"In it with Bush" Ottawa Citizen Article

[kilekaldar]

"We're in it with Bush"
It's time to rid ourselves of the fiction that the war in Afghanistan has nothing to do with the 'U.S.-led war in Iraq'
Michael Mandel, Citizen Special
Published: Monday, March 17, 2008

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/opinion/story.html?id=efa8fbc9-3ac4-4ffb-a2f7-4dc9edd1e8b3


Any reactions from the well informed?
Considering that this guy wrote a book called "How America gets away with Murder." I think he's a little Bush obsessed.

 

[slowmode]

This guy sounds like my politics teacher , Every single notes/handouts we have got so far are "why is bush bad" .....just no comment

 

[George Wallace]

It is "Conspiracy Theorists" like this, being passed off as legitimate Reporters by the Ottawa Citizen that has turned me off of that publication.  The Ottawa Sun, believe it or not, has better coverage and more thought out editorials.......................and the Sun Girl.  ;D

 

[a_majoor]

"We're in it with Bush"
It's time to rid ourselves of the fiction that the war in Afghanistan has nothing to do with the 'U.S.-led war in Iraq'
Michael Mandel, Citizen Special
Published: Monday, March 17, 2008

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/opinion/story.html?id=efa8fbc9-3ac4-4ffb-a2f7-4dc9edd1e8b3


Any reactions from the well informed?
Considering that this guy wrote a book called "How America gets away with Murder." I think he's a little Bush obsessed.

 

[Yrys]

Sheez,

doesn't she know that tin-foil hats are overrated :-\ ?

The effectiveness of the tinfoil hat as electromagnetic shielding for stopping radio waves is greatly reduced by the fact that it is not a complete enclosure.

Note to her : must change said tinfoil hat for tinfoil costume  ;D



* notice to readers : if you think you read that somewhere, yep. I plagiarist myself 

 

[Celticgirl]

It's articles like this one that perpetuate beliefs such as that we are participating in the Iraq War and that the Afghanistan mission is "Bush's war".  :

 

[slowmode]

It is "Conspiracy Theorists" like this, being passed off as legitimate Reporters by the Ottawa Citizen that has turned me off of that publication.  The Ottawa Sun, believe it or not, has better coverage and more thought out editorials.......................and the Sun Girl.  ;D

  Well, some of the sun girls...

But ya i've been reading a lot of conspiracy theory's in the ottawa sun the last couple of years. its not what it use to be.

 

[MarkOttawa]

A letter sent to the Ottawa Citizen March 18 and so far not published:

Michael Mandel, in his article about Afghanistan ("We're in it with Bush", March 17), claims that "ISAF [Interntional Security Assistance Force] does not answer directly to OEF  [US Operation Enduring Freedon] but must defer to it."  That is not true.

ISAF is directly subordinate to NATO's Allied Joint Force Command Headquarters in The Netherlands, led by German General Egon Ramms.  That headquarters is itself under NATO's Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe (SHAPE) in Belgium, led by US General John Craddock.  But SHAPE itself is under the political direction of NATO's North Atlantic Council, the organization's senior decision-making body.  There is no requirement for ISAF to "defer" to OEF in this command structure; if there were I'm sure we would have heard about it from the German general mentioned above--not to mention various members of the Council such as the French.

When Mr Mandel goes on to write that all foreign troops in Afghanistan "...in essence...are under permanent American command..." he is simply continuing his disingenuous effort to turn readers against Canada's Afghan mission by further stressing the Yankee bogey man.

It should be kept in mind that, while the current ISAF comander Gen. Dan McNeill is American, his predecessor was British Gen. David Richards.  Hardly "permanent American command".

References:
http://www.nato.int/isaf/structure/comstruc/index.html
http://www.nato.int/shape/bios/saceur/mission_saceur.htm
http://www.nato.int/issues/isaf/index.html
http://www.nato.int/docu/handbook/2001/hb070101.htm
http://www.nato.int/isaf/docu/pressreleases/2007/02-february/pr070204-086.html

Mark
Ottawa

 

[Panzer Grenadier]

And these people are allowed to breed!?

 

[Yrys]

And theses people are allowed to breed!?

Everyone is allowed to breed. After all, we're not talking about driving a vehicle here  : !

 

[MarkOttawa]

I might also have mentioned OEF's strange inability to command ISAF's German, Italian, French and Spanish troops to engage in RC South.

Mark
Ottawa

 

[KLW]

Iraq is Bush's war and Bush's alone.

Afghanistan is everyones war,although most everyone else is not contributing,but you can't blame them when Afghanistan should've been concluded long ago by enough US troops who were instead sent to conquer Iraq.

Barack Obama will set things right.

 

[aesop081]

Barack Obama will set things right.

IF he wins the presidential ellection.........IF

 

[Yrys]

Barack Obama will set things right.

IF he wins the presidential election

, he will be in a better position to make change.

But don't you think that saying that B.O. will set everyting right is making him to a savior that can only deceives his fans,
when it will be revealed that he's a human being ?

Nobody has all the solutions, AND can implement them all ...

 

[vonGarvin]

Barack Obama will set things right.

Actually, he would set things left.
As in "he left Iraq", and then wonder why the security issues in the Middle East is all messed up.  As Colin Powell once said "It's the pottery barn rule.  You break it, you buy it."
My money is on McCain. There are too many racists (closet racists) in the USA that would rather NOT vote for a black man as president.  
I'll admit that he gives a good speech.  Having said that, the ability to give a good speech, and the ability to be President of the USA are two very distinct skill sets.

 

[Yrys]

My money is on McCain. There are too many racists (closet racists) in the USA that would rather NOT vote for a black man as president.  

... and 25 % of Clinton voters  OFFICIALLY prefers Mc Cain

 

[aesop081]

My money is on McCain.

As is mine.

 

[MarkOttawa]

KLW:

Iraq is Bush's war and Bush's alone.

I suggest your read Tony Blair's March 18, 2003 speech in the Commons; left Bush in the dust, as it were:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2003/mar/18/foreignpolicy.iraq1

I saw it live on TV in England.  It was the most remarkable Parliamentary performance I have ever seen.  A man in command of his material and the House, in a way that no Canadian minister or MP I have seen has ever been.  A great talent, regardless of final judgments on the matter.

I could not find a video of his speech; if anyone else can please give the URL.

Mark
Ottawa

 

[a_majoor]

Barack Obama will set things right.

I notice that despite the soaring rhetoric of his public speeches, there are very few policy prescriptions or actual plans of how anything at all is going to be changed, much less US foreign policy. On the other hand, Senator Obama's telling the voters in Ohio one thing while dispatching his agents to tell the government of Canada the exact opposite, or his handling of the Rev Wright issue does not exactly fill me with confidence. (Of course, Senator Clinton is far ahead in the less than reliable department, so what she would actually do as president is also a mystery).

 

[KLW]

I've been following Obama's career since 2004 and I find him to be a good leader because of his substance and not his speeches.

He has been right about fighting Al Qaeda from the beginning and will do what needs to be done in Afghanistan,Pakistan and Somalia for starters.

Any Al Qaeda members that try to stay in Iraq after Barack pulls US troops out will be skinned alive if they're lucky.