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aussiechangover

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I've been approached by a member here and they were informed that they are going to have to re-emburse almost there whole pay for a delay in submitting forms for the LTA. I was wondering as i've found a reference that requires extra cash to returned no later than 15 days but the thing i'm having difficulties is locating exactly how much money can be reclaimed from their pay. Keeping in mind this is a young Pte and there taking there whole pay i'd like to see them either just return the outstanding amount and have it cleared, or pay a small portion. I believe somewhere i've read it couldn't be more than 25% but i'm probably mistaken.

any help with this would be greatly appreciated.
 
If a member owes monies to the crown it will usually be recovered all at once.  If this is going to cause the member financial difficulties then it is the member's responsibility to inform his chain of command via memo.  If the CoC concurs with the members request then the monies may be recovered over a period of up to six months.
 
thanks for the reply thats what I passed to them prior to reading I managed to find a CFAO that states that.
 
Careful here.  The regulation is that overpayments can be recovered over a six month period, BUT not at a rate less than the period it was overpaid.  An LTA advance is usually given all at once; therefore, the recovery of an overpayment is normally all at once.  However, I'm curious as to how an over-advance of LTA could put a member in dire straits.  Unless he/she drew the advance, didn't take the trip and then spent the money (in which case the sympathy factor is very low), there is no way he/she should have been given that much money in the first place.

Having said all that, the member can still bring it up to the CoC and something can probably be done.  Making personnel destitute is counterproductive.

Now to relate an amusing story (at least to me - not to the member it happened to).  Years ago, there was a young sailor who was not the sharpest knife in the drawer who owed money to just about everybody in the dockyard.  Around Christmas time he decided to go home on LTA.  This was a guy who grew up in Nfld and all his documentation said he was a Newfoundlander.  However, come time for him to draw his LTA advance, his mother had suddenly moved to Edmonton.  Apparently, his parents had spit up and his mother had gone to Edmonton to live with his brother.  After explaining the rules, I gave him the advance he needed to get to Edmonton.

After Christmas, I asked him for his receipts and stamped leave pass.  He'd forgotten them at home.  The next day, I asked again.  Apparently his roommate had cleaned up his apartment and he couldn't find them.  The next day the Chief Clerk called his mother - in Newfoundland!  She had never moved to Edmonton and in fact was still married and living with the sailor's father.  He had never been to Edmonton.  I immediately recovered the money from his pay (had to cancel some allotments to do it as well).  Money wasn't a big problem for him after that.  He got his trip to Edmonton- all expenses paid, with an escort and shiny new bracelets. ;D
 
SGT-RMSCLK said:
... then the monies may be recovered over a period of up to six months.

There is also an option to have it paid back over the duration that it was overpaid, but I don't think that's relevant here because it seems to be a one-shot deal.

Fore future reference, if someone is overpaid $100/mo for two years, they would not be forced to pay back $2,400 at once but at that same $100/mo until it is paid back (if the member chooses to do it that way due to financial hardship).
 
Petamocto said:
There is also an option to have it paid back over the duration that it was overpaid, but I don't think that's relevant here because it seems to be a one-shot deal.

Fore future reference, if someone is overpaid $100/mo for two years, they would not be forced to pay back $2,400 at once but at that same $100/mo until it is paid back (if the member chooses to do it that way due to financial hardship).

That sounds reasonable, but not necessarily true as regulations state that it is the the members responsibility to know what his current pay and allowance entitlements are.  Therefore if he was being overpaid for two years, then he is just as accountable for the error as the clerk who made the mistake; and can have that money recovered in one lump sum.

However, I think the system would cut the guy some slack in this case and recover over a longer period of time.
 
SGT-RMSCLK said:
That sounds reasonable, but not necessarily true...

I am not doubting your expertise in the field, but I only know this rule because I searched for it (and found it) for a specific case.

Not at work right now but I'll post the official reference for it next week.
 
have managed to get more info and basically it comes down to that the member should go see the clerks here at the station. I was informed that all receipts had been submitted and that they owed about $200 but as they were on course and someone told them that they would reclaim all the money at one time they went into a flat spin, so it looks like something somewhere isn't totally right but i'm sure will work out in the long term providing they follow up on things.

The advice has been fantastic and cleared up a few things I didn't know
 
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