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Attack at Glasgow Airport

To hold him, the must have enough, as for the other coward, he is co-operating with the police as I type these words out. I reckon Haneef is rotten, as he told workmates he was off to India to visit his wife and child, and in reality he was on a one way ticket to Indonesia, with no intention of returning, so I smell a rat, a fat, decomposing rat.

Cheers,

Wes
 
Me too. You don't get investigated for terrorism here unless something is very wrong with what you are doing.
 
Two articles that may have been posted in other forums, but applicable here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6613963.stm (May 2007)
"MI5 watch 2,000 terror suspects - The number of terror suspects being monitored by MI5 in the UK has grown by a quarter in the past six months"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/02/25/nterr25.xml (Feb 2007)
"The terrorist threat facing Britain from home-grown al-Qaeda agents is higher than at any time since the September 11 attacks in 2001, secret intelligence documents reveal.... There were 200 known networks involved in at least 30 terrorist plots."

Looks like the boys in the UK will be quite busy for the foreseeable future... 29 plots to go?
 
He better look both ways before crossing the street! Smack!

Person vs bus.


Cheers,

Wes
 
I don’t always, usually or even often agree with Christopher Hitchens but here, reproduced, from Slate.com and today’s National Post under the Fair Dealing provisions (§29) of the Copyright Act, is a comment with which I do agree:

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/issuesideas/story.html?id=87ae77b3-efc6-4b18-9b4d-ea182f2dcb11
A jihad against women

Christopher Hitchens, Slate.com

Published: Wednesday, July 04, 2007

Why on earth do people keep saying, "There but for the grace of God ?"? If matters had been very slightly different over the past weekend, the streets of London and the airport check-in area in Glasgow, Scotland, would have been strewn with charred body parts. And this would have been, according to the would-be perpetrators, because of the grace of God. Whatever our own private theology or theodicy, we might at least agree to take this vile belief seriously.

Instead, almost every other conceivable explanation was canvassed. The June 30 New York Times report managed to quote three people, one of whom attributed the aborted atrocity in London to Tony Blair's foreign policy; one of whom (a New Zealand diplomat, at that) felt "surprisingly all right about it"; and one of whom, described as "a Briton of Indian descent," was worried that "if I walk up that road, they're going to suspect me."

The "they" in this sentence was clearly the British authorities, rather than the Muslim gangsters who have declared open season on all Hindus as well as all Jews, Christians, secularists and other kuffar, or infidel filth.

On the following day, July 1, the same newspaper informed us that Britain contained a "disenfranchised South Asian population." How this was true was never explained. There are several Muslim parliamentarians in both houses, often allowed to make the most absurdly inflammatory and euphemistic statements where acts of criminal violence are concerned, as well as several districts in which the Islamic vote keeps candidates of all parties uneasily aware of what may and may not be said. True, the Muslim extremist groups boycott elections and denounce democracy itself as profane, but this does not really count as disenfranchisement.

Only at the tail end of the coverage was it admitted that a car bomb might have been parked outside a club in Piccadilly because it was "ladies night" and that this explosion might have been designed to lure people into the street, the better to be burned and shredded by the succeeding explosion from the second car-borne cargo of gasoline and nails. We have known since 2004 that a near-identical attack on a club called the Ministry of Sound was proposed in just these terms -- on the grounds that dead "slags" or "sluts" would be regretted by nobody. And so a certain amount of trouble might have been saved by assuming the obvious. The murderers did not just want body parts in general but female body parts in particular.

I suppose that some people might want to shy away from this conclusion for whatever reason, but they cannot have been among the viewers of British Channel 4's recent Undercover Mosque, or among those who watched Sunday's report from Christiane Amanpour on CNN's Special Investigations Unit. On these shows, the British Muslim fanatics came right out with their program. Straight into the camera, leading figures like Anjem Choudary spoke of their love for Osama bin Laden and their explicit rejection of any definition of Islam as a religion of peace. On tape or in person, mullahs in prominent British mosques called for the killing of Indians and Jews.

Liberal reluctance to confront this sheer horror is the result, I think, of a deep reticence about some furtive concept of "race." It is subconsciously assumed that a critique of political Islam is an attack on people with brown skins. One notes in passing that any such concession implicitly denies or negates Islam's claim to be a universal religion. Indeed, some of its own exponents certainly do speak as if they think of it as a tribal property.

And, at any rate, in practice, so it is. The fascistic subculture that has taken root in Britain and that lives by violence and hatred is composed of two main elements. One is a refugee phenomenon, made up of shady exiles from the Middle East and Asia who are exploiting London's traditional hospitality, and one is the projection of an immigrant group that has its origins in a particularly backward and reactionary part of Pakistan.

To the shame-faced white-liberal refusal to confront these facts, one might counterpose a few observations. The first is that we were warned for years of the danger, by Britons also of Asian descent such as Hanif Kureishi, Monica Ali, and Salman Rushdie. They knew what the village mullahs looked like and sounded like, and they said as much.

Not long ago, I was introduced to Nadeem Aslam, whose book Maps for Lost Lovers is highly recommended. He understands the awful price of arranged marriages, dowry, veiling and the other means by which the feudal arrangements of rural Pakistan have been transplanted to parts of London and Yorkshire.

"In some families in my street," he writes to me, "the grandparents, parents, and the children are all first cousins -- it's been going on for generations and so the effects of the inbreeding are quite pronounced by now."

By his estimate and others, a minority of no more than 11% is responsible for more than 70% of the birth defects in Yorkshire. When a leading socialist Member of Parliament, Ann Cryer, drew attention to this appalling state of affairs in her own constituency, she was promptly accused of -- well, you can guess what she was accused of. The dumb word Islamophobia, uncritically employed by Christiane Amanpour in her otherwise powerful documentary, was the least of it. Meanwhile, an extreme, self-destructive clannishness, which is itself "phobic" in respect to all outsiders, becomes the constituency for the preachings of a cult of death. I mention this because, if there is an "ethnic" dimension to the Islamist question, then in this case at least it is the responsibility of the Islamists themselves.

The most noticeable thing about all theocracies is their sexual repression and their directly related determination to exert absolute control over women. In Britain, in the 21st century, there are now honour killings, forced marriages, clerically mandated wife-beatings, incest in all but name and the adoption of apparel for females that one cannot be sure is chosen by them but which is claimed as an issue of (of all things) free expression.

This would be bad enough on its own and if it were confined to the Muslim "community" alone. But, of course, such a toxin cannot be confined, and the votaries of theocracy now claim the God-given right to slaughter females at random for nothing more than their perceived immodesty. The least we can do, confronted by such radical evil, is to look it in the eye (something it strives to avoid) and call it by its right name. For a start, it is the female victims of this tyranny who are "disenfranchised," while something rather worse than "disenfranchisement" awaits those who dare to disagree.

© National Post 2007

For me this is the key: ” One notes in passing that any such concession implicitly denies or negates Islam's claim to be a universal religion. Indeed, some of its own exponents certainly do speak as if they think of it as a tribal property.”

The ”fascistic subculture” which has transported ”arranged marriages, dowry, veiling and the other means by which the feudal arrangements” are enforced from the Middle East and West/Central Asia to the West means that we are now, in the 21st century, ‘home’ to ”honour killings, forced marriages, clerically mandated wife-beatings, incest in all but name and the adoption of apparel for females that one cannot be sure is chosen by them but which is claimed as an issue of (of all things) free expression.”

Culture matters.

I know I’m beating a drum but I think it’s an important one.
 
I had read Hitchens' piece earlier this morning. It is unfortunate that he often comes across as an opinionated jerk, for he cuts to the heart of the matter.

This time, I believe, he is using the distaste the radicalized Islamists feels for Western women to point out their abhorrence of Western society as a whole. They could have as easily targeted a gay bar or the Salvation Army, Knights of Columbus or Masons, It is fortunate that they do not have the superiority in weapons, technology and organization that Cortez, Pizarro et al enjoyed over the Indians of Central and South America, or we would be up the proverbial creek without a paddle.

What will eventually save us is that the Islamists are so radically out of step with both the West and the East. They are not even in an unchallenged position of power in their own sphere, the Islamic Crescent, and may even face becoming pariahs in large chunks of it.

As an aside, when I saw the twin towers come down, my overwhelming emotion/thought was not anger or sorrow or fear, it was, "I wouldn't want to be in the shoes of whoever organized this." That is why terrorism will fail when used as a weapon against an external state and culture - it may frighten people, but ultimately it does not cow them into submission.
 
Outstanding op-ed.

I have to add, considering the un-PC nature of the op-ed, I'm even more please that the National Post had the stones to run the piece in its entirety.



Matthew.  :salute:
 
The goal of the islamists is global domination.Today their method is asymetrical warfare. Once they have access to nuclear weapons they will accelerate their timetable. If AQ/Taliban can take the Pakistani government and Iran is able to gain nuclear weapons ,then we will see the struggle against the islamists enter a very dangerous realm. Terrorist proxies will use nuclear weapons against their enemies and it will be very difficult to respond as they are stateless entities. Right now the enemy uses car bombs and suicide bombers but the future is nuclear weapons. A 20kt device planted in a row house is the future - a bleak future to be sure.
 
tomahawk6 said:
The goal of the islamists is global domination.Today their method is asymetrical warfare. Once they have access to nuclear weapons they will accelerate their timetable. If AQ/Taliban can take the Pakistani government and Iran is able to gain nuclear weapons ,then we will see the struggle against the islamists enter a very dangerous realm. Terrorist proxies will use nuclear weapons against their enemies and it will be very difficult to respond as they are stateless entities. Right now the enemy uses car bombs and suicide bombers but the future is nuclear weapons. A 20kt device planted in a row house is the future - a bleak future to be sure.

I agree, terrorist nukes are the future – and not a distant future, either.

As Old Sweat said, the West will not be cowed into submission.  Bigger, tougher, bloodier Afghanistans will result.  No African, Arab, Persian or West/Central Asian state is beyond attack if (when) we determine that it aided and abetted terrorist who hit us with a nuke.

I maintain that our strategic objective should, still, be to turn the Islamists back in, upon themselves.  Iraq’s decline into chaos and civil war may, actually, help.  The chaos in Iraq can and should spread across the region and throughout much (not all) of the Muslim world – my old friend the ‘new’ Thirty Years War (followed by reformations and enlightenments) being the highly desirable end result.

But, in the interim, until we can turn Arab on Arab and Arab on Persian and Shia on Sunni and so on, they (bin Laden, et al) will continue to escalate their attacks on us – crossing the nuclear threshold as soon as venal, corrupt, mischief making Pakistanis or Russians (more likely both) put the tools in their hands.  Our response will be ‘awesome’ and ‘awful,’  indeed!
 
Our response will be ‘awesome’ and ‘awful,’  indeed!

There was a time that I believed that. However the left would not permit the use of nuclear weapons even in retaliation. The alliance between the left and the jihadists is probably the most disconcerting to me. Today's left were yesterdays communists and their goal is unchanged - the defeat of the west.
 
tomahawk6 said:
There was a time that I believed that. However the left would not permit the use of nuclear weapons even in retaliation. The alliance between the left and the jihadists is probably the most disconcerting to me. Today's left were yesterdays communists and their goal is unchanged - the defeat of the west.

Don't be too sure.  A Democrat, any Democrat, in the White House is not going to be 'soft' if America is attacked with a nuke.

But, Australia, Britain or Canada?  Well, that may be another matter.

How about France, Germany, Italy or Spain?  What if one of them is the target?  Would America, even George W Bush's America, retaliate in kind?  That's when I'm guessing you're right.  If the Eiffel Tower or El Escorial is vapourized then nuclear retaliation will, likely, be off the table.
 
There are a couple of things that muddies the waters of nuke retaliation. First, the Brits and the French are still nuclear powers, although the former might possibly give theirs up. (There are others, of course, but these are the main players with the US in the case of an attack on the west.

Second, the American options are limited because of the standing down of (much of?) their tactical devices. I suspect they still have some low yield surprises up their sleeves; whether any president would employ them in retaliation to an attack on a western state very much depends on the circumstances. Certainly big nukes, to use a technical term, would require major provocation. The worst thing any administration could do would be to state that any nuclear attack on an ally would lead to retaliation in kind, and then go wobbly and either renege or fire one into an uninhabited area.
 
Britain to expand checks on immigrants, doctors
Updated Wed. Jul. 4 2007 9:41 AM ET
CTV.ca News Staff

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070704/UK_terror_070704/20070704?hub=TopStories


British Prime Minister Gordon Brown has ordered a review of the recruitment of foreign health service staff after all of the eight people arrested in last week's foiled bomb plots were found to have links to the medical profession.

"I have asked ... the new terrorism minister to conduct an immediate review as to what arrangements we must make in relation to recruitment to the NHS (National Health Service)," Brown told parliament on Wednesday.

In Britain, nearly 40 per cent of doctors are foreign trained.

Brown also said Wednesday that he's also ordered expanded checks on immigrants taking skilled jobs in Britain.

Officials believe they have apprehended all of the main suspects involved in two failed car bomb plots in London last Friday and another botched attack on Glasgow Airport Saturday, in which two men tried to drive a flaming SUV into a terminal.

In total, eight suspects have been arrested -- all having been employed by Britain's National Health Service. Some had worked at hospitals in England and Scotland.

British police have also confirmed that some of the suspects have appeared in intelligence databases used to track radical Islamists.

Authorities are now suggesting that the plot was developed by the group while in Britain, not overseas.

Meanwhile, British police are investigating the possibility that the same two men who left car bombs in London also drove the SUV into the airport in Glasgow the next day.

The suspects

Six of the eight suspects are currently being held in London while a seventh man, arrested in Scotland after the Glasgow attack, is critically ill in hospital with severe burns.

The eighth man is an Indian Muslim doctor, Mohammed Haneef, who was arrested in Australia.

Australian officials arrested Haneef Monday as he tried to board a flight with a one-way ticket out of the country. Officials say Haneef was a foreign doctor, born in India but recruited to Australia from Liverpool, England.

Haneef worked at the same hospital in England as another man arrested in the case -- a 26-year-old who hasn't been named yet.

Halton Hospital spokesman Mark Shone said Tuesday that Haneef worked at the facility in 2005 as a temporary, on-call doctor.

Shone confirmed that the 26-year-old man arrested Saturday in Liverpool had also worked at the hospital. He would not provide the man's name.

Bilal Abdulla, the Iraqi-born doctor arrested at the scene of the Glasgow incident, is reportedly friends with Mohammed Jamil Abdelqader Asha, a Jordan-born physician who had been working near Newcastle-on-Lyme.

Asha and his wife, a hospital laboratory researcher, were arrested Saturday on a highway in northern England.

Abdulla worked at the Royal Alexandra Hospital near Glasgow. Khalid Ahmed, a Lebanese doctor, is alleged to be the SUV's driver and remains in hospital with burns.

Two men aged 25 and 28 arrested Sunday at residences at the hospital were identified as a junior doctor and medical student.

With a report from CTV's Jed Kahane and files from the Associated Press
 
Our response will be ‘awesome’ and ‘awful,’  indeed!

No doubt........ at all.

There was a time that I believed that. However the left would not permit the use of nuclear weapons even in retaliation. The alliance between the left and the jihadists is probably the most disconcerting to me. Today's left were yesterdays communists and their goal is unchanged - the defeat of the west.

The left has a way of becoming irrelevant.
On the day of 9-11, I knew Saddam would soon be gone.
My only surprize was how long it would take.

If things got radiological - the fear factor would return.
Irans' mullahs would never again be able to breath unfiltered air.







 
From his article "A jihad against women" (Christopher Hitchens, Slate.com, Wednesday, July 04, 2007)

"tribal" -  "backward" - "reactionary" - "feudal"

I like how, for a change, some accurate words are being used to desribe the actions of people with this kind of thinking...




 
ERC wrote "The West will not be cowed"I am not sure this is true, I believe
that large portions are already cowed and the rest are so blinded by the anti
American rheotoric on finds everywhere in the Western media that they are
subconsciously support the terrorists,as long as the bombs dont go off in
in their own backyards.After all what is the reason George Bush and Tony Blair
hated so much?,because they acted robustly to a perceived terrorist threat
to their countries.I cannot see the majority of European countries changing their
appeasing policies,but what I can see is a Fortress America attitude growing
in the USA and for Canada to snuggle up safe within the walls will require
a huge attitude change on the part of a large portion of our population.
By the way Mr Brown has also just told his Ministers to refrain from refering
to terrorists as Muslim terrorists and is giving up the authority to send the
British Forces into action and giving it up to Parliment,this means that as
long as New Labour is in power British troops will probably not fight again
unless the Taliban show up in Calais.
                                  Regards
 
Please excuse the spelling errors in the above post ,as I hit the post button
in the middle of my spell check.
                                        Regards
 
time expired said:
Please excuse the spelling errors in the above post ,as I hit the post button
in the middle of my spell check.
                                        Regards

BTDT....found you could hit modify and then run spellcheck....thank god!!
 
I think the dislike for the current Pres. Bush is based on a bit more than just acting 'robustly'...

 
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