18 Nov 10 - CF-18 Down in Cold Lake; Pilot Ejected & Found

[NovaScotiaNewfie]

Would the TSB, NAVCanada and the RCMP have any part of investigation into the crash or just the CF?

 

[Strike]

Would the TSB, NAVCanada and the RCMP have any part of investigation into the crash or just the CF?

They would have a small part to play if it happened on civvie land, but DFS's mandate follows all those mentioned above so they are pretty much permitted to carry out their investigations on their own.

 

[Strike]

Just so everyone is aware, the A-GA-135-001/AA-001 Flight Safety for the Canadian Forces manual states:

To prevent impending the investigation and to avoid premature or incorrect conclusions, the following shall not be released:
- Privileged information, such as witness statements, related evidence and all flight recorder information;
- Statements that tend to indicate responsibility of the Crown or any person;
- Statements that imply failure of equipment or facilities;
- Premature speculation that could jeopardize the conduct of the investigation;
- Statements on causes to civilians, including news media representatives.

Note that this list is not the complete one, just the points that pertain to this thread.

 

[NavyShooter]

Strike,

Glad to see facts stated rather than "opinions" spouted.

As previously mentioned, glad to hear the pilot was able to walk away from this, and while it's a shame to lose an airplane, at least it was only the airplane that was lost.

NS

 

[Bass ackwards]

Thank you, Zoomie and Max, for the information.

 

[gun runner]

C'mon people(gov't types C1A1), these planes are getting on 30 years old ok? lets et some new ones already! My :2c:!

 

[ammocat]

At what point would EOD personnel become involved in this situation? Luckily, in this case the pilot ejected safely. However, in the event the ejection was not successful or the pilot was unable to eject, could search and rescue personnel be put in harms way by being exposed to explosive hazards while trying to recover the pilot? Is EOD involved in the search and rescue to clear explosive hazards to facilitate a safe recovery?

 

[PuckChaser]

Is EOD involved in the search and rescue to clear explosive hazards to facilitate a safe recovery?

That seems to make the most sense. To me, if EOD was involved then perhaps there was live ordinance on the aircraft that may have been damaged in the crash, or jettisoned prior to the crash that needs to be cleared for both the SAR effort and to return the area to normal.

 

[Journeyman]

Is EOD involved in the search and rescue to clear explosive hazards to facilitate a safe recovery?

SAR, which in this scenario, has the finding and recovery of the pilot as its sole purpose, does not include EOD. Aircraft recovery is a separate business.

While theoretically the SAR Tech(s) may be exposed to risks where an EOD tech would be handy, it's just one more hazard involved in a rescue. Rescues are often time-sensitive, and there are weight/crew number factors with most SAR aircraft, so it's a risk that's been weighed but deemed not critical.

Various technical experts, including EOD, can be involved in the recovery depending on aircraft type. Before that, the DFS investigators would likely [out of my lane here] seek supporting expertise -- there are plenty of things on a military aircraft that can ruin your day besides ordinance.

 

[Scott]

Thread has been purged.

Read Strike's info above about posting info about an active and ongoing investigation. Anyone coming remotely close to doing so will be banned.

Simple.

Staff