada No Fly List in 2005, and I was travelling on a NATO Travel Order.  It was comical in a way, as I was the only one of three born in Canada.  The others were Polish and South American.  When I checked into it, I was not on any NO FLY List anywhere in the Government, only with Air Canada.)  Until people actually see the whole picture, it is nonsense for them to be rioting in the streets.  (Tomorrow, in Ottawa, there is to be a large protest at the American Embassy.  :dunno:)

What worries me about this whole business is how the extremely biased Mainstream Media throws gas on the fire being lit by lawless, cry baby leftists who lost a democratic election. No doubt, partially funded by Globalist elites and George Soros types.
 
George Wallace said:
What I am seeing are a lot of people, not just the Liberal Government, but a lot of Canadians and Americans panicking and not understanding what exactly the Trump Administration wrote, and what was pre-existing from the Obama Administration.  Compound all that with airlines like Air Canada making up their own rules and their own NO FLY LISTS.  (Seriously.  I was on an Air Canada No Fly List in 2005, and I was travelling on a NATO Travel Order.  It was comical in a way, as I was the only one of three born in Canada.  The others were Polish and South American.  When I checked into it, I was not on any NO FLY List anywhere in the Government, only with Air Canada.)  Until people actually see the whole picture, it is nonsense for them to be rioting in the streets.  (Tomorrow, in Ottawa, there is to be a large protest at the American Embassy.  :dunno:)

You must have asked for a full can of pop.  ;D
 
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