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Kids football team could be stuck in cave for months

Loachman said:
But can they do it under water, which I understand is somewhat muddy, in the dark, while wearing breathing apparatus?

Having watch 3rd worlders work in the mining business, I would say they could achieve more than you expect, because they are willing to take greater risks and do stuff most Canadians won't.

One thing they could do on the surface is attempt to figure out what are the major sources of water coming in and divert them away, meaning the pumps can achieve more impact.
 
Colin P said:
One thing they could do on the surface is attempt to figure out what are the major sources of water coming in and divert them away, meaning the pumps can achieve more impact.

I believe torrential rain is one of those major sources.
 
Colin P said:
Having watch 3rd worlders work in the mining business, I would say they could achieve more than you expect, because they are willing to take greater risks and do stuff most Canadians won't.

And, sadly, one of them is now dead:

Thai cave rescuer dies from lack of oxygen

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/thai-cave-rescue-nave-seal-death-oxygen-1.4736079?cid=

 
It's never too early to start capitalizing on disaster.  (That's sarcasm for those who can't pickup on the tone)


https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/asia/disaster-cave-slated-thailands-next-tourist-attraction.html
Disaster cave to be next tourist attraction

By Bangkok Post 4 July 2018

BANGKOK — The Tourism Authority of Thailand (TAT) plans to promote Tham Luang cave in Chiang Rai province as a key attraction after its time in the global spotlight, which climaxed with the missing soccer team of 13 being found alive on Monday night.

Karuna Dechatiwong, director of TAT’s Chiang Rai office, said the agency will work with local authorities and the private sector to promote the cave and other attractive nearby venues as it anticipates a number of tourists will flock to the area in the near future.

“After the rescue team found the 12 young soccer players and their coach on Monday night, the cave has become of interest for both local and foreign travelers,” Karuna said.

She said people may want travel and activity information before visiting the area, and the agency is ready to work out a route to the cave and other destinations in Chiang Rai.

The tranquil and beautiful cave in Khun Nam Nang Non Forest Park in Mae Sai district is suited to the summer season, but permission from authorities is needed before entering in the rainy season.

Initially, TAT is considering creating a new route not only to promote the cave but also nearby communities such as a village that makes mulberry tree paper, an Isan Lanna community, and a community that produces seed tea.

All the communities are located along the road in between Chiang Rai town and Mae Sai on the border with Myanmar.

TAT will ask local administrations to prepare tourism management, improve safety standards and upgrade services, she said.

The promotion of Chiang Rai province as an adventure destination was also floated by Tourism and Sports Minister Weerasak Kowsurat and Chiang Rai Governor Narongsak Osot-Thanakorn. The two also talked with hotels and transport companies in Chiang Rai to arrange an appreciation trip specifically for the rescue teams.

TAT Chiang Rai reported the province attracted 2.7 million tourists last year and generated tourism income of nearly 30 billion baht (US$905 million). The number of visitors is expected to increase gradually as the province also plans to promote elderly tourism along with adventure and cross-border tourism.

Earlier this year, the renovated river port in Chiang Saen was opened to serve higher demand from southern China.
 
Blackadder1916 said:
It's never too early to start capitalizing on disaster. 

"Disaster cave to be next tourist attraction"

Reminds me of a cave incident years ago.

Media attention
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floyd_Collins#Media_attention
"Shortly after the media arrived, the publicity drew crowds of tourists to the site, at one point numbering in the tens of thousands. Vendors set up stalls to sell food and souvenirs, creating a circus-like atmosphere."

Exhibition of the body
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floyd_Collins#Burial_and_exhibition_of_body
"The new owner placed Collins' body in a glass-topped coffin and exhibited it in Crystal Cave for many years."
 
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/984556/Thai-cave-rescue-Thailand-football-team-latest-update-rescue-options-video

thai-cave-rescue-news-thailand-football-team-trapped-984556.jpg
 
At this point a successful egress from the cave is unlikely.The loss of some or all of the team is possible barring a miracle.If they get heavy rains just remaining in place may not be possible.
 
My hat is truly off to the rescuers & all personnel involved in the rescue effort.  Talk about high stakes, high stress. 

Planning possibilities always seems easier when your not involved.  My initial thoughts were "can't they just hose oxygen into there steadily, deploy a guide rope with some lights on it, and relay them out from one diver to another?"  But then I realized if it were that easy, they probably would have done that already.  And then I learned more details about the situation.

Zero visibility water.  Inability of the boys to swim.  Unable to access certain parts without taking off their oxygen tanks.  Massive waters coming in.  Depleting oxygen levels.  Etc.

Regardless of the outcome, I think we need to recognize how hard these guys are working & how difficult of a job the leadership/rescuers have.  Sincere prayers coming from this end. 
 
A rescue might be in the offing as authorities have cleared the area around the cave.Elon Musk seems to think a mini sub might work so he is having one flown in. I don't know if they have time.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/thai-rescuers-evacuate-cave-area-rescue-bid-for-trapped-boys-seen-imminent/ar-AAzII8g?ocid=spartanntp
 
tomahawk6 said:
A rescue might be in the offing as authorities have cleared the area around the cave.Elon Musk seems to think a mini sub might work so he is having one flown in. I don't know if they have time.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/thai-rescuers-evacuate-cave-area-rescue-bid-for-trapped-boys-seen-imminent/ar-AAzII8g?ocid=spartanntp

Elon Musk is an idiot and, clearly, has never dived in a cave either. If you're having to squeeze sideways through two pieces of solid rock to move forward, in the dark at depth and under water, how will a sub get through?

This operation will be more difficult to complete without significant casualties than, say, Apollo 13. At least Lovell & Co. had access to air.

Gawd bless 'em... all
 
CBH99 said:
My hat is truly off to the rescuers & all personnel involved in the rescue effort.  Talk about high stakes, high stress. 

Planning possibilities always seems easier when your not involved.  My initial thoughts were "can't they just hose oxygen into there steadily, deploy a guide rope with some lights on it, and relay them out from one diver to another?"  But then I realized if it were that easy, they probably would have done that already.  And then I learned more details about the situation.

Zero visibility water.  Inability of the boys to swim.  Unable to access certain parts without taking off their oxygen tanks.  Massive waters coming in.  Depleting oxygen levels.  Etc.

Regardless of the outcome, I think we need to recognize how hard these guys are working & how difficult of a job the leadership/rescuers have.  Sincere prayers coming from this end.

Agreed. I can't even wrap my head around the kinds of constraints they must be facing. When I heard about how they had to take their oxygen tank off in some places to squeeze through, just madness... I'm a strong swimmer and I got all f**ked up breathing through a snorkel on on a damn pleasure voyage... I'd be sick thinking about doing what they are about to do. I certainly can't imagine a 12 year old that can't swim / scuba dive doing it.

Paying attention to all this with bated breath.

And to the divers that are about to attempt whatever the hell they are going to attempt... no words for it.  :salute:
 
Don't be Bill or Fred:

A deceptively easy way to die - Cave Diving 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1iaa04rCf0
 
daftandbarmy said:
Elon Musk is an idiot ... how will a sub get through?

1. I think he’s brilliant
2. You obviously didn’t read anything that Elon Musk tweeted about rescue methods. (Hint - he made it very clear that he did not literally mean a submarine.
3. Apparently the final product ended up being a sort of body bag made by a company called Wing Inflatables:

http://madriverunion.com/arcatas-wing-inflatables-spacex-collaborate-on-thailand-cave-rescue/
 
Apparently the first two boys are out. 


Good job so far.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/thai-cave-rescue-navy-dive-operation-1.4738333
 
Six are out and at hospital for a checkup.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/six-thai-schoolboys-rescued-from-flooded-cave/ar-AAzII8g?ocid=spartanntp
 
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/thai-cave-rescue-navy-dive-operation-1.4738771

8 boys brought out of flooded Thai cave in 'immense' rescue operation

1st group freed on Sunday said to be in good health

Thomson Reuters · Posted: Jul 09, 2018 1:54 AM ET | Last Updated: 24 minutes ago

The president of soccer's governing body, FIFA, has invited the boys to the World Cup final in Moscow on Sunday if they make it out in time.

 
Touching article on the coach...

https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/how-a-25yearold-former-monk-kept-the-thai-soccer-team-alive/news-story/46b657bf5e027611d34da5fb509062a4

 
All are out including the coach.The Thai Seals did it !!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/all-13-rescued-from-flooded-thai-cave-navy-seal-unit/ar-AAzPcqJ?ocid=spartandhp
 
tomahawk6 said:
All are out including the coach.The Thai Seals did it !!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/all-13-rescued-from-flooded-thai-cave-navy-seal-unit/ar-AAzPcqJ?ocid=spartandhp

Awesome.

now comes the revisionist movie where some made up American hero saves the day!
 
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