CME and RCE Cap badges

[zerhash]

lol well if it took that long too get our tac vest imagine changeing all our cap badges and DEUs or whatever else you wanted to change.

i think we deserve it though...
what major battles have the engineers not been involved in?
other regiments get feathers on their cap etc and we dont have nothing to commemorate the blood lost

im not complaining, but i think we deserve the recognition

 

[Veterans son]

Great message, zerhash!

 

[Kat Stevens]

Don't hold yer breath, lads.   It's all well and good to knight Sir Elton-Hello-Sailor-John, or Paul Mc-Look-At-How-Rich-I-Am-Cartney, to actually recognize deserving, blood spilling Sappers, is another thing entirely.   Excuse the bitterness, bad day.

Kat

 

[zerhash]

its ok Kat

John and paul will never be sappers anyways

but wasnt it some prince who was an engineer and requested our march past song be wings?

who was that prince? Please dont say charles...

 

[Kat Stevens]

He was one of Good Queen Vickie's numerous offspring.  He's also responsible for our motto.  As the story goes, he was in the Mess getting a good old fashioned bollocking from some Guards officers about the Engineers lack of colours.  He cried to Mumsy, who set the heralds on the task of a solution. Out came the idea that Engineer colours would need a standard bearer roughly 11 feet tall, weighing around 500 lbs to be able to carry it. Voila; UBIQUE.  It was further noted that , as applied to Sappers, the word means "EVERYWHERE".  The definition as applied to the Artillery is " All Over The Place".

Chimo, Kat

 

[Veterans son]

  Let the Fd Engrs..excuse me Cbt Engrs...get the title RCE back. All the 600 series trades can stay CME in keeping with their ability to be posted to the other elements read AF Engrs, Engineering Services. 1 CEU, etc. Keep the same cap badge, just change out the shoulder titles, slip ons, etc. Or if that is not satisfactory then say that all Sappers wearing a green uniform are now RCE and the Blue jobs get CME?
  It would be best to just change the whole shooting match. They brought back distinctive uniforms etc, why not as recognition of the blood and sweat shed allow a return to RCE? Let the navy return to RCN and the AF to RCAF? How much effort and money is really required to change?

Thoughts?

SprCForr

Great Ideas!
It would be so great to bring back the Royal Canadian Engineers!

 

[Kat Stevens]

Great idea, but you guys are missing an important piece of the pie.  The political trend in Canada since Trudeau ran the military into the rhubarb, has been to separate Canada from association with Britain.  The Royal Cypher will never be restored, sadly.  As I stated in an earlier post, The Infantry/Armd/Arty Regimental Associations have the clout at the Puzzle Palace that the Engineers do not, and therefore have delayed their De-Royaling (my word, pat. pend.).  Also note that we are the only Combat Arm that wears that dreadful cloth hatbadge.

 

[McG]

RCR, R22eR, and the gunners seem to have cloth hat badges now too.

 

[Kat Stevens]

When did this happen? I've only been gone 2 years........sad to see it happen, but it was going to eventually...Another nail in the coffin....

 

[Veterans son]

RCR, R22eR, and the gunners seem to have cloth hat badges now too.

I think the metal Engineers cap badges looked nicer, in my opinion!
I wonder if they will bring the Engineers metal cap badges back even if they do not rename
them RCE?

 

[zerhash]

lol enough cornflakes for me

id rather a capbadge that stays on my cap

 

[Kat Stevens]

The cloth badges were brought in purely as a money saving measure.  It took me over a year to earn my metal badge, and it tore me up to retire it.  The best thing Fred Noseworthy ever did for 1 CER was to refuse the cloth badges until they made them better.  The early ones were truly an embarrasement.  Metal badges stay in easily enough... there's a trick...

 

[SprCForr]

Ian,

<flashback> Mister Mushrow Makes Marching Marvelous! :blotto:

Jeff

 

[Kat Stevens]

Sign on the 1CER orderly room tent on RV .....SCORE; RSM 15, Morale 0

 

[SprCForr]

Fred the great white gopher hunter and Pete the sidekick with a camera! The dynamic duo.

 

[Kat Stevens]

Hey Jeff
  Don't forget Pete's speed traps, "Drug use surveilance tapes", And the Wainwright Fire that burned on a straight trajectory all the way to Tumor Tavern....AHH memories...lol

  Ian

 

[Veterans son]

Another question.

When did the cloth badges replace the metal hat badges for the CME please?

 

[Kat Stevens]

Late '84, early '85, to the best of my recollection...

 

[Veterans son]

Thanks for your reply, Kat!

 

[prada]

Hi

As a member of The Durand Group - a Canadian endorsed team of British sub-terranean military and civilian specialists investigating the tunnels and subways under Vimy Ridge and Beaumont Hamel - I can confirm that no WW1 Canadian Tunnelling Comapanies were involved whatsoever in their construction.  All three Canadian units were operational elsewhere - notable in Flanders.  The graffitti found in these underground features may well have a large percentage of Canadian content - 2CMR, 4CMR PPCLI etc but these are the markings of infantry who passed through them during the successful 9th April attack on the Ridge in 1917 when 13 subways were thus utilised for safe passage to the front lines.  Virtually all the deep fighting tunnels, some of them of French origin, were in place before the Canadian Corps reached Vimy at the end of 1916.  The Subways themselves were also well progressed and although some Canadian labour may well have been utilised to dissipate spoil etc., it was the British 172, 176, 182 and 185 Coy's who officially undertook the work.

visit www.durandgroup.org.uk if you want more info.  Also www.fougassefilms.co.uk provides further info on the history of this