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C7A2 Foregrip?

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Hey everyone...

I'm just a reservist going through BMQ right now but I heard we can buy a foregrip for our rifle's if we choose to for our SQ. I did a quick search at CPGear and Tactowngear but couldn't find one for sale.

Anyone know where one can find one that will fit on the C7A2?
Thanks for the help.
 
You will not buy a C7A2 fore grip of any kind for your pers weapon... firstly you will get destroyed by your course staff on SQ.. Like smoldering burnt hell hole destroyed...
Secondly you do not need gucci kit like that ever throughout your career unless you are get deployed...
Thirdly the C7's/A1's/A2's you have on BMQ, SQ (BMQ-L), Your THREE'S are all temp issued to you by the school your at... You don't get to do that till your posted and you draw the same C7 every time... at your unit

So don't buy a foregrip plz and thanks
 
firstly you will get destroyed by your course staff on SQ.. Like smoldering burnt hell hole destroyed...
:pop:  And you will probably get just as destroyed/laughed at/mocked at your unit if you show up on the first day with stuff to throw on your rifle.  Relax and wait a little while and see what other people are doing before you go out and start buying bonus gucci gear.
 
Tango18A said:
Also when you do require a foregrip, one will be issued to you.

Meh There are many folks who would argue that the issued ones blow and others like 'em.  I would rather he do what Robert said in the post below yours.  Then he can make an informed decision on what gear he should buy and use.

Robert0288 said:
Relax and wait a little while and see what other people are doing before you go out and start buying bonus gucci gear.
 
The OP has been adequately answered, but I wanted to highlight the following:

SixFishSticks said:
Secondly you do not need gucci kit like that ever throughout your career unless you are get deployed...

This is oh so wrong.

I am completely lost as to why some people believe you should train one way (with one kit) and operate another way (with different kit).
 
NinerSix said:
The OP has been adequately answered, but I wanted to highlight the following:

This is oh so wrong.

I am completely lost as to why some people believe you should train one way (with one kit) and operate another way (with different kit).

It is because our military has completely forgotten that training as you fight needs to be supported and defined by fighting as you train.

You will see more of this as we return to training.
 
I am of the personal opinion that the C7A2's should have a vertical Foregrip attached to them as a standard feature...  (Or at the very least the rails should be put onto them so each user has the option... ) I find them to be a forward heavy Weapon, and adding said grip would make it far more comfortable to shoot..

That being said, What everyone already said about your BMQ/SQ/DP1/DP2/Etc... is correct... 

Just because I would like to see a grip on my bangstick does not mean I'm going to go out and put one onto it... (maybe I would own a hand-guard with a rail attached that I could put on for Field ex's etc... Key word is maybe...) But its a fine line bro... The Best tip you got is to wait out... get to your unit and see how the guys and gals there use em, and what they do... 

 
Rider Pride said:
It is because our military has completely forgotten that training as you fight needs to be supported and defined by fighting as you train.

You will see more of this as we return to training.

And that's good. Way good! Here come the caveats though.

Training for a war, not the war. OK, we've done that one here. Good points and bad. No need to really rehash.

We need definable goals, while still being open minded enough to know when things aren't working, when new technology is developing and how to stay ahead of the curve.

We need a command structure that's grounded and open to change. Not simply for change sake, but because it's the right thing to do.

That command structure has to be supported by the schools, so that when things are identified they can be studied and implemented.

The implementation needs to be timely and proactive. Not studied for a couple of years, rolled around the development stages for a couple of more and then come out the other end looking not even remotely what the boots on the ground asked for, or totally out of date already.

Local leaders need to grow a pair and try things different. Try new ideas and not worry about offending some guy 500 miles away or spending a month asking for permission. "Better to beg forgiveness..........and all that.

OWNERSHIP! People have to take ownership of their ideas, do the background and predevelopment stuff, sell the idea, follow it up and make it work! Not pass it to some faceless committee half way across the country, who could care less what you think. We have to cut down on the time from idea to doctrine.

Experience. We have a ton of it after the last 12 years. The problem being, that every group that came back knew the latest and greatest, force fed it until the next group came home and everything changed. We've all seen certain individuals that tried to force unit training because they had just returned, even though they were already 6-12 months out of date.

The Cold War is over. We do a lot of things different, but some things never change. We can't disregard those lessons that have stood us in good stead for the last 40 + years. Old soldiers didn't get that way because they were stupid or outdated.

We have to get past our own egos. Just because you were somewhere that someone else wasn't, doesn't mean that either experience can be discounted. No one is better than the other. Everyone has something to share.

Most of all, we have to work within the system. If you wander the halls, chest puffed out, saying 'Do it this way, because I was there, boy', you'll get nowhere, but ignored. The system exists for a reason(s), not all good I'll grant, but it's there all the same. If you don't understand the system, work within it and make it work for you, your idea is just a subject for talk over beer at the Mess.

We have a shortage of middle leaders. The people for those positions will be pulled from those that may not be ready as they always were. It is incumbent on the senior leaders, nay, every leader no matter the level, to ensure that everyone has the best doctrine, policies and programs that we can possibly afford to giver them.

OK. That's got nothing to do with how you want to hold your rifle.

Or maybe it does ;)
 
My problem with the whole "We need to train for *A* war, not *THE* war" is that when most people say that they mean "we need to train for the cold war, nothing else"

A couple weeks ago I was told by an OC that we don't need to do urban ops any more because it's an Afghanistan thing. He went on further to say that urban ops won't happen in a conventional war. It seems their idea of "a war" is 15km ruck marches and a week of digging in on a field in the training area.

Something I'd like to see is people who lay out our "training" realize that counter insurgency and "policing" duties are a part of modern war. Not every Op will be hard knock/kinetic, and you won't be keeping civilians at >25m away all the time. Most of the skills I required overseas I had to learn overseas, even the generic non-afghanistan like driving as a convoy, urban patrolling, and even marksmanship with my weapon.

I'm not saying we should totally get rid of those conventional scenarios where we line up and interlock fields of fire to fight off waves of fantasians, but let's balance it out with some of the infantry skills that have been required in conflicts over the last 20 years.


Back on to foregrips; find out what works for you first; then if you do decide to go that route, don't go vertical, go angled... sooo much more comfortable. Really though there's been very few times I've wanted to use a foregrip with a C7; it feels awkward. Feels a lot better on a C8.
 
Snaketnk said:
My problem with the whole "We need to train for *A* war, not *THE* war" is that when most people say that they mean "we need to train for the cold war, nothing else"

A couple weeks ago I was told by an OC that we don't need to do urban ops any more because it's an Afghanistan thing. He went on further to say that urban ops won't happen in a conventional war. It seems their idea of "a war" is 15km ruck marches and a week of digging in on a field in the training area.

That's a mindset, on both sides, that has to change. Otherwise, ten years from now 'a war' will mean how we did it in Afghanistan. We have to keep simple, time honoured soldier and team skills, but be able to adapt them to the present (future). It means remaining in a state of flux but staying grounded in what works.

"A war" means being ready to adapt to whatever comes down the pipe, in minimal time, using all the lessons learned from, at least, the Cold War onwards. There is no one 'a war', but a culmination of different conflicts. 'A war' means being prepared for anything, not 'the thing'.
 
I see this thread has become derailed...I originally wanted the grip because on one of our parade nights I got to clean another soldier's rifle who had a vertical foregrip and it felt more natural to hold the rifle that way. I asked one of my BMQ course staff [a Sgt.] if it was possible I could get one for SQ and DP1 and he said it probably wasn't an issue.

At any rate, I realize now it probably isn't the best thing to do for my situation for the time being, so thank you all for that advice. Although at least I can feel better in the fact that I sparked a heated training debate...
 
So I was on a course with some people somewhere. Pay attention to the hand placement displayed by this Motley Crew:
DSC00122.jpg

Myself:
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I still have a front grip on my rifles, mostly for retention, ease of manipulation and to index my hand. I do not use it while engaging targets. (I was a skeptic, but the grip demonstrated by most of us is faster for follow up shot.) I've been wanting to try to get and use a KAC handstop for a while now, just haven't been real motivated in getting one.

So the front grip is useful, but it won't help you shoot better, probably the opposite in fact.

ETA: Free milpoints to whoever figures out what is wrong in this picture.
 
NinerSix said:
So I was on a course with some people somewhere. Pay attention to the hand placement displayed by this Motley Crew:
DSC00122.jpg

Myself:
DSC00172.jpg


ETA: Free milpoints to whoever figures out what is wrong in this picture.

Dude's retention strap on his holster isn't up.

MM
 
medicineman said:
Dude's retention strap on his holster isn't up.

MM

Indeed. I don't remember why I didn't put it up, but it was probably not a very good reason anyways.
 
ETA: Free milpoints to whoever figures out what is wrong in this picture.
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not sure about the holster but the background looks like Chilliwack.
Miss that place!

Chimo!
 
Snaketnk said:
A couple weeks ago I was told by an OC that we don't need to do urban ops any more because it's an Afghanistan thing. He went on further to say that urban ops won't happen in a conventional war.
I'd hazard to say that OC is an idiot (If in fact that is exactly what he said).  Seriously.... to blatantly say we won't be fighting in an urban environment in a conventional waror otherwise is ludricous.

After using a VFG for a number of years, I am glad to have been broken of the habit and for learning far more effective means of controlling and shooting the weapon.  Granted, I still have one on my weapon (just a plain, little KAC jobbie FYI, not the issue CADEX montrousity) but it is more of a landmark for my support hand and I find when on the march and other certain situations gripping the VFG is much less awkward and comfortable.  I can still quickly transition to a "proper" hold however.

I don't care how you spend you're money and I don't care if you're chastised by instructors and fellow coursemates.  If you really want one, and think you can get away with it as a new troop on course (doubtful), buy a little section of bolt on rail, like what's issued for the CADEX grip, and find yourself a decent VFG from One Shot Tactical, Daves or even Brownells.
 
Some of the units at least in Ottawa have foregrips issued with the weapon.
Is this nation wide?
 
multihobbist said:
Some of the units at least in Ottawa have foregrips issued with the weapon.
Is this nation wide?

Most units are getting them now, non-combat arms units with limited quantities.
 
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