Dress and Deportment
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Eye In The Sky said:
See what happens when the Chief is on leave?
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This stuff is getting beyond ridiculous!! :facepalm:
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daftandbarmy said:It's so.... so... American :
But, of course, this whole business of playing 'Mister Dressup' is decidedly British ...
... and that applies to the admiral in Eye In The Sky's post, too.
This disregard for uniform standards by senior officers seems deeply entrenched in our military culture. It manifests itself in everything from certain generals (most from a certain regiment) wearing their cap badge over the ear, à la the French army, rather than over the eye as prescribed in the regulations, to wearing a ball cap with No 1 order of dress. The message seems to be "I'm an admiral/general and the rules don't apply to me."
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I was there - he was wearing his peak cap during the parade itself. If you look carefully that’s not a black RCN ball cap; it’s a blue veteran association cap that was given to him at the end of the parade (the clip is of him thanking the participating group for it).Eye In The Sky said:
Now why they had SIX general salutes at the end of the parade...
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Monsoon said:
Amazing what a little context can give. Folks should be a little less quick to judge what they see on their screens.
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In follow-up, to replace the response I lost that I'd typed up last night.
The cap is an HMCS Kootenay hat - this year is the 50th anniversary of the engine room fire that killed several. The survivors have been highly recognized in the past few months - two of them recently received wound stripes. I've seen the scars on LS (Dinger) Bell's arms from where he climbed out of the engine room to escape the fire. He was almost knocked off the ladder by the man ahead of him, who fell back into the ER and died. Dinger was the last man out that morning, and that's another scar he carries.
Is it wrong that the Admiral is 'out of dress' on this parade? I don't think so. Not in this circumstance, especially since it was after the formal ceremony as described.
The cap is an HMCS Kootenay hat - this year is the 50th anniversary of the engine room fire that killed several. The survivors have been highly recognized in the past few months - two of them recently received wound stripes. I've seen the scars on LS (Dinger) Bell's arms from where he climbed out of the engine room to escape the fire. He was almost knocked off the ladder by the man ahead of him, who fell back into the ER and died. Dinger was the last man out that morning, and that's another scar he carries.
Is it wrong that the Admiral is 'out of dress' on this parade? I don't think so. Not in this circumstance, especially since it was after the formal ceremony as described.
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These men are the last overseas burials that the CAF ever did. Every member after them who died overseas was brought home to Canada.
They rest in Brookwood, just south-west of London. I visited them last summer and sent these photos on to the Kootenay survivor group.
They rest in Brookwood, just south-west of London. I visited them last summer and sent these photos on to the Kootenay survivor group.
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https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/nato-secretary-general-visits-canada-for-trudeau-meeting-base-tour?video_autoplay=true
I saw this photo of the Prime Minister and Secretary General of NATO at Petawawa and was appalled by the state of these troops. Hippie beards in various states of growth, different coloured boots and berets, overweight officers. Compare these soldiers to any company of US Marines or British troops chosen at random and our people look like a small town bowling league out for beer and wings.
If you put these guys into Confederate and Union Army uniforms you'd think they were a bunch of LARPs.
I've been out a couple of decades, so forgive my ignorance, but when did the Canadian Army stop looking like soldiers?
I saw this photo of the Prime Minister and Secretary General of NATO at Petawawa and was appalled by the state of these troops. Hippie beards in various states of growth, different coloured boots and berets, overweight officers. Compare these soldiers to any company of US Marines or British troops chosen at random and our people look like a small town bowling league out for beer and wings.
If you put these guys into Confederate and Union Army uniforms you'd think they were a bunch of LARPs.
I've been out a couple of decades, so forgive my ignorance, but when did the Canadian Army stop looking like soldiers?
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They look like soldiers, as well as one airman to me.
Some troops wear Army Blue berets, some black, and others green. Unless the guard is made up of all the same trade, from the same unit different colour berets is going to happen.
Beards aren't just for hippies anymore... and that officer likely soldiered in Afghanistan, so I'd say he's likely more than "soldierly" enough.
Some troops wear Army Blue berets, some black, and others green. Unless the guard is made up of all the same trade, from the same unit different colour berets is going to happen.
Beards aren't just for hippies anymore... and that officer likely soldiered in Afghanistan, so I'd say he's likely more than "soldierly" enough.
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Maybe when they had to stop 'looking' like soldiers and start fighting like soldiers.
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They look like crap. Slovenly in fact. The Officer's dress and deportment is atrocious.
Regarding beards, since BEARDFORGEN came out, a lot of people are growing beards. One thing I've noticed is almost nobody does a good job with their beard grooming. The beard line is supposed to be two fingers above the adam's apple and the cheeks should be clean.
Regarding beards, since BEARDFORGEN came out, a lot of people are growing beards. One thing I've noticed is almost nobody does a good job with their beard grooming. The beard line is supposed to be two fingers above the adam's apple and the cheeks should be clean.
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dangerboy said:
Well it's not like this is as important as sombodies ego-massaging change of command parade. :
Funny, I'm one of the dinosaurs on this site and all I care about there is that if something went boom, I could count on them to know what to do.....not that they look 'purty.
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Bruce Monkhouse said:Well it's not like this is as important as sombodies ego-massaging change of command parade. :
Funny, I'm one of the dinosaurs on this site and all I care about there is that if something went boom, I could count on them to know what to do.....not that they look 'purty.
There needs to be a balance or understanding though. Ones ability to look presentable on a parade square does not detract from ones ability to be a lethal fighting man. Why cant be professional in both areas ?
I concur this picture paints a terrible picture. Why were No1s not made the dress for this ?
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Sorry, I did mean to put that with my post. No way they should be in combats for this....it's a setup to fail from whomever made the call.
But no one's fault on that square.
But no one's fault on that square.
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I guess the dress chosen was a concession to the reality that those folks had jobs they were doing before the VIPs arrived, and jobs to return to after they left. It's good to see that the days of spending a week (or more) doing nothing but preparing for low-impact turn-out parades like this are in the past at Pet, at least.Halifax Tar said:
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Bruce Monkhouse said:Well it's not like this is as important as sombodies ego-massaging change of command parade. :
Funny, I'm one of the dinosaurs on this site and all I care about there is that if something went boom, I could count on them to know what to do.....not that they look 'purty.
Then why have uniforms at all? If it doesn't matter what they look like then why not let the troops dress like a bunch of Congolese mercenaries? Military and police are the armed representatives of the state. That's an incredibly important role in a free society and how they present themselves to the public matters because first impressions matter. When a member of the public sees lumpy, slovenly looking soldiers on parade, or tattooed, lumberjack-beard wearing cops directing traffic it weakens public confidence in those institutions. And those institutions derive their legitimacy from that very same public.
I don't care if the one of those soldiers is a Victoria Cross winner. You wouldn't know it to look at any of them and that's all the public sees. Serious institutions like the UK/US Marines, British Guard Regiments, etc. understand that. We used to understand that in Canada but seem to have forgotten it.
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Monsoon said:
Horseswallop. A couple hours practice the day before. Shine your boots the night before, have a uniform ready or do your own ironing, and get a haircut and trim the beard the night before.
Its not that fricken difficult folks. :facepalm:
Also this seems to be the current CDS MO. There was a guard at Esquimalt and everyone was in combats at his insistence. Bloody embarrassing.
