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Laser Eye Surgery

Should the CF's medical plan cover laser eye surgery

  • Yes

    Votes: 31 56.4%
  • No

    Votes: 6 10.9%
  • For regular force only

    Votes: 18 32.7%
  • Other opnion listed below

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    55

Jarnhamar

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We've all heard how the CF will not cover laser eye surgery for it's soldiers, do you think they should?

We've heard how the CF has paid for at least one member to get a sex change operation and how at least one another soldier got breast enlargement in order to help her self esteem (as the rumor goes).  Correct me if I'm wrong, men can get Viagra and hair (re?)growth pills under the medical plan.

Is including laser eye surgery  a bad idea?
Is the price of laser eye surgery compared to how much the CF spends per year on prescription glasses & ballistic glasses inserts worth it?
 
I think they should considering the lifetime cost of glasses, including gas mask and ballistic glasses.  Not to mention it makes a soldier better able to concentrate on the job at hand without fixing or constantly cleaning eyeglasses.  I can say unequivocally that since I've had mine down I've been more effective at certain things.  Glasses break, get in the way, fog up and are a general nuisance all around.  Contacts are at best a stop gap measure to avoid some of the issues that glasses bring in a field/operational setting.  Besides they bring a whole host of other issues to the table.  Laser eye surgery is highly effective with few side effects.  The American military uses it to great effect.
 
Flawed Design said:
We've heard how the CF has paid for at least one member to get a sex change operation

I"ve seen her. She looks like my old grade 11 English teacher... Mrs Nolies is that you?

Really dumbfound our platoon last summer.


;D
 
I definately think so too! Then there are no worries about glasses or contacts. From what I have been reading here, it sounds to me like it would be hard to choose between glasses or contacts as it is because of the drawbacks they both seem to have. Hopefully they will consider this for any Soldier that needs help with vision.

~Rebecca~
 
Flawed Design said:
We've all heard how the CF will not cover laser eye surgery for it's soldiers, do you think they should?

We've heard how the CF has paid for at least one member to get a sex change operation and how at least one another soldier got breast enlargement in order to help her self esteem (as the rumor goes). 

Un...huh...
http://www.forces.gc.ca/health/services/spectrum_of_care/engraph/med_ser_excluded_e.asp
MEDICAL SERVICES EXCLUDED FROM ENTITLEMENT

b. most services provided for purely cosmetic purposes or dictated by other than a medical requirement. Some of the excluded services are:

    (1) removal of wrinkles,
    (2) excision or dermabrasion of tattoos and scars, except as a result of injury or surgery,
    (3) capillary graft to correct hereditary alopecia (hair loss),
    (4) electrolysis, except for pathological hirsutism or folliculitis,
    (5) correction of a congenital deformity, except if it causes significant physical symptoms,
    (6) excision of excess adipose tissue,
    (7) any type of laser eye therapy: orthokeratology, radial keratotomy, or photo refractive keratotomy, and
      8 - breast implants. 


And lets be fair, it's not:
how the CF will not cover laser eye surgery
  Nobody covers it.
Not one single province.  Not even private health insurance plans will cover the full cost.

example: Sunlife Canada

$150 total towards eyewear, contact lenses or laser eye surgery every 2 years for each person.



 
And that's the key right there.

The CF has no say in what medical procedures it covers or does not cover. It is all based on the provincial health care plans. Essentially, if one province covers it, the CF has no choice (the way the rules are currently written) than to cover the procedure/drug/device, etc.

You want the CF to pay for it, I suggest you start lobbying your provincial Health Minister to add it to their list.

Wook
 
Also... Laser eye surgery will only work on eople who have minus (-) prescriptions -there is no such procedure for people with plus (+) prescriptions. 

Minus: they shave a little bit off the top
Plus:  it's impossible to add somethingto an eye..............
 
The CF may not cover the cost through its own medical program, but you can get a CFPAF loan IOT get the procedure done.  I have also heard there is no more 6 month Temp Cat when you have it done.  Don't believe me? go ask your base CFPAF loan officer and they will let you know how.
 
http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/content/full/161/7/857

Cost cutting has been the key to staying competitive, which means fees have dropped significantly in recent years. The Lasik Vision Corp. now charges Canadian patients (Cdn.)$999 for LASIK (laser in situ keratomileusis) surgery for both eyes, down from $4800 in 1997 and $2995 in 1998. For American patients, the price is (US)$999. When the company first cut its price to $1498 last year, says James Watson, the vice-president of marketing, business "doubled overnight." Many clinics now offer bank-supported financing plans to help patients cover the cost.
 
Tracker 23A said:
The CF may not cover the cost through its own medical program, but you can get a CFPAF loan IOT get the procedure done.  I have also heard there is no more 6 month Temp Cat when you have it done.  Don't believe me? go ask your base CFPAF loan officer and they will let you know how.
Matter of fact, I know an MWO who was due for his CWO.  His eye prescription was such that he no longer met the Med standard for CWO... he got the Laser surgery done & got his CWOs but, the alternative mighta been bye, bye....
 
Tracker 23A said:
I have also heard there is no more 6 month Temp Cat when you have it done.  


The highlighted part being very important.  The trouble with "i have heard" is that it usualy indicates inaccurate or incomplete information.  Anyone in an aircrew MOC other than pilot, will ( last i read) be grounded for 6 months after the procedure. There could be rstrictions for other trades as well.
 
old medic said:
http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/content/full/161/7/857
Cost cutting has been the key to staying competitive, which means fees have dropped significantly in recent years. The Lasik Vision Corp. now charges Canadian patients (Cdn.)$999 for LASIK (laser in situ keratomileusis) surgery for both eyes, down from $4800 in 1997 and $2995 in 1998. For American patients, the price is (US)$999. When the company first cut its price to $1498 last year, says James Watson, the vice-president of marketing, business "doubled overnight." Many clinics now offer bank-supported financing plans to help patients cover the cost.

I got mine done in 2000.  Faced with a possibly career-ending change in my medical category, it's the best money I've ever spent.
 
cdnaviator said:
The highlighted part being very important.  The trouble with "i have heard" is that it usualy indicates inaccurate or incomplete information.  Anyone in an aircrew MOC other than pilot, will ( last i read) be grounded for 6 months after the procedure. There could be rstrictions for other trades as well.

Well in the army world, infantry specific, the standard waiting period of 6 months that we all know you had to wait while placed on Temp Cat after receiving LASIK has been removed and now a simple eye exam a few days afterwards is the norm.

 
I believe that is because the methods used are less invasive than in the past and much more reliable.  Or so my friend in Med school tells me.

(spelling!!)
 
The TCat of 6 months is still the standard.

However, specifically referring to LASIK and PRK, the policy is the person will be on a 6 month TCat OR until the eyes stabilize. In my case, it was just over two months (and about 4-5 eye exams by the people that did my surgery and an old-fashioned eye test in the MIR) and I was off TCat.

The mapping technology they have improved on is simply amazing. It is very rare to get night halo's anymore, but dry eyes is still the most prevalent side effect.
 
TN2IC said:
I"ve seen her. She looks like my old grade 11 English teacher... Mrs Nolies is that you?

Really dumbfound our platoon last summer.


;D
I've seen him as well.  He does not look attractive at all; however, that covers all men in the forces I've seen :D


(btw: that person still has man DNA, therefore, is still a man, cosmetic surgery notwithstanding)
 
    (7) any type of laser eye therapy: orthokeratology, radial keratotomy, or photo refractive keratotomy, and
      8 - breast implants. 

Right Old Medic but in this (recent) case wasn't the girl given  the breast implants because she had low self esteem issues and the MO felt that breat implants would help with this- thus making it non cosmetic or something.

I understand that the army covers what other health plans cover and such and no other health plan covers laser eye surgery but honesty I consider laser eye surgery for serving military members a whole new ball park.

Seems like there isn't a decent argument against the surgery.
It's unfortinuate for people who are in the +'s you can still fix everyone who is in the -'s right?
 
CF H Svcs Gp Policy and Guidance

Laser Eye Surgery

Document Status: Document Type: Policy Number: Original Source:  Approval: SME: OPI: Effective Date:Last Reviewed: Interim GuidanceGuidance4020-01N/AD H Svcs DelD H Svcs Del – SSO D & T SvcsD H Svcs Del – SSO D & T SvcsFebruary 200609 Sep 06

Background

1. Kerato-refractive surgery including radial keratotomy and photoablative keratectomy (laser eye surgery) are considered to be medically unnecessary procedures that fall outside the Spectrum of Care (SoC).  These procedures fall under the realm of voluntary and elective medical procedures.  As such, members who choose to undergo these procedures do so at their own cost.  Annual leave is required for the procedure, any period of convalescence, and follow up.  All costs for consultation, follow up, home care, supplies etc are the responsibility of the member.  See medications section for specific details.  However, in the event of a significant medical complication, sick leave and subsequent costs will qualify under the Spectrum of Care.
2. Where glasses are required, they will not be supplied until the member returns to full duty status.

3. Historically, members that underwent kerato-refractive surgery were required to be placed on a temporary category.  However, Surg Gen Directive 3/92 Kerato-Refractive Surgery, the key document that outlined the requirement for a change of medical category, has been cancelled.  There is no intention at this time to develop a specific policy for a mandatory medical category for laser eye surgery except for aircrew and divers.
Abstract

4. This policy provides interim guidance for CF H Svcs Gp personnel providing advice and care to those CF members considering laser eye surgery on a wholly voluntary and elective basis.

Policy

5. Members who choose to undergo laser eye surgery will be treated the same as for any other medical procedure.  As mentioned above, a temporary category is not automatically required except for Aircrew and Divers.  The Opthalmologist should, where required and appropriate, provide draft specific medical employment limitations (MELs) and requirements for follow-up.  The treating ophthalmologists recommendations will provide a framework for decisions regarding temporary category status as determined by the Medical Officer.   For example, although specific studies have not been conducted, considerations for MELs include waiting at least one month post-surgery before undergoing CS Gas hut training and use of RSDL training lotion.  Such brief limitations could be reasonably conveyed using a CF 2018.

Aircrew

6. Pilots are not authorized to undergo laser eye surgery. However, non pilot Aircrew may undergo laser eye surgery as outlined in the Flight Surgeon Guidelines. Divers are treated in much the same way as Aircrew, and cases for both groups need to be reviewed by the Aerospace and Undersea Medical Board (AUMB).

Medications

7. Medications are not normally covered under the SoC for voluntary and elective procedures such as laser eye surgery. When a member presents to a civilian pharmacy, however, there is no mechanism in place to identify the procedure for which the prescription is written, and as a result the prescriptions are filled if available on the Drug Benefit List. Effective immediately, in an effort to ensure that all military personnel receive a consistent standard of care, medications for laser eye surgery will be covered under SoC only if they are listed on the CF Drug Benefit List until further review of this issue is conducted.

Outstanding Issues – Requirement for a Broader Policy on All Elective/Voluntary Medical Procedures

8. D Med Pol – Policy is currently drafting a policy regarding all voluntary and elective procedures.  This policy will address a number of outstanding issues in greater clarity,  such as the member's obligation to inform the CO that MELs may be instituted following a period of leave. This requirement to inform the CO is the case for other out of spectrum of care elective surgeries such as cosmetic surgery.  When a member proceeds on annual leave for the purposes of such procedures and does not inform the CO ahead of time, there is a potential for a negative impact on operations.  QR&Os may eventually need to be amended to reflect the member's obligation to inform the CO. At present, no such direction exists. Ideally, the patient would report to a Health Care Provider (HCP) to determine whether the procedure is covered under the SoC.  Where the procedure is not covered, the HCP can advise the patient regarding his/her responsibility for all costs for the procedure/ medications etc and follow up as well as the requirement to take annual vs sick leave.  There is also an opportunity to discuss possible career/ medical/ administrative implications in the case of an adverse event and to direct the patient on what to do in the event of complications arising from the surgery.  Informed consent may be obtained to have the medical records transferred to the CF.  The HCP can then advise the CO of anticipated MELs, and the CO and the member can work out the optimal timing for the procedure.

Future Direction

9. The feasibility of covering laser eye surgery under the SoC has been discussed in the past and will likely continue to be revisited.  However, there are no immediate plans to offer laser eye surgery through the SoC.

References

A. CF Spectrum of Care

B. ADM(HR-Mil) Voluntary and Elective Procedures (in draft)

      Current interim policy on laser eye surgery above. Still not covered by CF. It is a members voluntary decision to have the procedure but you must let your chain of command know as it may effect your employment. T Cat may not be required, MO will decide that based on Opth report and recommendations and pending any post operative complications.
 
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