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Mystery objects/ Balloons over north America

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High altitude object shot down over Lake Huron: report
Sarah K. Burris
February 12, 2023

CNN is citing U.S. Military sources saying that a high-altitude object was shot down over Lake Huron. It comes after the FAA closed the air space over Lake Michigan for "national defense purposes."

It hasn't been revealed whether or not the object was a spy balloon, though at least three have been shut down so far over the past week.

Gen. Wesley Clark told CNN that it's a possible effort by China to see what holes exist in the United States radar system. When the first balloon was flying over the U.S., China's government claimed that it was just a rogue weather balloon. They haven't indicated whether there is an outbreak of these kinds of balloons.

The first balloon shot down did belong to China, the Pentagon said in a report earlier this week. The House passed a toothless bill denouncing the balloon, which China attacked as "political manipulation."

The first balloon was being manipulated the Pentagon said in a briefing.

Mary Schiavo Former inspector General to the U.S. Department of Transportation said that it'd caused a lot of problems for military, civilian and corporate air traffic. She said that she's not concerned about copycats or pranks, so much as she's worried about other countries using airships for similar purposes.

The National Security Council Spokesperson told the press in a statement, "These objects did not closely resemble and were much smaller than the PRC balloon and we will not definitively characterize them until we can recover the debris, which we are working on."
Rep. Jack Bergman (R-MI) told Fox that the object was octagonal in shape and hovering around 20,000 ft.
 
Sure, I can easily believe that aliens capable of interstellar travel lack the tech to protect themselves from our tech.
Would our probes be any better armed/armored?

I think not... our furthest probes aren't so in the slightest.
 
This CTV interview with a previous Canadian National Security Advisor is enlightening.

Particularly his outburst towards the end.

Notably the interview was after No. 3 and before No. 4.

1 is an outlier
2 is coincidence
3 is a trend
4 is a problem

 
This CTV interview with a previous Canadian National Security Advisor is enlightening.

Particularly his outburst towards the end.

Notably the interview was after No. 3 and before No. 4.

1 is an outlier
2 is coincidence
3 is a trend
4 is a problem

It’s a lot more than 4. It’s 4 this week.
If you dig a bit, this has been an issue for a while. Trump just seemed to pretend they where not there (like his files maybe…)
 
NOTAM up for a 30 nautical mile radius northeast of Dawson City, Yukon. This replaced an earlier, larger restriction so I suspect this reflects the fall of shot.



This will be a tough area to get to and work in. Mayo has a 4500’ runway about 90km from the centre of the restricted area. Dawson City is a bit farther, slightly longer runway (5000’), way more amenities and infrastructure. Both communities are on the highway network. The area of the flight restriction is pretty rugged.

Who even works this? I’m assuming it’s Canada’s problem; I’m guessing CANSOFCOM would be the first fastest option… Who deals with investigating wreckage like this? CAF? Transport Canada? RCMP?
C17 and C130 'can' land at either but likely RCMP via PC12 or one of 440SQN's Twin Otters will send some Ranger WO's and JTFN HQ staff to meet local Rangers and set up a CP. Possibly a Herc worth of 1CER to jump in and relieve any SAR Techs for site security and to build a CH47 capable LZ in the bush plus a small forward camp.
 
Sure, I can easily believe that aliens capable of interstellar travel lack the tech to protect themselves from our tech.
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It’s a lot more than 4. It’s 4 this week.
If you dig a bit, this has been an issue for a while. Trump just seemed to pretend they where not there (like his files maybe…)

Seriously? 2 years ago?
 
It’s a lot more than 4. It’s 4 this week.
If you dig a bit, this has been an issue for a while. Trump just seemed to pretend they where not there (like his files maybe…)
In TFG's case, the question is always "how much did who pay him to ignore them?"
 
Bravo Bravo - a Trump reference in a current affairs thread.
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China seems to be doing a great job of pushing ABCANZUS closer together.



UK to launch security review over China spy balloons​

Defence Secretary to work with allies to analyse intelligence as MPs warn balloons may have already crossed over UK

ByDaniel Martin, DEPUTY POLITICAL EDITOR and Nick Gutteridge, POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT12 February 2023 • 9:50pm

Ben Wallace

Ben Wallace said the development was ‘another sign of how the global threat picture is changing for the worse’ CREDIT: Andreas Solaro/AFP
Britain will undertake a security review in the wake of the incursion of Chinese spy balloons into Western airspace, the Defence Secretary has said.
Ben Wallace will work with the US and other close partners to analyse intelligence and assess the dangers posed by the balloons.
The review will be used to help decide whether any changes need to be made to the surveillance of British airspace. MPs have warned that balloons may have already crossed over the UK, a possibility the Ministry of Defence has refused to rule out.
It comes amid increasing fears over the threat from China as the US on Sunday night shot down a fourth suspected spy balloon in just over a week.
On Sunday night, Mr Wallace said: “The UK and her allies will review what these airspace intrusions mean for our security. This development is another sign of how the global threat picture is changing for the worse.”
Rishi Sunak, the Prime Minister, is under mounting pressure to take a harder line on China. On Friday, Liz Truss is set to warn of the threat from Beijing in her first public speech since quitting Downing Street.
Last week, the White House said Chinese balloons had been spotted over five continents – but did not reveal where.
The first balloon was spotted floating over military installations in North Carolina, and shot down last Saturday. A smaller balloon was shot down over Alaska on Friday, followed by another one on Saturday over the Canadian province of Yukon.
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On Sunday, the US military said it had downed another unidentified object flying over Lake Huron, which divides the US state of Michigan and the Canadian province of Ontario.
China claimed it was preparing to shoot down an object near its coast, but gave no further information.
Mr Wallace has previously said that if one of the balloons was sighted over the UK, he would shoot it down.
Alicia Kearns, who chairs the Commons foreign affairs select committee, said: “British airspace is protected by an exceptional quick reaction force, which has proved itself very capable against unknown and hostile aircraft.
“The US will share with us and Five Eyes allies its conclusions on the capabilities of the Chinese balloons, and at that point an internal review of our ability to identify, track, disrupt and destroy these balloons will be undertaken.”
The spy balloons are the latest development in the UK’s increasingly fractious relationship with China.
Two years ago, Britain ordered 5G mobile networks to eliminate technology from the Chinese firm Huawei over security concerns, and there are claims that the country’s Confucius Institutes are being used to spread Communist Party propaganda and spy on students in British universities.
Last year, government departments were banned from installing Chinese CCTV equipment at “sensitive sites” due to national security concerns. It came after a Hikvision camera caught then-Health Minister Matt Hancock embracing his lover in his office.
Sir Iain Duncan Smith, the former Tory leader, urged the government to stop “kowtowing” to Beijing, citing as an example the Foreign Office inviting the governor of Xinjiang province for a meeting even though he has been accused of human rights abuses against Uiygurs.
Sir Iain will take part in a protest outside the Foreign Office on Monday and has backed calls for Erkin Tuniyaz to be arrested if he sets foot in the country.
He urged the government to “come clean” over whether spy balloons have been spotted over the UK, adding: “China looks at us and sees we are weak. It is ludicrous for Rishi Sunak to say when he is standing for the leadership that he wants to characterise China as a strategic threat, but then say it is just a strategic challenge.”

Tobias Ellwood, the chairman of the Commons defence select committee, said that if Parliament was sitting he would be raising a question on whether the balloons had been seen above the UK.
He said: “I want to know – if this is what China is doing, what is our response? This is intrusion and intelligence-gathering. There are some big questions to be asked across Nato. I would encourage the Government to provide assurances that our skies are patrolled and that there is no infiltration at high altitude.”
Mr Ellwood also called on Jeremy Hunt, the Chancellor, to increase defence spending in next month’s Budget amid claims Mr Wallace is asking for at least £10 billion more.
He said: “The defence committee warned a year ago that our armed forces were now too small to meet our security obligations, given the growing threats on the horizon.
“We’ve consistently called for an increase in defence spending but instead we’ve witnessed scything cuts to our sea, land and air assets.
“When the US military says we no longer have a tier one army and Germany raises concerns about us meeting our Nato obligations, it’s time to stop being in denial. As the world becomes more dangerous we need to spend more on defence.”

 
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