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The War of 1812 Merged Thread

Retired AF Guy said:
Here is the Wiki page dealing with the Battle of Ridgeway.

A more patriotic version of the battle can be found here.

I fear the "more patriotic version" applies considerable artistic licence. The wikipedia narrative is closer to what I feel is the truth based on extensive research.

One of the documents which is rarely quoted is the investigation into the events at Ridgeway ordered by the militia authorities in Toronto and submitted on 30 June 1866. The investigating officer walked the battlefield and interviewed participants.  In the report it is clear that the climax of the battle came as the Canadian skirmishers had advanced to the Bertie Road which runs east-west about 1.5 km north of and roughly parallel to the Garrison Road, which was the first Canadian position. He wrote

This would seem to have been the condition of affairs when the enemy made an advance - our line was thrown into confusion - a cry of cavalry coming tended to increase it - square was formed on the road where [shown on a sketch map] and while in square one man was killed. The column had barely been reformed, the officer commanding seeing no cavalry and being aware of the increased risk from his formation, when the running back of the troops on the right followed by the enemy close upon them emparted the panic to those on the road and they also broke and ran.

It should be understood that in the original Fenian plan, the invasion of the Niagara Peninsula was a diversion to draw off British and Canadian troops from other landing in what is now SW Ontario and the area south of Montreal. When these did not occur, the Fenians who had returned to Fort Erie were evacuated by barge back towards Buffalo. As they entered Americans waters they were intercepted by an American vessel and arrested.
 
“The Fenian Brotherhood, battle-hardened American veterans, first fought to keep our nation united and strong in the Civil War" Except for those fighting for the Confederates ...

"Then, by launching this invasion, they significantly contributed to the national independence of Canada and eventually Ireland"

Sorry, W.L. Mackenzie, L. J. Papineau, Vimy Ridge and the Statute of Westminster had more to do with it. :cdn:

" The Fenian invasion demonstrated that freedom and democracy are forces that no amount of oppression can stop."
Lincoln you are not ...

Even outnumbered and outgunned, the Fenians valiantly battled the British Crown forces. "
Except they weren't British

They played a pivotal role in Canada’s independence, and they helped inspire Irish freedom.”
Guy doesn't know Canadian or Irish history ...

'Senator Peter Kennedy" Is this guy related to those Kennedys ? would explain a lot ...

Yes, I am miffed ...
 
I've just finished reading Peter Vronsky's book, "Ridgeway: The American Invasujion and the 1866 Battle That Made Canada". It's the best account and analysis of the battle that I've come across.

There are a few minor errrors:p 17, the 13th Bn is today The Royal Hamilton Light Infantry, (RHLI), not the Hamilton Light Infantry Regiment, and in 1866 Port Dalhousie was at the mouth of the Welland Canal, not near it, p 60.

As an old Linc & Welld R soldier, I was disappointed that he did not point out that No 2 Company of the 19th Battalion covered the retreat to Port Colborne. Under Captain Hugh James it had arrived in Port Colborne too late to join Booker's force when it set off for Ridgeway, but on hearing:

"...that the Fenians had reached Ridgeway, the men were ordered to that place. As no cars were available, they had to be conveyed thither on an engine and tender of the Grand Trunk Railway (B&LH Railwyay). Arriving too late to take part in the fight, they had nevertheless the honor of forming the rear guard to the Queen's Own Rifles on their way back to Port Colborne, that regiment having run short of ammunition" (John H. Thompson, pub. Jubilee History of Thorold Township...)

Vronsky mentions Gunners John Bradley and John Harbison, both of Port Colborne and the Welland Canal Battery.

John Bradley's wound was so severe it was necessary to amputate his leg leaving him disabled for life. He was given employment as ferryman rowing a scow across the canal at the foot of Sugarloaf Street. The County of Welland granted him “as some compensation for the loss which you have sustained by reason of the wound received…” $85 and 100 acres of land, being the south half of Lot 23 in the 3rd Concession of Wainfleet. He lived on Welland Street in the village. A Militia medical board deemed him “Unfit for [military] service, greatly impairs usual occupation”. He was awarded a pension of 30 cents a day beginning on 2 June 1866, with a total pension for one year of $109.50 and a gratuity of $50.00. Dr. Neff, his doctor, was paid $23.00.

For “his loyalty and devotion to the interests of his country and as some compensation for the loss which he sustained by reason of the bodily injury resulting from the wound heretofore mentioned”, John Harbison was granted by the County of Welland Lot 26 on the west side of Fares Street. The Militia medical board deemed his injury to equate to 9 month's loss wages, or $216.51

All in all, though, I recommend Vronsky's book.
 
I share your opinion of Pter's book. When he and I met last year at old Fort Erie, he remarked that he had done nothing but study the campaign for three years and the results of his diligence were apparent.
 
Here is the notification on the conference from its website:



BATTLE OF RIDGEWAY AND THE 1866 AMERICAN FENIAN RAID ON CANADA: A CONFERENCE

Saturday, June 2, 2012  –  1:00 PM to 4:00 PM - (followed by reception 7:00 PM)

1st annual Ridgeway Reads Literary Festival 
The Sanctuary - Centre for the Arts
209 Ridge Road
Ridgeway, Ontario
L0S 1N0


Canada’s first modern battle was fought on June 2, 1866 near the village of Ridgeway during the Fenian Raid on Canada. One thousand Irish American Fenian insurgents, mostly veterans of the recent American Civil War, invaded across the Niagara River at Fort Erie, Ontario, from Buffalo, New York. The objective was to take Canada hostage in a bid to expel the British monarchy from Ireland and establish an independent Irish republic. The Irish insurgents crossing at Fort Erie were the vanguard of a planned 20,000-strong Fenian army preparing to invade along numerous points of the US-Canadian border.

As the Fenian force at Fort Erie threatened to take the nearby strategic Welland Canal, 841 Canadian militia troops fought approximately 700-800 Fenians on Limestone Ridge in Canada’s first battle fought in the modern age of telegraph, steam engines and the rifled barrel, the first fought exclusively by Canadian troops and led entirely by Canadian officers and the last battle fought against foreign invaders in what would become Ontario. It was also an unmitigated disaster of such proportions that the history of the Battle of Ridgeway was covered up so thoroughly that few Canadian today have heard of it.

What happened at Ridgeway, how and why it was covered up, who were the Fenians, why did the Irish invade Canada in 1866, and did the United States secretly back the invasion, are some of the subjects of the conference which will commemorate the battle on its 146th anniversary on June 2, 2012, on a Saturday exactly as it fell in 1866.

The Sanctuary Centre for the Arts - 209 Ridge Road - L0S 1N0 - June 2, 2012
Presented by the First Annual Ridgeway Reads Literary Festival




For more on the 1866 Battle of Ridgeway, the Fenians, and Ridgeway festival events and ticketing details visit:

www.ridgewaybattle.ca            www.fenians.org            www.ridgewayreads.com

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CONFERENCE SPEAKERS

Robert Kearns (Moderator) is the President and Founder of Kearns Insurance Corporation and Kearns Investment Corporation and has been continually involved in the commemoration of Irish and Canadian history. Originally from Dublin, he graduated with a Bachelor of Arts Degree in Archaeology and Greek and Roman Civilizations from University College Dublin, before immigrating to Canada in 1979. As the Chairman and Founder of Ireland Park Foundation, he articulates his vision of creating full recognition for the Irish community and their history in Canada. He also serves as Chairman of the campaign for Celtic Studies at St. Michael’s College at the University of Toronto and Director of the Halifax Aircraft Association, a ten year project with Canadian veterans to restore a second world war Halifax bomber to commemorate the ten thousand Canadians who failed to return from their service in bomber command. More recently he has undertaken the cause for official recognition of the “Ridgeway Nine”—modern Canada’s forgotten first servicemen killed in action on June 2, 1866.

William Jenkins is an associate professor of geography and a member of the graduate programs in geography and history at York University. His published work initially focused on social and economic transformations in nineteenth- and twentieth-century rural Ireland and has more recently concentrated on the lives and allegiances of Irish immigrants and their descendants in urban North America. His work has appeared in the Journal of Historical Geography, Immigrants and Minorities and the Journal of Urban History, among other scholarly outlets. His book, Between Raid and Rebellion: the Irish in Buffalo and Toronto, 1867-1916 will be published by McGill-Queen's University Press in the fall of 2012.

Brian Reid was born in Fort Erie and grew up in Ridgeway. He joined the Canadian Army in 1957 as a gunner and was commissioned in the Royal Regiment of Canadian Artillery in 1961. During his career he served in a variety of regimental, staff and liaison appointments in Canada, the United States and Europe. His final appointment before he retired in 1994 was in the Director General Military Plans and Operations division in National Defence Headquarters. His published works include RCHA - Right of the Line (co-author,) Our Little Army in the Field: The Canadians in South Africa, 1899-1902, No Holding Back: Operation Totalize, Normandy, August 1944 and Named By The Enemy: A History of the Royal Winnipeg Rifles as well as studies in Fighting for Canada: Seven Battles, 1758-1945 and More Fighting for Canada: Five Battles, 1760-1944. When not in Snowbird mode, he and his wife Patricia live in Kemptville, Ontario.

Peter Vronsky is the author of the recently published Ridgeway: The American Fenian Invasion and the 1866 Battle That Made Canada, (Penguin Books), the first book published in over one hundred years on the forgotten Battle of Ridgeway. He is a documentary filmmaker and the author of two bestselling true crime history books on the psychopathology and culture of serial homicide from the Roman Empire to the Washington beltway. Ridgeway is based on his recent Ph.d. dissertation at University of Toronto in the history of espionage and international relations in Civil War-era Canada. He is a sessional professor at Ryerson University History Department where he teaches courses in 19th and 20th century new military history and international relations and is currently writing a new biography of the Dulles brothers based on recently declassified (2004) CIA files.

David A. Wilson is a historian of Irish political traditions throughout the Atlantic world is the author of the two volume Thomas D'Arcy McGee Volume 1: Passion, Reason, and Politics 1825-57 and Volume 2: The Extreme Moderate, 1857-1868. (Queen's McGill University Press) His books include Paine and Cobbett: The Transatlantic Connection; Peter Porcupine in America: Pamphlets on Republicanism and Revolution; Ireland, a Bicycle and a Tin Whistle; United Irishmen, United States: Immigrant Radicals in the Early Republic; The History of the Future; Ulster Presbyterians in the Atlantic World; and The Orange Order in Canada. He is currently working on a book on Canadian Fenianism. He is coordinator of the Celtic Studies Program and a professor in the Department of History at the University of Toronto.

 
The Honourable John Duncan, Minister of Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development, is proud to unveil the commemorative War of 1812 medal for the 44 First Nation and Métis communities with a heritage linked to the War of 1812.

“Today I am pleased to unveil this medal as part of the commemoration of the 200th Anniversary of the War of 1812,” said Minister Duncan. “Carrying forward the medal tradition to the present day gives us an opportunity to honour and recognize the contributions of Aboriginal people to our military history.”
Reverse

At the end of the War of 1812, military banners and medals were presented to Aboriginal groups who had fought alongside British forces. While the banners were generally awarded by the British Army, ‘King George medals’ were issued by the government as symbolic acts of gratitude and recognition to the Crown’s Aboriginal allies. In order to strengthen the recognition of Aboriginal efforts, Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development Canada has developed commemorative War of 1812 medals ....
News release, 22 May 12

Images of medal faces attached
 
It would appear that there has been a chnge in thinking at DHH regarding perpetuation and Battle Honours.

From the programme issued at the Military Muster held in Toronto before Prince Charles on 22 May 2012:

“The five snare drums are commemorative items created to visually represent the awards made to historic Canadian militia units for their service during the War of 1812 and the recent perpetuation of more than one hundred of these units by twenty-nine currently-serving units of the Canadian Army.  Three of the drums represent regions and provinces – Atlantic, Quebec, and Ontario – and depict the names of the perpetuating units and their Honorary Distinction.  The fourth drum depicts the names of the four Canadian Army regiments which jointly perpetuate the wartime Battalion of Incorporated Militia of Upper Canada and their inherited battle honour “NIAGARA’ as well as the War of 1812 Honourary Distinction DEFENCE OF CANADA – 1812-1815 – DÉFENCE DU CANADA.

The fifth drum depicts the names of the six Fencible regiments of the British Army raised in British North America which saw service during the War of 1812.  Soldiers from The Halifax Rifles and The Royal Newfoundland Regiment are on parade today to reflect the service of the Fencible Regiments raised in Nova Scotia and Newfoundland.”

Nova Scotia
84th Independent Field Artillery, RCA
1st Battalion, The Nova Scotia Highlanders
The West Nova Scotia Regiment
New Brunswick
3rd Field Artillery Regiment, RCA
8th Canadian Hussars (Princess Louise’s)
The Royal New Brunswick Regiment

Quebec
2nd Field Artillery Regiment, RCA
12e Régiment blindé du Canada
The Black Watch (Royal Highland Regiment) of Canada
The Canadian Grenadier Guards
Les Fusilliers du St-Laurent
Les Fusilliers Mont-Royal
Le Regiment de la Chaudiere
Royal 22e Regiment
The Royal Canadian Hussars (Montreal)
The Sherbrooke Hussars
Les Voltiguerus de Québec

Ontario
7th Toronto Regiment, RCA
31 Combat Engineer Regiment (The Elgin’s)
56th Field Artillery Regiment, RCA
The Brockville Rifles
The Essex and Kent Scottish
The Hastings and Prince Edward Regiment
The Lincoln and Welland Regiment
The Princess of Wale’s Own Regiment
The Queen’s York Rangers, (1st American Regiment), RCAC
The Royal Canadian Regiment
The Royal Hamiliton Light Infantry
Stormont, Dundas and Glengarry Highlanders


Regiments linked to War of 1812 Fencible Units recruited in North America

Regiment
The Royal Newfoundland Regiment
The Halifax Rifles, RCAC
The Royal New Brunswick Regiment
Royal 22e Regiment
Stormont, Dundas and Glengarry Highlanders"


From the Prime Minister's web page ( http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php?action=post;topic=20165.0;last_msg=1144494)

"In commemoration of the War of 1812, the four Canadian Army regiments with links to the Battalion of Incorporated Militia of Upper Canada, which played a major role in the Battle of Lundy’s Lane, will now perpetuate the Battle Honour NIAGARA, originally granted to the Militia after the War of 1812. These Canadian Army regiments are the Lincoln and Welland Regiment, the Queen’s York Rangers, the Brockville Rifles and the Princess of Wales Own Regiment."
 
What does"perpetuate" mean? Does that mean "Niagara" will be emblazoned on colours, or what?

I guess we will have to wait and see.

Bill, will I get a chance to meet you at Ridgeway next Saturday?
 
Old Sweat said:
What does"perpetuate" mean?

I believe that they are using the meaning of "continuing uninterrupted", in other words having direct lineage back to the original units that fought in the battle.
 
ldSweat:--

Sorry, I will not be able to attend. I hope they ph a "Peoceedings"

Bill

Cupper

I'm not sure that DHH uses that definition, but I don't know.


bill
 
Bill Smy said:
Cupper

I'm not sure that DHH uses that definition, but I don't know.


bill

You could very well be right. I was just making a WAG, throwing in my :2c:

I wasn't sure that the other definition "to continue indefinitely or forever" fit the situation.
 
From A-AD-200-000/AG-000, The Honours, Flags and Heritage Structure of the Canadian Forces:

PERPETUATION

15.      Perpetuation is a unique Canadian system developed after the First World War to provide a formal means of preserving military operational honours and heritage for succeeding generations. It is government policy that disbanded units, which have gained an honour and/or distinction in the field, be perpetuated to preserve their memory. Disbanded units which have not gained an honour or distinction in the field shall not be perpetuated. Units perpetuated by disbanded units which are not eligible for perpetuation may, subject to the concurrence of the disbanded units' authorized or officially recognized association(s), be perpetuated by an extant unit.

16.      Perpetuation is a public declaration of a family inheritance from a distinguished Canadian ancestor, and entitles the perpetuating unit to the honours of its predecessor. Thus, although few Canadian regiments were mobilized as such for overseas service in the First World War, most have battle honours earned in the war.

Note the description speaks of preserving honours, but does not mention the granting of "lineage." One question based on this definition is who, on behalf of the 1812 units, was the "disbanded units' authorized or officially recognized association(s)"?

This is the same sort of politically driven initiative that "restored" the name of Cape Breton Highlanders but tidily ignored the fact of their amalgamation, leaving them as the de facto 2NSH(CB) under new trappings. Once the politicians start to drive the DHH bus for DND, all former precedents apparently go out the window.
 
I will be leaving home in a few hours to head down to Ridgeway for the conference on the 1866 Fenian Invasion of the Niagara Peninsula. If anyone can make it, there will be a walk over the battlefield at 0900 on 2 June followed by the dedication of a mural at the RCL in Ridgeway at 1200 and a conference/discussion in the arts centre 1300-1600. The event may or may not be well attended, however the Irish Ambassador apparently will be there. (The four of us who are speaking/moderating are planning to go drinking if no one shows up.)
 
Have fun.  I'll be in Baltimore for Fleet Week mid Jun.  I believe we'll be berthed near Ft McHenry of the Star Spangled Banner fame.  Not sure if they want us to do a re-enactment.  >:D
 
jollyjacktar said:
Have fun.  I'll be in Baltimore for Fleet Week mid Jun.  I believe we'll be berthed near Ft McHenry of the Star Spangled Banner fame.  Not sure if they want us to do a re-enactment.  >:D

Sure why not.Bombard a fort but cannot capture it.The limitations of naval power circa 1812. :)
The reason Americans feel they won the war was the defeat of the British Army at New Orleans.It doesnt matter that the war had been over prior to the battale being fought. ;D
 
tomahawk6 said:
Sure why not.Bombard a fort but cannot capture it.The limitations of naval power circa 1812. :)
The reason Americans feel they won the war was the defeat of the British Army at New Orleans.It doesnt matter that the war had been over prior to the battale being fought. ;D

Typical Americans. Cheat to win. ;D
 
jollyjacktar said:
Have fun.  I'll be in Baltimore for Fleet Week mid Jun.  I believe we'll be berthed near Ft McHenry of the Star Spangled Banner fame.  Not sure if they want us to do a re-enactment.  >:D

If you need some suggestions for sites to see / where to go in the DC area, let me know.
 
jollyjacktar said:
Have fun.  I'll be in Baltimore for Fleet Week mid Jun.  I believe we'll be berthed near Ft McHenry of the Star Spangled Banner fame.  Not sure if they want us to do a re-enactment.  >:D

Cool fun fact:  a descendant (can't remember if he was a son, grandson, nephew etc) of Francis Scott Key (poet who penned the "Star Spangled Banner") was a Southern Sympathizer and was imprisoned at Ft McHenry during the US Civil War.
 
Pusser said:
Cool fun fact:  a descendant (can't remember if he was a son, grandson, nephew etc) of Francis Scott Key (poet who penned the "Star Spangled Banner") was a Southern Sympathizer and was imprisoned at Ft McHenry during the US Civil War.

And in the conspiracy theory of the week, Alastain Sweeny, the author of Fire Along the Frontier: Great Battles of the War of 1812, has an oped piece in today's Ottawa Citizen speculatng that Sir George Prevost, the British commander in Canada, may have attempted to lose the war. It is, at least to me, a classic example how one can combine a train of circumstantial evidence with a combination of ineptitude and native stupidity on Prevost's part into evidence of treachery and treason.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/life/Part+Canada+almost+threw/6833464/story.html

Edit to add. A friend of mine and one of the real expert historians on the war has pointed out that:

Has it ever occurred to anyone that the War of 1812 officially started 100 years less 63 days before the Titanic was sunk.  If  you divide 63 by 12, the number of months in the calender, you get 12.6.  12 June was the birthday of Lt Charles Taylor, USN,  leader of Flight 19 which disappeared in the Bermuda Triangle on 5 December, 48 months less two days from the date of the attack on Pearl Harbor.

Furthermore, I just realized that the piece was published on 25 June, 2012 which is the 136th anniversary of the Battle of the Little Big Horn. George Armstrong Custer's home town was Monroe, Michigan and James Monroe was the president who took the US into the war. It's all a fiendishly clever plot.
 
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