No delivery to CFB Esquimalt

[Jaydub]

Okay, maybe I'm being a little over sensitive here...

I'm sitting on a night watch at CFB Esquimalt. We decided to order Pizza and called Sarpino's in Victoria (Douglas Street).  We enquired about having it delivered to the dockyard gate where someone would be waiting to pay them.  They said that they don't deliver to the base because someone had once spit in the driver's face.  They didn't give us that particulars, but my guess it was probably some drunk in Nelle's block.  But, whatever the reason, this just doesn't seem right to me.  Would they have the same policy with the University, an Apartment building, or any other location where any other individual may have spit on the driver?

This happened about an hour ago.  I've been sitting here thinking about it and decided to say something.  Please share what thoughts you may have about this.  Maybe I am overreacting a little, but deciding where to order Pizza in the future just got a little easier for me...

 

[Roy Harding]

Okay, maybe I'm being a little over sensitive here...

I'm sitting on a night watch at CFB Esquimalt. We decided to order Pizza and called Sarpino's in Victoria (Douglas Street).  We enquired about having it delivered to the dockyard gate where someone would be waiting to pay them.  They said that they don't deliver to the base because someone had once spit in the driver's face.  They didn't give us that particulars, but my guess it was probably some drunk in Nelle's block.  But, whatever the reason, this just doesn't seem right to me.  Would they have the same policy with the University, an Apartment building, or any other location where any other individual may have spit on the driver?

This happened about an hour ago.  I've been sitting here thinking about it and decided to say something.  Please share what thoughts you may have about this.  Maybe I am overreacting a little, but deciding where to order Pizza in the future just got a little easier for me...

You're over-reacting.

Over 20 years ago, I delivered pizza for a short time - there were certain apartment blocks (in the University of Calgary area) that we didn't deliver to - period.  My youngest son delivered pizza while he was in University - we lived in a small town (Fort Saskatchewan if anybody knows it) - there were certain apartment blocks and townhouse complexes that they didn't deliver to, period.

Look at it from the store owner's (or manager's) perspective - would YOU require YOUR people to deliver pizza to someplace that has a history of abusing them?  (These are pizza guys, for pete's sake - they aren't military or LEOs, who are EXPECTED to "deliver", despite whatever "abuse" they may encounter).

Get over it - it's a pain in the butt, and a disappointment - and you can thank your fellows (civilian or military) who spit on the poor kid at the dockyard gate.


Roy

Edit:  Typos

Edit Again:  I keep reading about "Nelles Block".  I'm not familiar with it at all.  But it occurs to me - why aren't you guys getting a bloody grip on this place, instead of ordering pizza while you're "sitting on night watch"?  Just a thought.

 

[284_226]

Roy - Nelles Block is the SQ in Esquimalt for students (but not living-in members), roughly equivalent to A Block in Halifax or the Spider Hut in Trenton.

Nelles, like A Block, has the unofficial nickname of "The House of Slamming Doors".

 

[Roy Harding]

Roy - Nelles Block is the SQ in Esquimalt for students (but not living-in members), roughly equivalent to A Block in Halifax or the Spider Hut in Trenton.

Nelles, like A Block, has the unofficial nickname of "The House of Slamming Doors".

I don't mean to be thick - unfortunately, I'm not familiar with either the Halifax or Trenton blocks you reference (I was Army).

But from what I gather, this infamous "Nelles Block" is accommodation for students - a group of people who can reasonably be expected to be subject to MORE discipline than is the norm for servicemen NOT on course.

So I ask again - why aren't the Duty Staff (or Night Watch Staff) DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT, instead of ordering pizza and whinging when that pizza isn't being delivered to them?

Just to add - as stated earlier, I am completely ignorant regarding where the Nelles Block is or, for that matter, what the duties of the Night Watch may be - it may well be that the duties of that particular Watch preclude them doing anything about the Nelles block - I don't know, but I DO stand by to be educated by those in the know.


Roy

 

[284_226]

You're correct - it's accommodation for Fleet School students (both at the QL3 and QL5 level, if I'm not mistaken).  Unless anything has changed since was out there last, the duty staff is there for fire and security rounds, and dishing out keys for the overnight transient accommodations.  I think you're bang on in your assessment about the higher level of discipline expected there as well.

I can't speak to the level of discipline out there at this point in time, but I know that when I was out there on my TQ3 in 1986, any incident like spitting in the face of a delivery driver would have resulted in a stand-to room inspection for all of the inhabitants of the building, with the delivery driver being escorted by the BCPO to identify the culprit.  And woe be the culprit when he/she was identified.  ;D

 

[Haletown]

most taxi companies will pick up & deliver.

you have to pay the premium of a a taxi charge, but if your neighourhood is on the no-delivery list, that may be your only solution to the peperoni, double cheese cravings.

 

[Hawk]

Man, have things ever changed at CFB Esquimalt! I was there in 1966, mind, and things were a lot different then. I was a WREN, quartered in the old Wardroom Annex, now gone. We ate in the galley in Nelles Block. You BEHAVED there, and there were lots of people at hand to see that you did! Discipline was alive and well in those days. What is the CF coming to? Disgraceful  :rage:

Hawk

 

[TN2IC]

Man, have things ever changed at CFB Esquimalt! I was there in 1966, mind, and things were a lot different then. I was a WREN, quartered in the old Wardroom Annex, now gone. We ate in the galley in Nelles Block. You BEHAVED there, and there were lots of people at hand to see that you did! Discipline was alive and well in those days. What is the CF coming to? Disgraceful  :rage:

Hawk

A Block is no better. I"ve been on duty there and all I can say is wow...

 

[Roy Harding]

A Block is no better. I"ve been on duty there and all I can say is wow...

And I ask you the same question.  What did you DO about it?

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

.........ordered Chinese.....................

 

[Roy Harding]

.........ordered Chinese.....................

and had it delivered by taxi-cab, apparently.

 

[TN2IC]

And I ask you the same question.  What did you DO about it?

I was in shock... the duty staff were more focus on Sunset and Colors. Roundsmen do all the work. And all they do is walk about each hour, on the hour with a clock and keys at each different point. If you find anything only thing you can do is report it to the Petty Officer which is usally asleep anyways. It's an amazing system here.

Someone post me back to an army base.... SVP!!!

Regards,
Knecht Ruprecht

 

[Stoker]

Man, have things ever changed at CFB Esquimalt! I was there in 1966, mind, and things were a lot different then. I was a WREN, quartered in the old Wardroom Annex, now gone. We ate in the galley in Nelles Block. You BEHAVED there, and there were lots of people at hand to see that you did! Discipline was alive and well in those days. What is the CF coming to? Disgraceful  :rage:

Hawk

Its called human rights, unfortunately.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Okay, maybe I'm being a little over sensitive here...

I'm sitting on a night watch at CFB Esquimalt. We decided to order Pizza and called Sarpino's in Victoria (Douglas Street).  We enquired about having it delivered to the dockyard gate where someone would be waiting to pay them.  They said that they don't deliver to the base because someone had once spit in the driver's face.  They didn't give us that particulars, but my guess it was probably some drunk in Nelle's block.  But, whatever the reason, this just doesn't seem right to me.  Would they have the same policy with the University, an Apartment building, or any other location where any other individual may have spit on the driver?

This happened about an hour ago.  I've been sitting here thinking about it and decided to say something.  Please share what thoughts you may have about this.  Maybe I am overreacting a little, but deciding where to order Pizza in the future just got a little easier for me...

There is nothing you can do to make the owner/ worker deliver to a specific area.

The employer has a duty to protect the worker. If the area is deemed, by the employer (and/or worker) to be unsafe, the employer is within their rights to not send the worker there, or the worker can refuse to work there.

The following is based on the Occupational Health & Safety Act (Ontario), but the rest of the provinces have similar legislation.

OHSA Sections 25 and 26 assign a mixture of general and specific duties to employers and provide for other duties to be prescribed by regulation. The general duties require an employer to:

Take all reasonable precautions to protect the health and safety of workers;
Ensure that equipment, materials and protective equipment are maintained in good condition;
Provide information, instruction and supervision to protect worker health and safety; and
Co-operate with the JHSC.

“worker” means a person who performs work or supplies services for monetary compensation but does not include an inmate of a correctional institution or like institution or facility who participates inside the institution or facility in a work project or rehabilitation program;

 

[Stoker]

Both A Block and Nelles have live in members not on course. A Block, has a small duty watch that looks after security, members arriving after hours etc, booze is allowed in the rooms, they have had a lot of problems with drugs in the past though. Nelles has a large duty watch that does rounds, cleaning stations etc. There has been problems there in the past with drugs and partying.

 

[Hawk]

Human rights - but where do the trouble-makers' rights end, and the rights of the people who want to live decently begin?

Hawk

 

[armyvern]

Its called human rights, unfortunately.

Human rights does NOT preclude CF disciplinary action ... perhaps that's exactly where A Block & Nelles block have gone wrong.

Especially if there's supervisors who performs duties in these areas claiming they can't 'do shit' about disgusting behaviour due to 'human rights.'

What a failure of leadership that statement signifies. It's no damn wonder it's different there now then if that's the attitude that's prevalent amongst the Duty staff.

I guess the OOW must prefer pizza to professionalism, discipline, and problem solving -- funny that in the military.  : Write that on his PER.

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[Stoker]

Human rights does NOT preclude CF disciplinary action ... perhaps that's exactly where A Block & Nelles block have gone wrong.

Especially if there's supervisors who performs duties in these areas claiming they can't 'do crap' about disgusting behaviour due to 'human rights.'

What a failure of leadership that statement signifies. It's no damn wonder it's different there now then if that's the attitude that's prevalent amongst the Duty staff.

I guess the OOW must prefer pizza to professionalism, discipline, and problem solving -- funny that in the military.  : Write that on his PER.

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Vern, from what I have seen that there is less discipline now in certain places in the CF that there was in say in the sixties and early seventies. A lot of kids these days are mouthpieces and basic doesn't always break them of that (remember the stress cards). This was a hot topic on my ALQ and from our discussions that it occurs in all three elements. I think discipline can be maintained, however sometimes its fine line between what you can do to somebody and what you can't. Some leaders unfortunately cannot see the difference.

 

[284_226]

Both A Block and Nelles have live in members not on course.

I thought all the living-in members that were posted to the base got accommodations in St. Laurent Block and Bernays Block (respectively)?

 

[Stoker]

I thought all the living-in members that were posted to the base got accommodations in St. Laurent Block and Bernays Block (respectively)?

Not necessarily, usually a member on contract of a year or less in the case of reservists stay in A or Nelles block, over a year stay in St. Laurent or Bernays. I believe reg force stay in St.Laurent or Bernays.