The Khadr Thread

[jollyjacktar]

- Had he done those things as a Young Offender in Canada, he would be long free in Canada and we would not even know his name.

- Perspective, anyone?

8)

I don't think it's  8), in light of what he's done.  Had he done those things here, like waging war with grenades, I would hope he wouldn't have survived the incident.

 

[Good2Golf]

- Had he done those things as a Young Offender in Canada, he would be long free in Canada and we would not even know his name.

- Perspective, anyone?

8)

Respectfully, I hope you meant this tongue-in-cheek, as a comment on the Canadian Young Offender's Act, rather than implying that, his father's evil influence notwithstanding, Omar Khadr should not be held to account for throwing a grenade and killing a medic?

Regards,
G2G

 

[The Bread Guy]

The latest:

.... After a morning of arguments, Alberta Court of Appeal Justice Myra Bielby said, “I’m unable to render my decision right at this moment.” That means Khadr will stay in jail until at least 9:30 a.m. Thursday ....

 

[eharps]

Every moment he is not out walking the streets is a moment of justice in my books. Even if he does get bail, this is a small victory.

 

[Remius]

You are right, but if our young offender received an adult sentence, he or she can be named in the press.

There are other exceptions as well that would allow him to be named.  Most likely he would have been named in this type of situation as weird as it might be if it happened in Canada.

 

[PanaEng]

This situation saddens me greatly, thinking of Tabitha Speer and her young children Taryn and Tanner. 

Firm definition of 'child soldier' being 14 years of age or less notwithstanding, and Khadr having been 15 years of age at the time, those who could look at photos of Omar Khadr happily smiling and skipping through the streets of Peshawar holding several severed men's hands, or leaning over explosives helping assemble and IED, and continue to tell themselves that he was an innocent hi knew not what he was involved in, could excuse anybody of anything...

My heart goes out to his wife and children as well as his mates.
And I definitely don't hold any 'warm' feelings towards his family, cause, religion or any actions he has taken - in case some of you are inclined to accuse otherwise ;-)
However, (I have held this view from the beginning - and not let it taint my perspective by emotional reactions) the definition of "child soldier" is not as 'Firm' as you state:
http://www.child-soldiers.org/about_the_issues.php
and
https://childrenandarmedconflict.un.org/effects-of-conflict/six-grave-violations/child-soldiers/
as well as (the all popular wiki)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_use_of_children

Now, the event that brought all of this, regardless if he was a 'child soldier' or not, and correct me if I'm wrong, is not that much special as far as warfare is concerned; and, if he wasn't notorious for the fact that he had a high profile father and a loud, ungrateful-to-Canada family, he would have been detained locally and release to the Afghans and probably been out a few months afterwards (although his chances for a healthy recovery or survival would have been minimal). I could recap the sequence of events, including contradicting accounts but I'm sure you are all familiar with them; including the fact that there is no conclusive evidence that he threw the grenade other than his confession which could be said was under duress. Another interesting fact is that when he was found, he was kneeling, already wounded by grenades, facing away from the combat and was shot twice in the back.

Now, what would you have done if several dozen al-queda/taliban had surrounded your position and threaten to overrun it? would you have surrendered or gone out fighting?
what's good for the goose, is good for the gander.

 

[jollyjacktar]

Now, what would you have done if several dozen al-queda/taliban had surrounded your position and threaten to overrun it? would you have surrendered or gone out fighting?
what's good for the goose, is good for the gander.

If you want to take a chance of starring in the next jihadi snuff film, feel free.  I wouldn't and would take my chances at successfully fending them off.

 

[Rocky Mountains]

However, (I have held this view from the beginning - and not let it taint my perspective by emotional reactions) the definition of "child soldier" is not as 'Firm' as you state:
http://www.child-soldiers.org/about_the_issues.php
and
https://childrenandarmedconflict.un.org/effects-of-conflict/six-grave-violations/child-soldiers/
as well as (the all popular wiki)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_use_of_children

Seems pretty straight forward, in general.  If you volunteer, you can be a soldier at 15.  You cannot be conscripted until 18.  Regardless, Khadr was not a soldier.  He was a terrorist.  He wore no uniform and and represented no legit government.

 

[jollyjacktar]

:goodpost:  But don't let Romeo D. hear you...

 

[eharps]

It seems as though Khadr has been deemed a "low-moderate" risk. In my mind, if there is any possible threat that this upstanding citizen may do something like this AGAIN, shouldn't the fact that he has done this in the past come into play and at least deny him bail until a verdict is reached?

His crimes all being "alleged" of course.  :


A recent psychological assessment of convicted war criminal Omar Khadr, obtained by CBC News, found the young man poses a "low-moderate" risk to commit future violent crimes — as long as he stays away from "individuals or organizations involved in extremist or terrorist activities."

Source:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/omar-khadr-poses-low-moderate-risk-to-commit-future-crimes-psychological-report-1.3062957

 

[PanaEng]

If you want to take a chance of starring in the next jihadi snuff film, feel free.  I wouldn't and would take my chances at successfully fending them off.

exactly

 

[dapaterson]

Omar Khadr ca be rleased on bail, judge rules.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/omar-khadr-can-be-released-on-bail-court-rules-1.2362904

 

[eharps]

From the same article:

"I've screwed up in the past, and I'm worried it will haunt me," Khadr told the psychologist. "People will think I'm the same person as I was 12 or 13 years ago."

Is this an admission that his confession was true and not under duress? Oh well, doesn't matter now.  :facepalm:

 

[The Bread Guy]

Omar Khadr ca be rleased on bail, judge rules.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/omar-khadr-can-be-released-on-bail-court-rules-1.2362904

And here's his bail conditions, via the Toronto Star ....

Here are seven of the conditions he now faces:

• Must wear an electronic monitoring device.
• Must live with his lawyer Dennis Edney and wife Patricia in Edmonton.
• Must observe a nightly curfew from 10 p.m. to 7 a.m.
• Cannot leave Alberta without prior approval, except to visit Edneys’ vacation home in B.C.
• May only contact his family by telephone or video under Edneys’ supervision, and chat must be in English.
• May only have in-person visits with his family with prior approval from bail supervisor.
• Any Internet access will be restricted and must be monitored and supervised.

 

[Scoobie Newbie]

I hope he runs

 

[ModlrMike]

I hope he runs

Not exactly an option for him...  >

 

[Scoobie Newbie]

You think a tracker will stop him. Maybe if it was implanted in his hip.

 

[jollyjacktar]

Please...  he is going to be on his best behaviour for some time to come.  His minders and others will have him on a very short leash.  It's a done deal now at any rate.

 

[Scoobie Newbie]

$10 real money he's gone in under 365 days

 

[jollyjacktar]

I wouldn't want to take your money so easily. 

He's going to stick around and sue the shit out of the GoC and laugh all the way to the bank when he gets it too.