New Crown

[TacticalTea]

Same.

This old article is once again an example that we go through this sort of thing with the same sort of complaining about the same sort of stuff. Almost as if we are on a 10 year cycle.

Heather Mallick: The new Canadian passport is pure Harperlandia: Mallick

The new Canadian passport is a nightmarish tribute to a stultifying past.

www.thestar.com

The lead is somewhat appalling.

"A nightmarish tribute to a stultifying past"?

That says more about the author than anything else, methinks.

Anyhow, his apparent obsession with urbania - he'd rather see things Canadians already see on a daily basis, like the CN tower I presume? Deeply uninteresting to me - certainly speaks to a disconnect between what socialists and conservatives value in life. Humans were born in and genetically adapted to nature, wildlife, and that is a much more inspiring environment than rush hour traffic and concrete blocks.

Tradition and heritage matter. The passport is a great place to imbue Canadians' lives with a little more sense of shared history and identity. You've got to see the passport issue within the larger picture : a government apparently hellbent on erasing Canadian culture. Par for the course, when you believe there is no such thing as a Canadian nation. A self-fulfilling prophecy.

The issue is not that we change the passport - the passport itself has no traditional value - it is that we see the great idea that was the 2013 passport and decide to discard the elements of our common heritage anyway.

 

[Maxman1]

Apparently it's been in design for 10 years...so the Harper govt.

Harper hasn't been in office for eight of those ten years.

 

[Good2Golf]

Harper hasn't been in office for eight of those ten years.

Everyone knows that the first two years of a decade are the most formative, so it’s still Harper’s fault.

 

[Kilted]

Lieutenant Governor of Saskatchewan presents RCMP with new Guidon | Royal Canadian Mounted Police

The RCMP received their new Guidon today, with the King's Cypher including the Tudor Crown. The Badge displayed on the Guidon still includes St Edwards Crown.

 

[Furniture]

Lieutenant Governor of Saskatchewan presents RCMP with new Guidon | Royal Canadian Mounted Police

The RCMP received their new Guidon today, with the King's Cypher including the Tudor Crown. The Badge displayed on the Guidon still includes St Edwards Crown.

Leave it to Canada to screw up something as simple as this...

 

[daftandbarmy]

Lieutenant Governor of Saskatchewan presents RCMP with new Guidon | Royal Canadian Mounted Police

The RCMP received their new Guidon today, with the King's Cypher including the Tudor Crown. The Badge displayed on the Guidon still includes St Edwards Crown.

 

[RedFive]

A couple observations:

1) A new Guidon was presented to the National police force and they couldn't convince the Governor General to show up?

2) Some aspects (Specifically the WW2 honour, but also the inclusion of GRC) have been changed in the name of bilingualism, others haven't. Interesting.

3) It would appear to me that the RCMP has no intention of changing the crown on the cap badge, or they likely would have done so before the presentation of a Guidon that will serve for the next few decades.

4) Why on earth did they feel they needed to specify years for Afghanistan when the battle honours awarded to units of the CAF do not?

On the whole, not bad. Just a couple head scratchers for me.

 

[Kilted]

A couple observations:

1) A new Guidon was presented to the National police force and they couldn't convince the Governor General to show up?

2) Some aspects (Specifically the WW2 honour, but also the inclusion of GRC) have been changed in the name of bilingualism, others haven't. Interesting.

3) It would appear to me that the RCMP has no intention of changing the crown on the cap badge, or they likely would have done so before the presentation of a Guidon that will serve for the next few decades.

4) Why on earth did they feel they needed to specify years for Afghanistan when the battle honours awarded to units of the CAF do not?

On the whole, not bad. Just a couple head scratchers for me.

I thought that the reason that dates weren't included because they were looking at awarded additional battle honours for specific engagements, such as Op Medusa. Not sure what they actually would have name it.

 

[Stoker]

Leave it to Canada to screw up something as simple as this...

It appears none of the crowns are going to be changed.

 

[Furniture]

It appears none of the crowns are going to be changed.

Then why did we create a new one for Canada?

 

[Stoker]

Then why did we create a new one for Canada?

Who knows, have you seen any military unit change their unit badge yet?

 

[Furniture]

Who knows, have you seen any military unit change their unit badge yet?

No, but that's likely more to do with the GoC dragging their heels than any intentional policy.

As far as I'm aware, there are still CFAOs out there that haven't become DAODs...

 

[dimsum]

No, but that's likely more to do with the GoC dragging their heels than any intentional policy.

I can be mistaken, but I thought that current units can keep the St. Edward‘s crown. Any new units would change to the Tudor crown.

 

[dapaterson]

No, but that's likely more to do with the GoC dragging their heels than any intentional policy.

As far as I'm aware, there are still CFAOs out there that haven't become DAODs...

Look, the deadline for that was (checks notes) Y2K. Then reinvigorated in 2015 or so...

 

[Furniture]

I can be mistaken, but I thought that current units can keep the St. Edward‘s crown. Any new units would change to the Tudor crown.

That goes back to what I said earlier...

Leave it to Canada to screw up something as simple as this...

 

[eliminator]

A couple observations:

1) A new Guidon was presented to the National police force and they couldn't convince the Governor General to show up?

2) Some aspects (Specifically the WW2 honour, but also the inclusion of GRC) have been changed in the name of bilingualism, others haven't. Interesting.

3) It would appear to me that the RCMP has no intention of changing the crown on the cap badge, or they likely would have done so before the presentation of a Guidon that will serve for the next few decades.

4) Why on earth did they feel they needed to specify years for Afghanistan when the battle honours awarded to units of the CAF do not?

On the whole, not bad. Just a couple head scratchers for me.

It appears that they wanted to highlight the years, similar to their other emblazoned honours? Or perhaps they just wanted to emulate the Brits to ...avoid confusion with previous Afghanistan 'activities' from the late 19th century? RAF Squadrons Receive Battle Honours from Her Majesty The Queen

Side note, what's the requirement for emblazonment on the RCMP Guidon? Only about 300 Canadian police officers deployed to Afghanistan from 2003-2014, not all of whom were RCMP (some Sûreté du Québec, OPP, Toronto Police, Calgary Police, etc). Quick Google check indicates that the RCMP has about 19,000 uniformed police officers.

 

[dimsum]

That goes back to what I said earlier...

What I was suggesting is that the idea of not switching everything over at once (and having people purchase/issue new badges) could be intentional.

 

[RedFive]

It appears that they wanted to highlight the years, similar to their other emblazoned honours? Or perhaps they just wanted to emulate the Brits to ...avoid confusion with previous Afghanistan 'activities' from the late 19th century? RAF Squadrons Receive Battle Honours from Her Majesty The Queen

Side note, what's the requirement for emblazonment on the RCMP Guidon? Only about 300 Canadian police officers deployed to Afghanistan from 2003-2014, not all of whom were RCMP (some Sûreté du Québec, OPP, Toronto Police, Calgary Police, etc). Quick Google check indicates that the RCMP has about 19,000 uniformed police officers.

Maybe so, but the RCMP has only been to Afghanistan once so I just find it weird they felt the need to specify dates when other Canadian units didn't. Many of those units, especially in the Reserve, didn't have members deployed for the entire mission but got the dateless "Afghanistan" honour anyways. I'm far from an expert.

As far as the requirements, I don't know that either.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Then why did we create a new one for Canada?

They wanted something to represent the Natural Governing Party, hence the snowflakes.

 

[Booter]

Maybe so, but the RCMP has only been to Afghanistan once so I just find it weird they felt the need to specify dates when other Canadian units didn't. Many of those units, especially in the Reserve, didn't have members deployed for the entire mission but got the dateless "Afghanistan" honour anyways. I'm far from an expert.

As far as the requirements, I don't know that either.

There’s a new policy for these things- not published on the info web. But There’s a process and when it hits a threshold they ask somebody in government. There is a paragraph from the request that outline the contribution the RCMP made that they suggested qualified us I think I saw it recently- I may be able to locate it again.