Logistic Vehicle Modernization Project - Replacing everything from LUVW to SHLVW

[PrairieFella]

I’ve driven German GWagons it’s still a piece of shit. Your suffering rectal cranial inversion if you think the Hummer is a crap Mil vehicle.

I think you're so America-brained you simply can't accept there are better options than stuff from the US of A. Not one American I've worked with liked the Humvee. Poor ergonomics, shitty offroad, poor kit storage, poor reliability. The civvie Hummer was shitty off the line, they put an inline 5 in what is basically a super duty. No shit it was gutless. At least the real old ones had some beefy V8s but they had terrible safety ratings and their fuel economy was something like 4km to the litre.

 

[KevinB]

I have zero experience with civilian versions. I have a fair bit of experience with Canadian and US Mil and some foreign mil vehicles though. I’m also old enough to remember the jeeps and the Iltis when it was new to the CAF.

Pre GWOT the Hummers were fantastic, the GMVW versions where in GWOT too (albeit the patrol bumper was aluminum so you couldn’t ram with it) The Hummer got clobbered when it was armored then unarmored, as it was designed for a 2.5t load but not 2.5t armor and people and combat load.

 

[suffolkowner]

speaking of hummers

https://twitter.com/x/status/1794895654776623151

• General Dynamics - Eagle• Oshkosh - JLTV• Thales - Hawkei

 

[PrairieFella]

speaking of hummers

https://twitter.com/x/status/1794895654776623151

• General Dynamics - Eagle• Oshkosh - JLTV• Thales - Hawkei

The MOWAG eagle V could be interesting. Made by GDLS so there's definitely an industry "in" there.

 

[Alco]

The civvie Hummer was shitty off the line, they put an inline 5 in what is basically a super duty.

Please, at least get the facts straight. The civilian Hummer H1 was powered by a 6.2l gm V8 diesel, not an inline 5. It also wasn't based off a Super Duty as you claim. It was based off the original mil spec Hummer. When GM took the option on the Hummer name, they introduced the H2 which was based off a GM 2500HD truck.....again, not a Super Duty. It had engine options of either a 6.0l V8, or a 6.2l V8....still not an inline 5.

 

[PrairieFella]

Please, at least get the facts straight. The civilian Hummer H1 was powered by a 6.2l gm V8 diesel, not an inline 5. It also wasn't based off a Super Duty as you claim. It was based off the original mil spec Hummer. When GM took the option on the Hummer name, they introduced the H2 which was based off a GM 2500HD truck.....again, not a Super Duty. It had engine options of either a 6.0l V8, or a 6.2l V8....still not an inline 5.

Super Duty is a lack of precision on my part. I don't mean super duty as in the ford truck, I mean super duty as in the heaviest class of pickup truck. Officially it's known as heavy duty. My bad there. In terms of the I5, I didn't specify a model, I'm talking the H3 there which had two variants with the GM Atlas, an I5.

 

[Alco]

Super Duty is a lack of precision on my part. I don't mean super duty as in the ford truck, I mean super duty as in the heaviest class of pickup truck. Officially it's known as heavy duty. My bad there. In terms of the I5, I didn't specify a model, I'm talking the H3 there which had two variants with the GM Atlas, an I5.

The H3 has absolutely nothing to do with the Hummers built by AM General. Why you would even reference it in a discussion about an AM General built truck is beyond me. Incidentally, the H2 was not built on the heaviest class of pickup. That would be a one ton. It was built based on a hybrid of a three-quarter-ton truck in the front and a half-ton frame in the rear.

 

[Brad Sallows]

I think you're so America-brained you simply can't accept there are better options than stuff from the US of A. Not one American I've worked with liked the Humvee. Poor ergonomics, shitty offroad, poor kit storage, poor reliability. The civvie Hummer was shitty off the line, they put an inline 5 in what is basically a super duty. No shit it was gutless. At least the real old ones had some beefy V8s but they had terrible safety ratings and their fuel economy was something like 4km to the litre.

You guys will have to be specific about which version(s) you're talking about.

I'm not America-brained, and I only met a handful of people who regularly drove a Humvee, and they all loved them (pre-2001 time frame).