2022 CPC Leadership Discussion: Et tu Redeux

[Eaglelord17]

Fixed. You just described money.

Except it is at least backed by the government and they have rules around it. A currency backed by nothing, is literally nothing at the behest of some random who in many cases isn't even known. Very logical thought process, replacing a fiat currency backed by a nation state for a fiat currency backed by no one in the hopes of being able to exchange it back to a fiat currency backed by a nation state at a higher amount later. Go buy bullion or other physical items if your that concerned about the state of the dollar.

 

[IKnowNothing]

Except it is at least backed by the government and they have rules around it. A currency backed by nothing, is literally nothing at the behest of some random who in many cases isn't even known. Very logical thought process, replacing a fiat currency backed by a nation state for a fiat currency backed by no one in the hopes of being able to exchange it back to a fiat currency backed by a nation state at a higher amount later. Go buy bullion or other physical items if your that concerned about the state of the dollar.

I added to my previous reply, but too late. To reply to this-

What value does bullion have outside of the collective belief that it's worth something?
3% of it is used for industrial purposes, 78% in jewelry, 19% in Bullion/reserve. What's the environmental impact of the continued pursuit of shiny rocks?

 

[Navy_Pete]

I added to my previous reply, but too late. To reply to this-

What value does bullion have outside of the collective belief that it's worth something?
3% of it is used for industrial purposes, 78% in jewelry, 19% in Bullion/reserve. What's the environmental impact of the continued pursuit of shiny rocks?

Nothing has any real inherent value, other than what people are willing to exchange for it.

Gold is shiny and pretty, but at least it does have some useful purpose (even if that's just looking pretty, but there is gold in a lot of electronics, and it's also used in a variety of other useful things, like prepping samples for of scanning electron microscopes.) A bitcoin is a collection of digital data, and on it's own does nothing. For the most part, you still need to exchange it for a real currency somewhere to actually spend it, so it's a bit like a stock tied to absolutely nothing but faith.

I'm a lot more confident in the backing of a fiat currency from a country, which at least has physical assets, resources etc. Bitcoins have literrally nothing but belief behind them, and come with a massive environmental cost.

 

[Brad Sallows]

A currency backed by nothing, is literally nothing at the behest of some random who in many cases isn't even known.

There's always bills of credit. All that's needed is a network of bankers whose credit is good with each other.

 

[dimsum]

I guess this fits best here:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/charest-military-spending-1.6407683

I see a bunch of his promises and ask myself "how the hell are they planning to get enough people to do this?" And how is his govt going to turn the corner on the sexual misconduct file and make the CAF a more welcoming work environment?

Also, I'm sure being posted to one of the two new Arctic bases is #1 on everyone's geo location sheet

 

[GK .Dundas]

I'm sure you'll have the time of your life!

 

[Navy_Pete]

@dimsum sounds like it will be crowded, that where I suspect I'll be next!

Some of the items on the list are things that could potentially help with both retention and recruitment, without really requiring additional resources to buy/operate things.

If we could get a whack of people interested in a short stint knowing they can get access to retraining/cheap loans etc really couldn't hurt our existing recruitment numbers, but I guess I'm also not really confident our training system can surge much, so being more open to taking civilian qualifications off the street and doing some compressed OJT might help as well. Crazy to me that we'll take in red seal machinists, mechanics etc and not give them equivalents to some basic specialist courses so they can put those skills to use in postings.

 

[TacticalTea]

I guess this fits best here:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/charest-military-spending-1.6407683

I see a bunch of his promises and ask myself "how the hell are they planning to get enough people to do this?" And how is his govt going to turn the corner on the sexual misconduct file and make the CAF a more welcoming work environment?

Also, I'm sure being posted to one of the two new Arctic bases is #1 on everyone's geo location sheet

Honestly, clean up NDHQ (deflate the number of GOFOs), reduce Op Tempo, and put more money in HR.

That'll get you better retention, more recruitment, and send the message that the high command isn't self-aggrandizing anymore. Job done.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Honestly, clean up NDHQ (deflate the number of GOFOs), reduce Op Tempo, and put more money in HR.

That'll get you better retention, more recruitment, and send the message that the high command isn't self-aggrandizing anymore. Job done.

Can we get rid of the CWO corps as well and send things back the way we're before West and his grand scheme tore it all apart ?

 

[dimsum]

Can we get rid of the CWO corps as well and send things back the way we're before West and his grand scheme tore it all apart ?

What was the way before? What did West do?

 

[OldSolduer]

What was the way before? What did West do?

I'd like to know as well.

 

[Halifax Tar]

What was the way before? What did West do?

I'd like to know as well.

I actually had this typed in the reply box... Must have missed the post button.

So this is it now:

Chief Petty Officer 1st Class / Chief Warrant Officer Corps The Heartbeat of the CAF

All Reg F/Res F CPO1/CWOs are now under one strategic occupation called the “CPO1/CWO CORPS (Military Occupation Structure Identification 00381).”

www.canada.ca

So basically revert back pre SEMs.

 

[Haggis]

So this is it now:

Chief Petty Officer 1st Class / Chief Warrant Officer Corps The Heartbeat of the CAF

All Reg F/Res F CPO1/CWOs are now under one strategic occupation called the “CPO1/CWO CORPS (Military Occupation Structure Identification 00381).”

www.canada.ca

Interesting...

Back in 2010 I did a study of all Reg F and P Res CPO1/CWO positions as part of a rationalization initiative. I no longer have those stats at hand but I recall a number of 591. SEM has been good for growth of the occupation. Whether that growth was needed is another issue.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Interesting...

Back in 2010 I did a study of all Reg F and P Res CPO1/CWO positions as part of a rationalization initiative. I no longer have those stats at hand but I recall a number of 591. SEM has been good for growth of the occupation. Whether that growth was needed is another issue.

The numbers I've seen to would disagree with you. The numbers of the "occupation" are in the 400 neighborhood.

It's effect has not been evenly spread across the institution no have the opportunities.

 

[Haggis]

The numbers I've seen to would disagree with you. The numbers of the "occupation" are in the 400 neighborhood.

It's effect has not been evenly spread across the institution no have the opportunities.

Remember, I did this study in 2010. I CFR'd in 2015 and retired in 2018 so my contact with the CWO world is fading in the rearview mirror.

There were, as I recall, 591 CPO1/CWOs. Not all were in CPO1/CWO positions. There were, I believe, almost three dozen Chiefs in over/under ranked positions, which was part of the problem. This was at the time when the P Res was attempting to create more SA/KP, mostly in the Army, but the CFCWO (Cleroux, I think) wanted to get a better grip on the population as a whole before these positions went forward for approval. Overlay PRECS on top of this and there was an appetite for culling the herd.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Remember, I did this study in 2010. I CFR'd in 2015 and retired in 2018 so my contact with the CWO world is fading in the rearview mirror.

There were, as I recall, 591 CPO1/CWOs. Not all were in CPO1/CWO positions. There were, I believe, almost three dozen Chiefs in over/under ranked positions, which was part of the problem. This was at the time when the P Res was attempting to create more SA/KP, mostly in the Army, but the CFCWO (Cleroux, I think) wanted to get a better grip on the population as a whole before these positions went forward for approval. Overlay PRECS on top of this and there was an appetite for culling the herd.

No arguments from me, just conversing.

Not disagreeing that some adjustments needed to be made. But the methodology and application used was a one size fits a few kind of thing.

I think restructuring needed to be to done to the role and added emphasis of the MWO and WO as well to accompany the move to make the CWO rank an occupation.

 

[TacticalTea]

MSN

Charest, on ease of business, national security.

 

[brihard]

MSN

Charest, on ease of business, national security.

Theatre. Such blockades already constitute criminal offences; Mischief being the most easily applied one. Police don’t need court orders to clear out such protests. The choice to wait for one in recent cases was a political decision, not a legal necessity. The only bit of this law that would address an actual thing that existing law doesn’t already cover would be the stripping of charitable status for tax purposes.

 

[Good2Golf]

Theatre. Such blockades already constitute criminal offences; Mischief being the most easily applied one. Police don’t need court orders to clear out such protests. The choice to wait for one in recent cases was a political decision, not a legal necessity. The only bit of this law that would address an actual thing that existing law doesn’t already cover would be the stripping of charitable status for tax purposes.

Even if pretty much everyone knows that existing laws…properly used/enforced…would address such situations, if there’s a consolidating/focused legislation package that splits the difference between “not using existing law” and “going full EA-tard,” I suspect many will see that as a decent mid-point solution to addressing the extremes of inaction/ultimate action.

 

[TacticalTea]

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