Pushups- Try Reading Here First- Merged Thread

[Fry]

I was referring to the entrance physical, yes.


As for bmq, it's almost certain that I'll do way more than 19, but for the entrance test, I was informed that the only thing recorded was the fact that I achieved minimum standards.

 

[NavComm]

I was referring to the entrance physical, yes.


As for bmq, it's almost certain that I'll do way more than 19, but for the entrance test, I was informed that the only thing recorded was the fact that I achieved minimum standards.

On my entrance test they recorded that I did 17, I only required 7. So I guess different places do it differently. Kind of sucks that you weren't allowed to do your maximum, but rest assured you will be allowed to do it at bmq.

 

[Fry]

yeah... well I'm not so sure that I wasn't allowed to do it or not, but I just walked in, and when I did my fitness test, I asked the lady how many pushups I'd need to do, she told me 19 is all that's required, there's no need to do more. I was also real hungry that morning, the B&B that I was put up in, didn't serve breakfast until 7:30am, meanwhile I had to be at the CFRC at 8:00am. But I got through it, thank God.

 

[Island Ryhno]

Fry, you should have taken along some fish cakes, that would have given you a boost. The CFRC at St.John's is...ummm different lets say. When I did my testing, the lady rushed me along as they had taken the wrong person in for the fitness test in my slot, hence the good Capt was waiting for me to do my interview. So I did the bare min on the situps and did about 30 push ups before she made me stop and told me to go to the interview. Sweaty and all. God bless em.

 

[Fry]

Haha, same here Island Ryhno,

CFAT first, then I did my physical, then my medical, then my interview, all in the span of 2.5 hours. Physical first isn't always a good thing, lol.

 

[tang72]

the worst is the medical being last, like what happened to me. i passed everything and i even received my number and all. then the medical at the end where they sent my med issue to borden. I missed my summer course because of this and not even that, i received a letter saying i need a note form a specialist which is booked till Nov. try that!! 

 

[Gunner_Pyza]

I have a question about pushups.  During the physical test you perform tricep pushups.  During BMQ I believe you do two physical tests one at the beginning and one at the end, will they be tricep pushups?  And will tricep pushups be performed throughout the 10 weeks of training.  Or do you perform...well the usual pushup.  Or is it based on what the instructors want?

 

[D-n-A]

For the PT Test an every PT test I've done in the army, we did normal push ups(hands under your shoulders). I've done other types of push ups(wide, tricep, etc) as part of PT for courses though.

 

[NavComm]

I have a question about pushups.  During the physical test you perform tricep pushups.  During BMQ I believe you do two physical tests one at the beginning and one at the end, will they be tricep pushups?  And will tricep pushups be performed throughout the 10 weeks of training.  Or do you perform...well the usual pushup.  Or is it based on what the instructors want?

My experience is much the same as Mike's. The express test involved tricep pushups. However, during pt -  if they even bothered with upper body strength excercises -  it was stuff like doing pushups on a medicine ball, then there was the time we swam lengths, got out of the pool did a bunch of any style pushups until your partner swam their lengths, then there was the time because we didn't get outside fast enough they made us get down on the burning hot pavement and do pushups (I had the blisters to prove it was bloody hot out)...so you should just do pushups in your barrack every day to keep in shape. Don't rely on pt staff to give a crap if you can do them properly unless they are testing you.

We didn't have two pt tests either, just one in week 2, and for those that didn't pass that one, there was a re-test in week 6.

 

[dan-o-mac]

Any bench pressing or shoulder exercises will prepare/strengthen your muscles for push-ups, but will not help you do more of them considering the forms of the exercise.

ie. I'm 165 lbs and can flat bench press 135 lbs for reps of 25+ (you figure its almost the same as a reverse push-up right ...) but when I first started to do push-ups couldn't do more than 10-15. Then, eventually with practice (3 times a week) I can do well over 30+ now easy.

Your best bet is to simply do more than the required push-ups you need to pass PT and you'll find yourself enjoy doing push-ups once you get used to them and weight training will definitely help keep you fit !!

Just my $0.02

Dan 

 

[Island Ryhno]

Pushups you can to do to get better at pushups,

Wide base - arms way outside your shoulders
Narrow base - hands together like a diamond or triangle close underneath your body
Regular base - hands at shoulder width
Stability - pushup position of any of the above, except your hands are on the stability ball
Inverted Pushups - Any of the above positions, except your feet are elevated and placed on a solid object
Inverted Wobble board pushups - Feet elevated, hands on a wobble board ( the toughest exercise known to mankind  > )

Also you should do with weights,

chest - incline, decline and flat bench press
Arms - Biceps - Hammer Curls, incline dumbbell curls Triceps - Tricep Dips, Tricep extensions
Back - Seated Row, Bent over row
Shoulders - Military press, Side Flys

Get pushing.

 

[NavComm]

Pushups are the bane of my existance. In my experience the best way to get better at doing pushups is to do pushups, as others have said.

If you stop doing them, your ability to do them drops dramatically. You need core strength as well as tricep strength to do pushups. Weight training is good for both, but as far as pushup form goes, you have to do the pushups to get that right.

IMHO

 

[Island Ryhno]

Please don't give poor advice to the kid. If you want to get stronger (and you need to get stronger to do more pushups) then lift weights. There is not enough resistance from pushups alone to make you stronger, yeah you may get ok at pushups, that will not help shit when you need to pull yourself up a wall. It certainly will not mean anything if you have to drag your 185lb buddy out of the shit if he/she is severly injured. People have trouble with pushups because they are not strong, simple. You want to get strong, lift weights and add in some pushups.

 

[Jaxson]

i believe he was referring to (i may be wrong) when you said     "i didn't think that working out my arm/chest muscles really helped, "   which i have to agree with him on as poor advice, while doing push ups will help you develop proper form and it will help you steadily increase the number of pushups you do, working the triceps, shoulders, chest (did i miss any key muscles?) will give you that extra strength which might give you the ability to do an extra 5 the first night, an extra 6 the next night and so on. I also believe that strong Abs which will help you keep your body straight and supported are also helpful when doing pushups but not absolutely essential for push ups, but i can only imagine what a good core will help you with in basic.     Anyone have anything to add to or correct the above statement?

edited to add, i was typing this while rhyno posted his and i didnt recheck for newer posts.

 

[Island Ryhno]

Back & Abs

 

[NavComm]

I just re-read my post and maybe I wasn't too clear. I do think that weight training is essential for strength. And of course it will help build up the muscles you need for pushups. I just think that proper pushup form is developed by doing the pushups.

I know I have a lot to work on in this area. I knew it before I went to bmq. I managed through everything at bmq except the pushups. When I get recoursed I know I will be much stronger because I'm committed to making sure that happens.

Weight training is one element of what you need to be in top shape. Does it improve your ability to do pushups in the correct form? Probably not. Does it build up strength? Absolutely. Should you do it? YES, but not to the exclusion of a good all round training program.

That's my $.02

 

[Jaxson]

"I know I have a lot to work on in this area. I knew it before I went to bmq. I managed through everything at bmq except the pushups. When I get recoursed I know I will be much stronger because I'm committed to making sure that happens."


Now you have to be sh***ing me? are you telling me because you failed in pushups you failed BMQ completly? and when you say recoursed so what do you do, just sit around until the next BMQ happens or could you be sitting around for a long while?

 

[NavComm]

"I know I have a lot to work on in this area. I knew it before I went to bmq. I managed through everything at bmq except the pushups. When I get recoursed I know I will be much stronger because I'm committed to making sure that happens."


Now you have to be sh***ing me? are you telling me because you failed in pushups you failed BMQ completly? and when you say recoursed so what do you do, just sit around until the next BMQ happens or could you be sitting around for a long while?

Yes and so did 8 other people. Week 6 sent home. I was told that they don't do that in the army bmq because you passed the express test to get in (as did I - with 17 pushups) but when retested at bmq, the civvie testers only counted 2 of my pushups so I was sent home.

I will be recoursed in January and in the meantime my unit will put me on a training regime to make sure I pass that test.

 

[paracowboy]

Now you have to be sh***ing me? are you telling me because you failed in pushups you failed BMQ completly? and when you say recoursed so what do you do, just sit around until the next BMQ happens or could you be sitting around for a long while?

what did you think? That the minimum standards were a "good idea" or a "suggestion"? Why do you think I spend so much friggin' time tyopin this shit out? Why do you think I keep harping on the same damn subjects over and over? It's not for my benefit!

 

[Jaxson]

well i knew if you couldnt do it they would cut you, let me rephrase, i mean dont they give a second chance to prove yourself maybe a week later. and para dont get me wrong i do appreciate and pay attention to what you write that i come across in the threads i find.


edit: found the answer about the second chance part in another part of the forum