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National Strategy for Victory in Iraq

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http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/iraq/iraq_strategy_nov2005.html

Hot off the presses from the U.S. Executive.  I must admit I'm a little leery about the opening heading:

Helping the Iraqi People Defeat the Terrorists and Build an Inclusive Democratic State

Terrorists?  Isn't the Insurgency the problem?

Combating terrorism and insurgency requires different strategic responses....states must handle insurgencies differently, because they represent both a political and a military challenge.

LtCol Michael Morris, USMC, Al Qaeda as Insurgency; pg 6

As for Inclusive Democratic State, is that really going to be the solution to their problems?  Can we export democracy on the end of a bayonet?

This is a civil war of sorts, and one which the West is poorly positioned to referee and ill-suited to encourage or end.  The contest is not the venue of an information operation writ large.  Rather it is the age old and fundamental debate on religion's role in governance. Each people must make its own choice; Madison Avenue marketing techniques and western-style politics are neither necessary nor sufficient to sway the result.  Instead a sophisticated form of political warfare must support and encourage moderate governments that champion tolerant forms of the Islamic faith, while opposing religious fascism.

LtCol Michael Morris, USMC, Al Qaeda as Insurgency; pg 12

Although I take issue with the rhetoric of "religious fascism", I think the good Colonel is on the right track.
 
This is a civil war of sorts, and one which the West is poorly positioned to referee and ill-suited to encourage or end.  The contest is not the venue of an information operation writ large.  Rather it is the age old and fundamental debate on religion's role in governance. Each people must make its own choice;

The religious aspect of it is immaterial, it's the political system that's important.  A democratic state with an official state religion is not neccesarily a bad thing - the Israelis certainly pulled it off pretty well.
 
48Highlander said:
The religious aspect of it is immaterial, it's the political system that's important.

Try telling that to a Muslim in the Middle East....
 
Israel is a western franchise state.
At best, Iraq's democracy will be weak as political parties will be forced into coalitions. I'd be surprised to see them turn out better than Italy, politically.
 
Gee, didn't know it was possible to write a policy document composed almost completely in point form.  Needless to say the objectives outlined in required in this document are going to mean, a large porition of the American military commited to Iraq for a very, very long time.  I don't believe it is feasible, simply because democratization is an evolutionary process, and that it's absolutely irrelevant how you define sucess in Iraq, if the majority of Iraqi's don't care for your vision, it aint gonna happen.  Also the only sucessful democracies are secular democracies, in that duties of citizenship are defined by a criterion exclusive of religion.
 
2332Piper said:

Do you really need it explained to you?  It isn't exactly a South American junta.
 
Interesting site I found; I have to look into it more to figure out where they are coming from.

http://www.jihadunspun.com/home.php

Anyways, links to what the bad guys are saying is always fun to read, if anything to see how nutty they are - here is the Insurgency's response to the US Strategy for Victory:

http://www.jihadunspun.com/intheatre_internal.php?article=105250&list=/home.php&

Al-Qaeda Takes Control Of Ramadi; Declares "Lions Expedition" A Victory
Dec 02, 2005
By Ubaidah Al-Saif; Translation © Jihad Unspun 2005

Contingents of Al-Qaeda's Mujahideen fired mortar rounds and rockets into a US base and subsequently took control of Ramadi, the capital on Anbar, just one day after Washington announced its strategy for victory in the country.

The Mujahideen, in a stunning show of strength, first attacked the US base and then seized control of the streets. Scores of heavily armed brothers set up roadblocks at key entrance and exit points to the city and at press time are continuing to patrol the main thoroughfares. Al-Qaeda in Iraq, under the command of Sheik Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, distributed leaflets advising residents that they were taking over control of the city.
"We will burn the Americans and will drive them back to their homes by force. Iraq will be a graveyard for the Americans and their allies," one leaflet read.

A statement released by the group declared victory in the coordinated effort that deployed several Al-Qaeda Brigades, code named "The Lions Expedition", exposing the false claims of the so-called success of the recent US-led operation dubbed "Operation Steel Curtain".

Here is Al-Qaeda's statement, published uncut and uncensored, as translated by JUS. Two separate footage clips from the engagement follow on the front page.

We remind our viewers that the opinions and points of view expressed in these statements are those of the author and shall not be deemed to mean that they are necessarily those of Jihad Unspun, the publisher, editor, writers, contributors or staff.

Al-Qaeda: All Is Quite On The Ramadi Front, Most Of The City Is Under Our Control, And The Lions Expedition Has Been A Smashing Success

In The Name Of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

O Allah! Make our shots hit their intended targets and fasten our feet firmly to the ground. All praise be to Allah, The Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds. Peace and prayer be upon our prophet, Muhammad, his family, and his companions.

{Go you forth (whether equipped) lightly or heavily, and strive and struggle, with your goods and persons, in the Cause of Allah. That is best for you, if you (but knew).} 09:41

By the Grace of Allah, your brothers in Tawheed have solidified their control over most parts of the city of Ramadi shortly after giving "The Lions Expedition" the go signal. Your brothers descended on the city chanting Allahu Akbar, pounded all cross worshippers positions, chased their coward soldiers throughout the streets of Ramadi, and sent their so called "Steel Shield Operation" into a disgraceful defeat, just like all of their previous operations. Most of Al-Qaeda Brigades participated in this blessed expedition.

Allahu Akbar...Allahu Akbar...Allahu Akbar! Glory is to Allah, His messenger, and to the Mujahideen

Military Division
Al-Qaida in the Land of the Two Rivers
29 Shawwal 1426
December 1, 2005

Here is the US take on things (one I'm a bit more inclined to accept):

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/12/01/iraq.main/index.html
 
There is the home front as well. VDH has laid it out very well here:

A Moral War
The project in Iraq can succeed, and leave its critics scrambling.

Almost everything that is now written about Iraq rings not quite right: It was a "blunder"; there should have been far more troops there; the country must be trisected; we must abide by a timetable and leave regardless of events on the ground; Iraq will soon devolve into either an Islamic republic or another dictatorship; the U.S. military is enervated and nearly ruined; and so on.

In fact, precisely because we have killed thousands of terrorists, trained an army, and ensured a political process, it is possible to do what was intended from the very beginning: lessen the footprint of American troops in the heart of the ancient caliphate.

Save for a few courageous Democrats, like Senator Joe Lieberman, who look at things empirically rather than ideologically, and some stalwart Republicans, most politicians and public intellectuals have long bailed on the enterprise.

This is now what comprises statesmanship: Some renounce their earlier support for the war. Others, less imaginative, in Clintonian (his and hers) fashion, take credit for backing the miraculous victory of spring 2003, but in hindsight, of course, blame the bloody peace on Bush. Or, better yet, they praise Congressman Murtha to the skies, but under no circumstances go on record urging the military to follow his advice.

How strange that journalists pontificate post facto about all the mistakes that they think have been made, nevertheless conceding that here we are on the verge of a third and final successful election. No mention, of course, is ever made about the current sorry state of journalistic ethics and incompetence (cf. Jayson Blair, Judy Miller, Michael Isikoff, Bob Woodward, Eason Jordan). A group of professionals, after all, who cannot even be professional in their own sphere, surely have no credibility in lecturing the U.S. military about what they think went wrong in Iraq.

Of course, the White House, as is true in all wars, has made mistakes, but only one critical lapse - and it is not the Herculean effort to establish a consensual government at the nexus of the Middle East in less than three years after removing Saddam Hussein. The administration's lapse, rather, has come in its failure to present the entire war effort in its proper moral context.

We took no oil - the price in fact skyrocketed after we invaded Iraq. We did not do Israel's bidding; in fact, it left Gaza after we went into Iraq and elections followed on the West Bank. We did not want perpetual hegemony - in fact, we got out of Saudi Arabia, used the minimum amount of troops possible, and will leave Iraq anytime its consensual government so decrees. And we did not expropriate Arab resources, but, in fact, poured billions of dollars into Iraq to jumpstart its new consensual government in the greatest foreign aid infusion of the age.

In short, every day the American people should have been reminded of, and congratulated on, their country's singular idealism, its tireless effort to reject the cynical realism of the past, and its near lone effort to make terrible sacrifices to offer the dispossessed Shia and Kurds something better than the exploitation and near genocide of the past - and how all that alone will enhance the long-term security of the United States.

That goal was what the U.S. military ended up so brilliantly fighting for - and what the American public rarely heard. The moral onus should have always been on the critics of the war. They should have been forced to explain why it was wrong to remove a fascist mass murderer, why it was wrong to stay rather than letting the country sink into Lebanon-like chaos, and why it was wrong not to abandon brave women, Kurds, and Shia who only wished for the chance of freedom.

Alas, that message we rarely heard until only recently, and the result has energized amoral leftists, who now pose as moralists by either misrepresenting the cause of the war, undermining the effort of soldiers in the field, or patronizing Iraqis as not yet civilized enough for their own consensual government.

We can draw down our troops not because of political pressures but because of events on the ground. First, the Iraqi military is improving - not eroding or deserting. The canard of only "one battle-ready brigade" could just as well apply to any of the Coalition forces. After all, what brigade in the world is the equal of the U.S. military - or could go into the heart of Fallujah house-to-house? The French? The Russians? The Germans? In truth, the Iraqi military is proving good enough to hold ground and soon to take it alongside our own troops.

Despite past calls here to postpone elections, and threats of mass murder there for those who participated in them, they continue on schedule. And the third and last vote is the most important, since it will put a human face on the elected government - and the onus on it to officially sanction U.S. help and monetary aid or refuse it.

Saddam's trial will remind the world of his butchery. Despite all the ankle-biting by human-rights groups about proper jurisprudence, the Iraqis will try him and convict him much more quickly than the Europeans will do the same to Milosevic (not to mention the other killers still loose like Gen. Mladic and Mr. Karadzic), posing the question: What is the real morality - trying a mass murderer and having him pay for his crimes, or engaging in legal niceties for years while the ghosts of his victims cry for justice?

More importantly, we can also calibrate our progress by examining the perceived self-interest of the various players, here and abroad.

The Sunnis - no oil, a minority population, increasing disgust with Zarqawi, a shameful past under Saddam - will participate in the December elections in large numbers. They now have no choice other than either to be perpetual renegades and terrorists inside their own country or to gain world respect by turning to democracy. The election train is leaving in December and this time they won't be left at the station.

Zarqawi and the radical Islamicists are slowly being squeezed as only a war at their doorstep could accomplish. Critics of Iraq should ask if we were not fighting Zarqawi in Iraq, where exactly would we be fighting Islamic fascists - or would the war against terror be declared over, won, lost, dormant, or ongoing, with the U.S. simply playing defense?

Instead, what Iraq did is ensure that al Qaeda's Sunni support is being coopted by democracy. Jordan, the terrorists' old ace in the hole that could always put a cosmetic face on its stealthy support for radicals, has essentially turned on Zarqawi and with him al Qaeda. Syria is under virtual siege and its border sanctuary now a killing zone. Bin Laden can offer very little solace from his cave. And somehow Islamists have alienated the United States, Europe, Russia, China, Australia, Japan, and increasingly Middle East democracies like those in Afghanistan, Turkey, and Iraq, and reform movements in Lebanon and Jordan.


Decision day is coming when Zarqawi's bombers will have to choose either to die, or, like a Nathan Bedford Forrest ("I'm a goin' home"), quit to join the reform-seeking majority. That progress was accomplished only by the war in Iraq, and without it we would be back to playing a waiting game for another 9/11, while an autocratic Middle East went on quietly helping terrorists without consequences, either afraid of Saddam or secretly enjoying his chauvinist defiance.

Kurds and Shiites support us for obvious reasons - no other government on the planet would risk its sons and daughters to give them the right of one man/one vote. They may talk the necessary talk about infidels, but they know we will leave anytime they so vote. After the December election, expect them - and perhaps the Sunnis as well - quietly to ask us to stay to see things through.

Europe is quiet now. Madrid, London, Paris, and Amsterdam have taught Europeans that it is not George Bush but Islamic fascism that threatens their very existence. Worse still, they rightly fear they have lost the good will of the United States that so generously subsidized their defense - an entitlement perhaps to be sneered at during the post-Cold War "end of history," but not in a new global war against Islamic terrorists keen to acquire deadly weapons.

Our military realizes that it can trump its brilliant victories in removing the Taliban and Saddam Hussein by birthing democracy in Iraq - or risk losing that impressive reputation by having a new Lebanon blow up in its face. China, Japan, India, Russia, Korea, Iran, and other key countries are all watching Iraq - ready to calibrate American deterrence by the efficacy of the U.S. military in the Sunni Triangle. Our armed forces have already accomplished what the British and the Soviets could never do in Afghanistan; what the Russians failed to accomplish in Chechnya; and what we came so close to finishing in Vietnam. They won't falter now when they are so close to winning an almost impossibly difficult war, one that will be recognized by friends and enemies as beyond the capability of any other military in the world.

The Left now risks losing its self-proclaimed moral appeal. It had trashed the efforts in Iraq for months on end, demanded a withdrawal - only recently to learn from polls that an unhappy public may also be unhappy with it for advocating fleeing while American soldiers are in harm's way. Another successful election, polls showing Iraqis overwhelmingly wishing us to stay on, visits by elected Iraqi officials asking continued help, and a decreasing American footprint will gradually erode the appeal of the antiwar protests - especially as triangulating public intellectuals and pundits begin to quiet down, fathoming that the United States may win after all.

The administration realizes that as long as it stays the course and our military remains confident we can win, we will - despite defections in the Congress, venom in the press, and cyclical lows in the polls. In practical political terms, only the administration, not the Congress or the courts, can choose to cease our efforts in Iraq. Rightly or wrongly, the Bush administration will be judged on Iraq: If we lose, the president will be seen as a tragic LBJ-like figure who squandered his initial grassroots support in a foreign quagmire; if we win, he will be remembered, in spirit, as something akin to a Harry Truman, and, in deed, an FDR who won a critical war against impossible odds, and restored the security of the United States.

George Bush may well go down in history as a less-effective leader than his father or Bill Clinton; but unlike either, he may also have a real chance to be remembered in that select class of rare presidents whom history records as having saved this country at a time of national peril and in the face of unprecedented criticism. Bush's domestic agenda hinges on Iraq: If he withdraws now, his proposals on taxes, social security, deficit reduction, education, and immigration are dead. If he sees the Iraq project through, these now-iffy initiatives will piggyback on the groundswell of popular thanks he will receive for reforming the Middle East.

Strangely, I doubt whether very many would agree with much of anything stated above - at least for now. But if the administration can emphasize the moral nature of this war, and the military can continue its underappreciated, but mostly successful efforts to defeat the enemy and give the Iraqis a few more months of breathing space, who knows what the current opportunists and pessimists will say by summer.Will they say that they in fact were always sorta, kinda, really for removing Saddam and even staying on to see democracy work in Iraq?

- Victor Davis Hanson is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution. His latest book is A War Like No Other. How the Athenians and Spartans Fought the Peloponnesian War.
 
http://www.nationalreview.com/hanson/hanson200512020815.asp
 
It is a little disheartening that after reading LtGen Sattler's recounting of the Battle of Fallujah last year and how it "broke the back of the Insurgency" to see 21 casualties (10 KIA) in an attack in Fallujah (read it here).  And this attack wasn't a part of the ongoing counterinsurgency operations in Fallujah and Ramadi.

I'm not going to get optimistic yet.

RIP Marines.
 
VDH is, as usual, nothing more than a Bushvik parrot. Since no one in academia takes his works on the ancient Greeks seriously, I suppose he's got to eat somehow.

We took no oil â ” the price in fact skyrocketed after we invaded Iraq.

Yes, and as anyone who works in the oil industry is keenly aware of, oil company profits have also skyrocketed with oil prices. What did Bush use to do again? Were we expecting him to just ship the Iraqi Oil to the US ans give it away for free?

We did not do Israel's bidding; in fact, it left Gaza after we went into Iraq and elections followed on the West Bank.

Um, yes you did, you INVADED IRAQ, A SWORN ENEMY OF ISRAEL. what happens in Gaza and the West bank have zero relevence to the topic at hand.

We did not want perpetual hegemony â ” in fact, we got out of Saudi Arabia,

Isn't that what Bin Laden wanted? So is that the new strategy? Just cave in to their demands?

And we did not expropriate Arab resources, but, in fact, poured billions of dollars into Iraq to jumpstart its new consensual government in the greatest foreign aid infusion of the age.

Yeah, Halliburton sure has been doing some brisk business.


and will leave Iraq anytime its consensual government so decrees.

Not only is this of very dubious credibility, since the US will define what "consensual" means, why is this even a good thing? If an Iranian backed Shi'te theocracy comes to power with the consent of the Shi'ites, should the US just pull out and be done with it? Mission Accomplished indeed.

Zarqawi and the radical Islamicists are slowly being squeezed as only a war at their doorstep could accomplish. Critics of Iraq should ask if we were not fighting Zarqawi in Iraq, where exactly would we be fighting Islamic fascists â ” or would the war against terror be declared over, won, lost, dormant, or ongoing, with the U.S. simply playing defense?

Oh fer fsck sakes..... that war on terror BS is really starting to get old. Same question I asked ages before and never got an answer to: How on earth has invading Iraq made the US any safer from terrorists? AL QAEDA IN IRAQ WAS A CREATION OF THE US INVASION.

Europe is quiet now. Madrid, London, Paris, and Amsterdam have taught Europeans that it is not George Bush but Islamic fascism that threatens their very existence.

For someone who apparently makes a living studying European history, that's a pretty wacky thing to say. Has he ever actually been to Europe? How did I miss all the Western European countries who have realized the error of their ways and jumped into the Coalition of the Willing?

Whatever, this is too easy.

Rest of the relay, remaining fish in VDH's barrel to your front, on your own time, go on.

Strangely, I doubt whether very many would agree with much of anything stated above â ” at least for now.

Guess why? Maybe he should try publishing his garbage in a real publication instead of a right wing wank rag?


Oh, and of course I still support the continued occupation of Iraq.
 
Some good news. So long as the Americans have the political will to go on, they can fight the Jihadis in Iraq indefinitely, since they have more than ample resources to do so. Reading between the lines, should they mobilize to engage Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia or all three (or North Korea, for that matter), they have ample resources to do so:

http://www.nationalreview.com/nrof_buzzcharts/buzzcharts200601230854.asp

Critics of the war in Iraq often complain about the “escalating cost of the war.” Listening to them, you’d never know that the war is one of the least expensive in American history.

Robert Whaples, professor of economics at Wake Forest University, has measured the cost of each major American war up through the first Gulf War. We took these costs and compared them to the cost of the Iraq war and found that the Iraq experience has consumed a smaller percentage of GDP (just 2 percent of one year’s wealth creation) than every other American war except the first Gulf War (which measured just 1 percent of GDP).

This stands in stark contrast to the Vietnam experience, which opponents have often attempted to liken to the Iraq war. Vietnam comprised a much heartier 12 percent of GDP at the time. Other conflicts, such as World War II, took a remarkable 130 percent of a year’s GDP to see through to success.

The work is not done in Iraq, and the financial costs will grow beyond the $251 billion we have spent so far. The real cost, of course, is in human lives, manifested in the debate about whether it is worth losing a few thousand American lives in order to liberate 23 million people. But the data are clear; any attempt to discredit this war based on its effect on the U.S. economy is an unnecessary distraction.

— Jerry Bowyer is the author of The Bush Boom and an economic advisor to Independence Portfolio Partners. He can be reached through www.BowyerMedia.com.

 
That's a great find - I believe its essentially absent from Cdn discussions though which is to our disadvantage. We can have all the daring do but no awareness back at home front says something about our Strategic Views.

Here's a paper I found that presents the conditions to establish an insurgency which arises when natural economic expansion encounters traditional societies

http://www.cia.gov/nic/PDF_GIF_2020_Support/2004_05_25_papers/violence.doc

background - an extract

Understanding that the current era's Global War on Terrorism is nothing more than the continuation of a long historical arc associated with the expansion of the functioning core of the global economy (traditionally defined by the market economy, free expression, and the opportunities they entail) is crucial to determining both the length of the strategic struggle ahead, as well as its likely pathways. 

So far, we have seen the anti-capitalist forces in the world progressively retreat across history:

Having failed to hijack Germany with a Communist insurrection during and just after the first World War, Lenin and the Bolsheviks initially retreated to a pre-capitalist environment in order to successfully break off a nation (Russia) from the capitalist world system (though 10 years later they began to build an industrial system).

Other Communist successes followed historically, other than those generated by the Soviet Union's military successes in World War II (i.e., the conquering and subjugation of Eastern Europe), and were based on even further retreats back into the past—namely, Mao's peasant-based revolutions (and all the variants that followed in various Third World locales, with varying levels of success),

The peak of this retreat, as far as the Communists were concerned, was seen in the Soviet Union's shift to support of  “Countries of Socialist Orientation” following the Cuban missile crisis.  In effect, the Communists experimented with the notion that future successes were to be had in breaking societies off from the capitalist world system and would involve the world's poorest and most economically backward states.  This experiment failed miserably, and with it, the grand historical retreat of the Communists’ influence began in the early 1980s, abetted by the rise of internal reformist leaderships in both the Soviet Union and China.

With the end of the Cold War, strategic thinkers in the West tended to assume that no coherent resistance to the then-rapidly enlarging market world order would emerge again—or the notion voiced by Francis Fukuyama of an "end of history."  In retrospect, this was a fundamental misreading of history.  History was simply resuming after the Communist planned-economy interlude, with the locus of violent resistance to the global economy's spread shifting to the traditional cultures of the Middle East.

To the extent the United States and its allies succeed in connecting the Middle East to the global economy beyond the slim bond currently offered by the energy trade (which results in wealth for elites but no broad economic development), those elements committed to violent resistance against the spread of the "corrupt," Western-derived global economy (the threat of "Westoxification") may yet again retreat into the past by targeting ever-more pre-globalized societies as their next venues for revolution/jihad.  In other words, as we succeed in the Middle East, we may be setting ourselves up for the next historical round in sub-Saharan Africa. 

I'd check out where runways are being lengthened in Africa............

PS: I saw a note in the paper today or yesterday that said Al Quaida is mixed up in Nigerian Oil disruptions.






 
54/102, much of what you say is also recounted in "The Pentagon's New Map", by Thomas P.M. Barnett. Essentially his thesis is the Western task for the next century is to integrate the "Non Integrating Gap" people and nations into the "Functional Core" community.

Interestingly, Barnett uses almost the same language as you did when discussing how the Bolsheviks and later Osama Bin Laden's followers are attempting to "break off" areas and nations from the Core and isolate them (which is essentially his definition of the Gap). An interesting read, if you havn't done so already.

 
Pretty tough to have a National Victory strategy for Iraq when the goals that were set for the initial victory can never be obtained.  The odds of the Iraqis electing a stable government are slim to non in the near future anyway.  They can't even get parliment to work right now, to elect a PM for the nation.

You don't trust the army you are training to relieve you.  They don't trust the Iraqi commanders and will not give the Iraqi troops heavy equipment for fear of them using it against the Americans or British.

I don't see a viable solution to remedy this problem in the near future anyway.  Iran and Syria are fully exploting this situation and I have my suspicons that China has a hand at the table as well.  Iran in front of the camera and Syria behind the scenes. The way I see it is that if they keep America preoccupied here they figure they will have a free hand to do what they want.

You have two choices here you either to this the long haul way prob 10 - 20 yrs to rebuild and secure the nation or you pull pole and let them sort it for themselves.

Is it a Victory strategy or a survival strategy.

MOO
 
Declining casualty figures for the Coalition, Iraqi army and police. Given this sort fo news is not being reported, I have to wonder what else isn't being reported either?

http://www.myelectionanalysis.com/?p=875

Numbers

81, 76, 50, 49, 43, 25

What are these numbers? This week’s Powerball winners? A safe deposit combo? New numbers to torment those poor b*stards stranded on the island in Lost?

No, they’re the number of troops that have died in hostile actions in Iraq for each of the past six months. That last number represents the lowest level of troop deaths in a year, and second-lowest in two years.

But it must be that the insurgency is turning their assault on Iraqi military and police, who are increasingly taking up the slack, right?

215, 176, 193, 189, 158, 193 (and the three months before that were 304, 282, 233)

Okay, okay, so insurgents aren’t engaging us; they’re turning increasingly to car bombs then, right?

70, 70, 70, 68, 30, 30

Civilians then. They’re just garroting poor civilians.

527, 826, 532, 732, 950, 446 (upper bound, two months before that were 2489 and 1129).

My point here is not that everything is peachy in Iraq. It isn’t. My point isn’t that the insurgency is in its last throes. It isn’t. My point here isn’t even to argue that we’re winning. I’m at best cautiously-pessimistic-to-neutral about how things are going there.

My only point is that, at the very least, people who complain that good news coming out of Iraq gets shuttered by the press aren’t crazy. I’m a regular denizen of the right-leaning blogosphere (though I spend about half my daily routine with left-leaning sites), and I was unequivicolly shocked when I saw this. Completely the opposite of what I’d expected. My non-scientific sample of three friends, all of whom are considerably more bullish about the prospects in Iraq than I am, revealed three people similarly surprised by these numbers. I’m guessing if I polled people on this site regarding the direction those numbers were going, and people didn’t answer strategically (eg figure I was up to something from the question words), no one would predict any of those numbers were on a downward trend, or were even flat.

Again, my point isn’t that we’re winning. My only point is that if the data you’ve received left you completely surprised by these numbers, what does that really say about the completeness of the data you’ve received?

Incidentally, these statistics are compiled by the Brookings Institution, a liberal think tank.
 
From Chaos Manor; are we building an appropriate government structure for Iraq?

http://www.jerrypournelle.com/view/view409.html

On what we are doing in Iraq

I wrote this in response to a private letter from a serving officer. On reflection it belongs as a public statement:

My point is that we are NOT building Jeffersonian democracy. We seem to be building winner take all on the French model central government, with proportional representation rather than single member fixed districts and federalism with substantial local power.

Why the US thinks that those failed principles that have given democracy a very bad name and which we never employed here are a good idea I do not know. There are silly intellectuals who think the US needs to go to election by tickets with PR rather than single member districts, and national unity rather than federalism; and this is probably the key debate about our own future. But why we want to install such systems in Iraq through using our legions, I do not know. Probably because the intellectuals have more control over the legions than they do over the US itself. Intellectuals in power: one of the things the world cannot endure. A servant when he is master... (Read Pareto, or Burnham on Pareto (The Machiavellians) for more.)

Apparently we do not know our own history or how our own government works, but we are going to go tell others how to run their countries -- on the French and Israeli models despite their lack of success in the places those have been used.

England is adopting this madness. Winner take all is a HORRIBLE way to run a democracy unless it is very decentralized, and proportional representation and party tickets is an awful way to choose representatives.

Those who do not learn history...

Of course, there are many people who would argue that Canada should be going to that system as well......

 
Wizard has hit the nail on the head; you cant achieve mission objectives if the objectives arent realistic.  First they base the entire concept on it being the 'war against AQ' which was not a problem until six months AFTER the invasion.  Then they presume that they are winning the war agaisnt insurgents when in fact the insurgency keeps building (Ive lot count of the numbers of times Ive heard spokespersons say they've brone the resistance). For every man you kill, two relatives take up arms in revenge, basic tribal warfare foundations. 

In countries with conditions that facilitate the foundation and maintenance of resistance and insurgency, it is impossible to completely eliminate insurgent groups; look at Greece and Turkey, both 'civilized' countries of NATO, yet both have significant anarchist/terrorist/insurgent problems. If your plan is to 100% eliminate insurgency you are fighting a losing war. 

Ref Britney, yeah oil is nice, but the profits in Iraq are not based on oil, they have yet to start producing enough to make a profit.  It is based on the lawless atmosphere and need for technology of all types, thats where the money is!
 
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