Blackadder1916 said:DND is the top federal organization in terms of number of buildings and square footage; it's only third in land area - Parks Canada and Environment Canada have them beat. But still, the military is not a slouch when it comes to real estate holdings.
Granted most of that is used in support of full-time activities, but what about some of the expenses such as payment in lieu of taxation (PILT) for facilities used primarily in support of "part-time soldering". I suppose I could have gone property by property to figure out DND's share of the $562,157,133.62 that the Canadian government shelled out in 2019 for PILT. However, I'll limit myself to a few examples, such as here in Calgary where the 2019 PILT expense for Mewata Armoury was $312,928.36, HMCS Tecumsah was $158,115.81, and the remaining Currie Barracks footprint comes in at $227,433.73; I don't know if the armoury in the NE is still being used but the City of Calgary received $147,765.61 from DND's budget in 2019.
It would be nice to have the wide open space of a re-purposed mall or similar commercial/industrial structure (I think that was the background of the armoury in NE Calgary) but how much of it would actually be "efficiently" utilized for one evening a week and one or two weekends a month for nine or ten months a year. There's a not insignificant cost to that footprint.
CBH99 said:Can someone explain just in brief terms why DND is paying various municipalities and such, these payments?
Aren't the buildings already bought/paid for out of DND budget?
dapaterson said:"Normal" buildings would pay property taxes to support municipal infrastructure and services. Federal government properties do not; they make "payments in lieu of taxes" or PILT instead.
FJAG said:I've known that for decades but what I never knew was why we do. I can't see a constitutional requirement, and in fact s 125 basically exempts the Feds from taxes levied by the municipalities and provinces.
I know that there is a Fed Payment in Lieu of Taxes Act which makes it discretionary for the Minister of PWGS to make such payments but have no idea why we enacted it in the first place. The US has a similar program.
I presume this is one of those things we started doing after a lot of lobbying by provincial governments. I guess that's what happens when you're not spending your own money's, but the taxpayors. You become pretty free passing it around. All that said with the full realization that if the local authority didn't receive PILT from the Feds, they'd make up for the shortfall with a direct taxation on the local taxpayors. Just strikes me as a shell game though.
And relationships with communities would suffer.MilEME09 said:Sounds like a line item the department could easily cut to out money to more important things.
MilEME09 said:Sounds like a line item the department could easily cut to out money to more important things.
dapaterson said:And relationships with communities would suffer.
Defence infra expenditures are more tied to construction than maintenance or PILT. Savings would be minor to result in major disruptions (not only DND/CAF, but also other departments).
MilEME09 said:Bring a reserve unit as a whole to full time service would require a monumental legislative change, one the next CDS would have to really push for if they want to go down that path.
Brihard said:I'll bite. Why? Is there anything required that cannot already be proclaimed via Order in Council?
I mean, second order effects like job protection and such, sure. But calling up reservists to do military stuff is already provided for in legislation, no?
MilEME09 said:"Over the past five years, the Canadian Armed Forces (CAF) has seen a 1,000 percent increase in Operation Lentus taskings. One option under consideration is bringing the Reserves onto full-time service for specific periods each year. The Army is also seeing how it can make the best use of full-time summer employment. “We are still exploring that space,” said Eyre."
Bring a reserve unit as a whole to full time service would require a monumental legislative change, one the next CDS would have to really push for if they want to go down that path.
MilEME09 said:If they want to do it regularly then the most efficient means would be to allow it without an OIC, outside a OIC the PRes is only authorized 60 Class A and 10 Class B days per year. Plus secondary job protect which I would hope would be at the federal level and cover all of Canada, instead of the patchwork Canada currently has.
MilEME09 said:Open question: With the pandemic causing reservists to be called up more, on top of OP lentus tasks, Reservists are becoming more important and in the spot light more. As a result I wonder if this will create a push for reorg or create legislative changes.
IMHO, if 10 years of AFG and the insanely busy fire fighting years (2017-18) haven't done that already, it will never happen.
MilEME09 said:AFG wasn't in their own backyards though. Peoples mind sets tend to change when your response to a crisis can effect your reelection.