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Opportunity to update the CC-150 fleet?

CBH99

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Japan very much has a military. A very robust and capable one, at that.

As per their Constitution, it is limited to self defence roles. The constitution was heavily influenced by WW2, as it was written shortly after I believe.

So while the Japanese gear their military for defensive operations, make no mistake - they absolutely have a military. And one that is slowly having its leash loosened up a bit as China does its thing.


(Upgraded F-15s, F-35s, extremely capable naval ships & submarines, Aegis equipped ships, etc etc)
 

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Canada bought used F-18s from Australia that need major upgrades, it’s just what we do. Plus the larger engines on the 737Max just looks bad-ass. Since optics are the #1 priority with anything we do, it’d be a great fit.
The sad part is, we don’t even shoot for good optics anymore.

Spending over $1 Billion to buy those Aussie Hornets, to supplement our own aging fleet... when they are just as old, and less upgrades that ours??

They don’t even try to spin good optics anymore. They just delay any sort of useful decision making, avoid leadership, then make the cheapest or dumbest decision presented to them.


All that money spent to acquire used airframes, less upgrades than ours.... only to have the upgrades and testing finish right around the same time we sign a contract for the replacement. 🤦🏼‍♂️

If nothing else, at least we’ll have some spare parts to keep the fleet going...

(Wouldn’t that money have been better spent towards the fighter replacement portfolio? Since that money didn’t come out of the fighter portfolio, couldn’t it have been used for the tanker replacement? Or set aside, invested at decent interest rate, then used towards sub replacement or just topping up any projects that need it? We could have used that money in a million better ways... 🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️😢)
 

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It's not a bad investment if the Liberal Brain Trust has a plan to dishonestly delay the spending on the replacement aircraft for as long as humanly possible....

Even moreso than the CSC, I can see this program getting shelved. The only reason it likely wasn't delayed previously was because Justin was fearful of reprisals by Trump. So bought time and fiddled whilebtrying to kick the can down the road to a Democratic Administration. Now that Biden is in office, I would bet he's sounding out a fighter program delay in exchange for a greater "climate change" action plan.
 

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Replacing the CC-150 fleet makes a more compelling business case than just about any RCAF investment - cost avoidance for strat lift; fuel savings; reduced greenhouse emissions from more modern and fuel efficient engines; contracted support supporting jobs in Canada; acquisition supporting aerospace industry in Canada; any infra buildout to support the fleet that's needed... If anything, I could see this purchase being accelerated.
 

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It's not a bad investment if the Liberal Brain Trust has a plan to dishonestly delay the spending on the replacement aircraft for as long as humanly possible....

Even moreso than the CSC, I can see this program getting shelved. The only reason it likely wasn't delayed previously was because Justin was fearful of reprisals by Trump. So bought time and fiddled whilebtrying to kick the can down the road to a Democratic Administration. Now that Biden is in office, I would bet he's sounding out a fighter program delay in exchange for a greater "climate change" action plan.
Given early hints the new administration will stay the course on China, we still may have a pacific shift of our forces as well. It depends how much pressure they put on us. But given our emphasis on being a medium force, if we want to be a player in NATO, We need force projection, without supply ships, escorts, aerial refuelers, and troop transports we can't go far.
 

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It's not a bad investment if the Liberal Brain Trust has a plan to dishonestly delay the spending on the replacement aircraft for as long as humanly possible....

Even moreso than the CSC, I can see this program getting shelved. The only reason it likely wasn't delayed previously was because Justin was fearful of reprisals by Trump. So bought time and fiddled whilebtrying to kick the can down the road to a Democratic Administration. Now that Biden is in office, I would bet he's sounding out a fighter program delay in exchange for a greater "climate change" action plan.
Have we not yet hit the timeframe of 'delayed as long as humanly possible' yet? :confused:
 

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This is the only one we want, we don’t care how much it costs. Now how much do you want? Just take my money.
 

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Interesting airbus is the only qualified supplier
With all of the problems the USAF is having with the KC-46, I can't imagine it would qualify as it stands right now. Besides, this is the one we really want anyway - not just as a refueller, but as a troop transport also.

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There are ~4 companies and they have more work than they can handle. We’re not exactly the easiest outfit to contract with.
 

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Guessing that in the water and doing the job (Asterix) beats still plate metal ashore (JSS).

And plenty of purchase contracts have gone sideways (MHP, for example).
 

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Guessing that in the water and doing the job (Asterix) beats still plate metal ashore (JSS).

And plenty of purchase contracts have gone sideways (MHP, for example).
My point is: I have had my fill of contractors that promise the moon, the stars and the sky, but deliver... a lot less than that.
 

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Here's a question: Why not follow the UK lead and contract out the service?

Omega and the like are great to work with for transits and exercices. I’d be curious to see how it’d work out when the mission commander, during actual operations, orders them over a contested piece of airspace.

You lose a lot of operational flexibility when you contract assets that could potentially be used overseas. Furthermore, AAR is a great way for Canada to contribute to a kinetic operation without actually dropping bombs. And every operations involving a decent amount of air has been short of tankers. Canada, being a contributor to warfare, needs those softer capabilities to tailor its contribution while still contributing something useful.
 

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There are ~4 companies and they have more work than they can handle. We’re not exactly the easiest outfit to contract with.

I know... I gave up on the Feds a few years ago when the pre-qualification requirements, to run a few team building workshops for staff, seemed to be derived from the processes required to vet to COSMIC TOP SECRET ATOMAL. Although we followed all the rules and submitted on time, we didn't hear anything for months, and then found out by accident that we hadn't been qualified, even though we had previously been pre-qualified through the same instrument for several years.

No matter, my (very patient) client figured out how to sole source us.

But we won't be back. :)
 
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