On 1 Cdn Div, a CFJHQ (from: Mortars)

[Ostrozac]

It'd be like commanding a division that didn't have any brigades... that's crazy..... oh, wait, we do that

The Brits and the Americans are doing that too. Divisional Headquarters without formations assigned. It doesn't mean it's a good idea, but the fact that they are doing it is probably a big reason why we are, too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6th_Infantry_Division_(United_Kingdom)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7th_Infantry_Division_(United_States)

Edited because I see that the Brits have now abandoned the 6 Division project - and I should note that. But my point remains -- this isn't an invented in Canada thing.

 

[Journeyman]

The Brits and the Americans are doing that too. Divisional Headquarters without formations assigned. It doesn't mean it's a good idea, but the fact that they are doing it is probably a big reason why we are, too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6th_Infantry_Division_(United_Kingdom)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7th_Infantry_Division_(United_States)

Edited because I see that the Brits have now abandoned the 6 Division project - and I should note that. But my point remains -- this isn't an invented in Canada thing.

OK first off, as you noted, the Brits abandoned the 6th Inf Div as a dumb idea.

As for the US 7th Div, well, according to your Wiki source, "On 26 April 2012, the Department of Defense announced the 7th Infantry Division headquarters would be reactivated as an administrative unit. This was done on 10 October 2012." Gee, three weeks ago. Maybe it's "an invented in Canada thing" after all -- doesn't make it any less dopey.

Nonetheless, the Americans can afford to play with Div HQs, since they have eight Armies, four Army Corps, ten regular Divisions and ten Reserve/National Guard Divisions.....plus a stack of independent Brigades and Regiments -- we have three RegF Brigades.

Your logic is a tad weak; there's no indication that we're "doing this" because the US or UK looked at it.


I now return you to your MORTAR thread.

 

[Infanteer]

OK first off, as you noted, the Brits abandoned the 6th Inf Div as a dumb idea.

As for the US 7th Div, well, according to your Wiki source, "On 26 April 2012, the Department of Defense announced the 7th Infantry Division headquarters would be reactivated as an administrative unit. This was done on 10 October 2012." Gee, three weeks ago. Maybe it's "an invented in Canada thing" after all -- doesn't make it any less dopey.

Nonetheless, the Americans can afford to play with Div HQs, since they have eight Armies, four Army Corps, ten regular Divisions and ten Reserve/National Guard Divisions.....plus a stack of independent Brigades and Regiments -- we have three RegF Brigades.

The Brits never abandoned 6th Div because it was a dumb idea - it was stated from the very start that 6 Div was a temporary organization to address the requirement to Command RC(S).  Worked rather well, IIRC, as RC(S) was more than just the usual mailbox while MGen Carter was in charge.

The usual makeup of a Division is three subordinate brigades, and we have three big ones, so we seem to meet the requirement to "play with a Div HQ".  The real problem is that our "Division" suffers from poor, confusing branding; we took a Joint HQ, renamed it 1 Can Div and sent it to the Army, and then spent countless hours of staff work to remake it into a Joint HQ (but with the poor naming convention that will keep from ever commanding a naval task force).

The Aussies also have a 1 Div stood up as a ready joint HQ.  The Marines do this as well, and have been doing it for decades.  There is precedence in this being a viable concept.