Scratch_043
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me tooBruce Monkhouse said:Quote,
Please excuse me while I go hug a tree. Then log it.
I'm stealing that one!!! ;D
Some People Should Be Deported....
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Anyone notice that only nine of their members believe so strongly in their cause that they listed their
e-mails on the site. That and the fact that they operate on their mommies computer tells me all I need to know about this group.
Now where did I put that chainsaw? Time to go and.... er hug me some trees. 8)
e-mails on the site. That and the fact that they operate on their mommies computer tells me all I need to know about this group.
Now where did I put that chainsaw? Time to go and.... er hug me some trees. 8)
Michael Dorosh
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48Highlander said:
LOL
I think maybe these are just some well-meaning but confused kids. A show of professional courtesy to them will, I agree, work much better than intimidation or swearing.
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I thought I would enclose the letter my wife sent to them.She grew up in a military familly and has supported me for 14 years.
Dear Sir,
I think your web site is based only on tree hugging reality. If you really want to see peace and humanity, you must first understand what the military is trying to do. If we do nothing but pick daisies and paint butterflies. It will not be long before these tyrants invade our country.The Canadian military is a Peace Keeping Military not the baby killers you seem to think. And maybe you haven't seen the news...we have crappy equipment, and poorly paid men and women who stand there in horrible weather and freeze, or sweat their ass off, all to make sure, you at home stay comfortable and warm and well fed, never worrying about if there is going to be an air raid. I can't believe that I stumbles across this web-site days before we thank our Vets, for their sacrifice and hard work, not to mention their lives, the lives of their brothers, fathers, cousins, and so on, I find this disturbing, granola head web site. I hope that you understand that the people who go to these countries and serve and wear our flag, do it so that people like you don't have to. They get up each morning and hope that they day will be a good one, where they don't have to see or smell death or destruction and hope it's all a bad dream, so that people like you don't have to. They look into the faces of small children and see the horror they see, and want to go home and hug their own, all so people like you don't have too. And here you campaign to get people to join your pathetic opinion, I hope you take this letter in consideration, and thank the vets, and I hope you go to Remembrance day on Thursday and shake hands with everyone you see wearing a uniform, because they are the ones that make the ultimate sacrifice not a couple of bucks like you, these people have hope and dreams of peace too, but they are doing something about it, and in the right manner, not like you. Of course I am part of that world, the one you campaign against, and I wouldn't change it for the world. and as far as I am concerned you can keep your money, I hope tithe government gives it to "save the snow" or some worthy cause like that.
Sleep well tonight sir, hug your children and have your coffee in the morning and grab your briefcase and go to work, and don't worry, nothing will happen to you on their watch....
Dear Sir,
I think your web site is based only on tree hugging reality. If you really want to see peace and humanity, you must first understand what the military is trying to do. If we do nothing but pick daisies and paint butterflies. It will not be long before these tyrants invade our country.The Canadian military is a Peace Keeping Military not the baby killers you seem to think. And maybe you haven't seen the news...we have crappy equipment, and poorly paid men and women who stand there in horrible weather and freeze, or sweat their ass off, all to make sure, you at home stay comfortable and warm and well fed, never worrying about if there is going to be an air raid. I can't believe that I stumbles across this web-site days before we thank our Vets, for their sacrifice and hard work, not to mention their lives, the lives of their brothers, fathers, cousins, and so on, I find this disturbing, granola head web site. I hope that you understand that the people who go to these countries and serve and wear our flag, do it so that people like you don't have to. They get up each morning and hope that they day will be a good one, where they don't have to see or smell death or destruction and hope it's all a bad dream, so that people like you don't have to. They look into the faces of small children and see the horror they see, and want to go home and hug their own, all so people like you don't have too. And here you campaign to get people to join your pathetic opinion, I hope you take this letter in consideration, and thank the vets, and I hope you go to Remembrance day on Thursday and shake hands with everyone you see wearing a uniform, because they are the ones that make the ultimate sacrifice not a couple of bucks like you, these people have hope and dreams of peace too, but they are doing something about it, and in the right manner, not like you. Of course I am part of that world, the one you campaign against, and I wouldn't change it for the world. and as far as I am concerned you can keep your money, I hope tithe government gives it to "save the snow" or some worthy cause like that.
Sleep well tonight sir, hug your children and have your coffee in the morning and grab your briefcase and go to work, and don't worry, nothing will happen to you on their watch....
Troopasaurus
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well the name in that email reply that 48Highlander recieved basicly much sums up the type of people.
"all the best, Jan Slakov"
So Slack-off eh.
"all the best, Jan Slakov"
So Slack-off eh.
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HollywoodHitman said:
Hey, trust me, I went through a few revisions. The first e-mail I typed up was a short rant about bullets moving faster than pickets, and hippies with bright clothing making excellent targets, which ended with me wishing him the same fate as Rachel Corrie. Before sending it, I went and had a smoke, and reminded myself that insults and profanity usualy make YOU look bad, and don't accomplish anything, so I removed all the swearing. Well, after that there was only about 10 words left on the page, so I decided to rewrite it and just try being nice instead. I'm sure I still came across as a bit of an a**hole (I DID call their beleifs "total nonsense"), but I'm only human
bitterbones said:
Actually, I'm pretty sure they just picked up the idea recently from a similar group in the US.
http://www.nwtrcc.org/what_is_wtr.htm
The idea's been around for a while in the US, but I doubt the Canadian version has existed for very long. The US chapter claims to have some 10,000 members....the Canadian probably has only the 9 whose e-mail addresses are listed on the site
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I get the impression this is a case of wrong placed intentions, maybee this poor lad had too much time in moms basement and saw an american website that peaked his interests but he wasnt well enough informed of the Canadian system and its beurocratic policies to make an informed opinion.As he stated, he has seen this forum and hopefully he does some more research to learn the error of his ways.I liken it to someone coming to army.ca and stating the Canadian military has never proved itself in battle.Chances are he would get quite the verbal **s kicking before being banned.I still think everyone should bombard him with emails to educate him of the error in his ways.
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now thats funny, poorly paid ?? ?? ?? ?? and we have better equipment than most armies ive seen as well
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Well, here's my second e-mail to him if anyone cares:
I'm glad you got the chance to check out the forums. I didn't expect you'd be interested in joining...as you can tell the forums deal mainly with military matters, and most civilians wouldn't understand a lot of the conversations. I just thought you might want to see what soldiers think of your ideas. The way I see it, listening to other peoples views on your opinions/beliefs is an important part to further developing those beliefs, especialy when their views happen to be diametricaly opposed to yours.
I don't think any of us have a serious problem with you or your organisation. We deffinitely don't see eye to eye, but every person within our nation has the right to his or her own beleifs. I do however feel obliged to point out several massive flaws in the material on your site.
Firstly, your belief that the "freedom of conscience and religion" gauranteed under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms somehow exempts you from paying the full amount of taxes owed. Yes, you have the right to do what your conscience and religion dictate. However, if those actions break the law, the charter cannot be used as a defence. For instance, Euthanasia is a crime commited mainly by those whose conscience will not allow them to stand by and watch a friend or relative suffer. It is still however illegal, and Robert Latimer is one Canadian who is paying the price for following his conscience and killing his disabled daughter. Obviously, refusing to pay a portion of your taxes is nowhere near as serious, however, it is still a crime, and the Charter will not and should not protect you from prosecution.
Secondly, your belief that a percentage of "your taxes" is being spent to fund the military. That's a false assertion. When you pay your taxes, they get pooled with everyone elses taxes across the country. The funding for the military is then assigned out of that collective fund. I'm sure you already know that, however you obviously haven't considered the implications of claiming that you are somehow responsible for what gets done with that money. I'll illustrate one problem behind that theory with an example:
Let's say you rent a basement appartment in a house and you pay your monthly rent to the owner. You know that the owner is an alcoholic who uses the majority of that money to get drunk, after which he beats his wife. Is the best solution to that situation to simply stop paying your rent? Hardly. All that will accomplish is to get you kicked out, after which someone else will move in and the problem will continue.
So logicaly:
Let's assume that allowing you to specify that none of your tax money be used for military purposes does not create a bunch of special interest groups demanding similar privilidges. What actual effect do you think you will have? Military funding will not be affected. The only difference is that you could say to yourself that you now have a "clear conscience". You'd be lying to yourself. If you truly beleive that something is wrong, then the ONLY way for your conscience to be clear is to work towards stopping the injustice you see. Simply saying that you refuse to encourage or support it is not enough.
And lastly, what changes would you expect the government to make if they took you seriously? How could anyone gaurantee that YOUR taxes aren't being used for military purposes? Since all taxes go to a collective fund, how can anyone gaurantee that your taxes will go to one place or another? If in fact all you're looking for is someone to tell you that your taxes aren't going to the military, I can do that for you right now. They're not. The ammount that you would normally pay towards the military can now go to a public service of your choice. In return, the same ammount that I would normally pay towards that service is now going towards the military instead, on top of what I would normaly pay. Is your conscience clear yet?
I could go on for a while longer but this e-mail is already much longer than I intended. I look forward to hearing back from you, and hopefuly getting some answer to the questions I posed.
I'm glad you got the chance to check out the forums. I didn't expect you'd be interested in joining...as you can tell the forums deal mainly with military matters, and most civilians wouldn't understand a lot of the conversations. I just thought you might want to see what soldiers think of your ideas. The way I see it, listening to other peoples views on your opinions/beliefs is an important part to further developing those beliefs, especialy when their views happen to be diametricaly opposed to yours.
I don't think any of us have a serious problem with you or your organisation. We deffinitely don't see eye to eye, but every person within our nation has the right to his or her own beleifs. I do however feel obliged to point out several massive flaws in the material on your site.
Firstly, your belief that the "freedom of conscience and religion" gauranteed under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms somehow exempts you from paying the full amount of taxes owed. Yes, you have the right to do what your conscience and religion dictate. However, if those actions break the law, the charter cannot be used as a defence. For instance, Euthanasia is a crime commited mainly by those whose conscience will not allow them to stand by and watch a friend or relative suffer. It is still however illegal, and Robert Latimer is one Canadian who is paying the price for following his conscience and killing his disabled daughter. Obviously, refusing to pay a portion of your taxes is nowhere near as serious, however, it is still a crime, and the Charter will not and should not protect you from prosecution.
Secondly, your belief that a percentage of "your taxes" is being spent to fund the military. That's a false assertion. When you pay your taxes, they get pooled with everyone elses taxes across the country. The funding for the military is then assigned out of that collective fund. I'm sure you already know that, however you obviously haven't considered the implications of claiming that you are somehow responsible for what gets done with that money. I'll illustrate one problem behind that theory with an example:
Let's say you rent a basement appartment in a house and you pay your monthly rent to the owner. You know that the owner is an alcoholic who uses the majority of that money to get drunk, after which he beats his wife. Is the best solution to that situation to simply stop paying your rent? Hardly. All that will accomplish is to get you kicked out, after which someone else will move in and the problem will continue.
So logicaly:
Let's assume that allowing you to specify that none of your tax money be used for military purposes does not create a bunch of special interest groups demanding similar privilidges. What actual effect do you think you will have? Military funding will not be affected. The only difference is that you could say to yourself that you now have a "clear conscience". You'd be lying to yourself. If you truly beleive that something is wrong, then the ONLY way for your conscience to be clear is to work towards stopping the injustice you see. Simply saying that you refuse to encourage or support it is not enough.
And lastly, what changes would you expect the government to make if they took you seriously? How could anyone gaurantee that YOUR taxes aren't being used for military purposes? Since all taxes go to a collective fund, how can anyone gaurantee that your taxes will go to one place or another? If in fact all you're looking for is someone to tell you that your taxes aren't going to the military, I can do that for you right now. They're not. The ammount that you would normally pay towards the military can now go to a public service of your choice. In return, the same ammount that I would normally pay towards that service is now going towards the military instead, on top of what I would normaly pay. Is your conscience clear yet?
I could go on for a while longer but this e-mail is already much longer than I intended. I look forward to hearing back from you, and hopefuly getting some answer to the questions I posed.
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Folks:
I caution everyone to make sure you frame your e-mails as individual and personal, vs. representing a group (E.G. the CF or Army.ca). Though I don't agree with the premise of COMT either, I'd hate to see your e-mails misconstrued as an official response on the part of the CF or even "all of us here."
I also doubt that arguing the point with them is going to be highly effective. They likely hold their beliefs as strongly as you hold yours. (Consider your reaction if they found your posts here and started emailing you out of the blue in an attempt to change your mind to their way of thinking.)
Don't mistake this for defending them, but I think some of the illogical personal attacks in this thread don't do much for our credibility.
Freedom means not everyone has to think like you.
Cheers
Mike
I caution everyone to make sure you frame your e-mails as individual and personal, vs. representing a group (E.G. the CF or Army.ca). Though I don't agree with the premise of COMT either, I'd hate to see your e-mails misconstrued as an official response on the part of the CF or even "all of us here."
I also doubt that arguing the point with them is going to be highly effective. They likely hold their beliefs as strongly as you hold yours. (Consider your reaction if they found your posts here and started emailing you out of the blue in an attempt to change your mind to their way of thinking.)
Don't mistake this for defending them, but I think some of the illogical personal attacks in this thread don't do much for our credibility.
Freedom means not everyone has to think like you.
Cheers
Mike
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I find it humerous that they are using a java applet saying the price of the Iraq war. Which a. is wrong, and b. has nothing to do with the Canadian Forces. The very much so need to re think their thoughts, but more importanly their actions. When i get home, and am not on a DND computer, i am thinking of sending shaw a nice email pointing out WHY the site is illegal, and by that point is not allowed on their server.
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It all makes sense to me now.. If The Canadian and US militaries had not been funded, there would not have been any killing in the former Yugoslavia, Rwanda, Somalia, the Taliban would have laid down their arms and Saddam would never have gassed the Kurds... Kim Il wouldn't have been that bad to the S. Koreans, would he? Going back in History, Hitler would have stopped the wholesale slaughter of those he deamed inferior, and would have retrated peacefully back to Germany.
Wow. I can't realise I never saw it that way before.
Wow. I can't realise I never saw it that way before.
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48Highlander said:
As I mentioned earlier, I was lost for words, I think you have expressed my thoughts and sentiments exactly in your Email to these people.
I think that it nicely expresses and explains the thoughts of many of the members of this Forum, again well done.
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SHELLDRAKE!! said:If anyone is interested I will be starting a fund at the Royal Bank to provide these intelligent Canadians with the airfare required to get them to Iraq where they will, im sure be able to convince local insurgents that we can all live in peace and harmony.After all as they have pointed out, the money wasted on the military can be spent best elsewhere and whats an extra 60,000 people out of work as long as they can sleep at night.
Isn't the Sudan closer? you'll be able to send more of them then....... ;D Just don't send them here to the US
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Bruce Monkhouse said:Quote,
Please excuse me while I go hug a tree. Then log it.
I'm stealing that one!!! ;D
"Earth First! we'll log the rest of the planets later"
I had a "discussion" with one of the peaceniks that are thick here in Eugene, he started to talk crap about my beloved Marine Corps,
I quickly asked him what branch of the service he'd served in..... his answer was "I've never been in the military"
I then added that unless his desire was to find out what it was like to pick up his teeth off the ground with broken fingers he should shut up or join up and then we'd further discuss his military knownledge and opinions.
I'm always eeasily amused by those who enjoy the freedoms they feel they have no need or desire to pay for.
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Kirkpatrick said:To see more of their great logic, read their FAQs...
I'm sure THAT would prevent ethnic cleansing/holocausts :
"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest."
-Mahatma Gandhi, Gandhi, An Autobiography
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pappy said:
Actually think you guys have some prime realestate in NJ that would be perfect for these geniuses.....close to a school to :skull:
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how about some islands off the northern coast of Canada above the arctic circle..... then when they say it's cold here as they get off the plane hand them some Canadian Army Parkas, and then say "opps you can't give you these, you never paid for them"......
Please don't send them here, we have enough of these types here in the US, I'm afraid we here in the US are a bad influence on your Canadian youth, your kids can't play with ours anymore..... sorry :dontpanic:
Please don't send them here, we have enough of these types here in the US, I'm afraid we here in the US are a bad influence on your Canadian youth, your kids can't play with ours anymore..... sorry :dontpanic:
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Don't worry. Not only will we not SEND you any people like that....every time you go fight a war, more of those a**holes come up here! We should be begging YOU to keep them THERE, not the other way around
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Yeah, the Danish resistance liberated Holland from the goddamn German's, it was all just one big lie that Canadian troops happened to go into Holland and liberte the people there. The Dutch were able to get rid of the nazi's by throwing flowers at them, and smoking a bunch of dope with them. Sometimes non-violence has worked in some certain situations. But when your dealing with a goddamn psycho like Hitler than the only way to stop him is by use of military force.
Why don't we give these hippies the addresses of veterans, and send them to their houses to tell them how world war 2 was'nt necessary, and that they did'nt contribute to stopping Hitler. Maybe if they actually lived through some conflicts they would understand the need for the military to protect our freedoms.
I think we should send all of the hippies to Cuba, I think they'd like the "socialist" paradise there.
Why don't we give these hippies the addresses of veterans, and send them to their houses to tell them how world war 2 was'nt necessary, and that they did'nt contribute to stopping Hitler. Maybe if they actually lived through some conflicts they would understand the need for the military to protect our freedoms.
I think we should send all of the hippies to Cuba, I think they'd like the "socialist" paradise there.
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